oooooorrrr i could be an underking or ARCHLICH OF NAXXRAMAS, ESTEEMED LICH LORD OF THE PLAGUELANDS, COMMANDER OF THE DREAD NECROPOLIS, MASTER AND FOUNDER OF THE CULT OF THE DAMNED, FORMERLY OF THE COUNCIL OF THE SIX, CREATOR OF THE ABOMINATION, SUMMONER OF ARCHIMONDE THE DEFILER, BETRAYER OF HUMANITY, HEARTHSTONE ENTHUSIAST, AND MAJORDOMO TO THE LICH KING HIMSELF
the choice is clear
dragons are a comfortably near the top though
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oooooorrrr i could be an underking or ARCHLICH OF NAXXRAMAS, ESTEEMED LICH LORD OF THE PLAGUELANDS, COMMANDER OF THE DREAD NECROPOLIS, MASTER AND FOUNDER OF THE CULT OF THE DAMNED, FORMERLY OF THE COUNCIL OF THE SIX, CREATOR OF THE ABOMINATION, SUMMONER OF ARCHIMONDE THE DEFILER, BETRAYER OF HUMANITY, HEARTHSTONE ENTHUSIAST, AND MAJORDOMO TO THE LICH KING HIMSELF
the choice is clear
dragons are a comfortably near the top though
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Alexstraza, Aspect of Life, Queen of the Dragons, and The Life-Binder.
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One adventury girl
does the adventury girl get time to prepare?
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Okay. I think I figured out KTZ. The trick is to not watch the fireworks. That's how you KTZ. I still have a ways to go to mastering the chains, but I think he'll be my next unlock.
Li Li would absolutely waffle-stomp Alextrasza 1v1 in game.
Not 100% sure. Comparing at level 10, Alex with about 2500 HP does about 200 dps between AAs and hitting flame buffet every time, and heals an average of 31 dps (500 ever 16 seconds with her W). This is assuming Alex doesn't take Fire Within, in which case she heals an additional 250 hp every 2 seconds. I'm assuming she hits every skill shot, of course. Her dragon form does about 200 DPS just with AAs ( which means that Li Li blocks 400 damage with a blind), and gives her an extra 500 hp and resets her W cooldown so she can heal 900 hp within 3 seconds of going to dragon form.
Li Li with about 2200 hp does 150 dps using AA, W, and E together, can mitigate 200 points of Alex's damage every 12 seconds with blind bringing Alex's dps down to 184, and she can heal about 70 DPS.
Now once we bring ults into the picture things do change a little as Li Li can heal 2400 hp over 6 seconds but does no damage during that time, so Alex will do 1200 damage to her. Meanwhile Cleansing flame does about 200dps, and makes her unhittable for 6 seconds mitigating 900 points of damage from Li Li.
I'd be curious to do a custom game to test it out.
Li Li would absolutely waffle-stomp Alextrasza 1v1 in game.
Not 100% sure. Comparing at level 10, Alex with about 2500 HP does about 200 dps between AAs and hitting flame buffet every time, and heals an average of 31 dps (500 ever 16 seconds with her W). This is assuming Alex doesn't take Fire Within, in which case she heals an additional 250 hp every 2 seconds. I'm assuming she hits every skill shot, of course. Her dragon form does about 200 DPS just with AAs ( which means that Li Li blocks 400 damage with a blind), and gives her an extra 500 hp and resets her W cooldown so she can heal 900 hp within 3 seconds of going to dragon form.
Li Li with about 2200 hp does 150 dps using AA, W, and E together, can mitigate 200 points of Alex's damage every 12 seconds with blind bringing Alex's dps down to 184, and she can heal about 70 DPS.
Now once we bring ults into the picture things do change a little as Li Li can heal 2400 hp over 6 seconds but does no damage during that time, so Alex will do 1200 damage to her. Meanwhile Cleansing flame does about 200dps, and makes her unhittable for 6 seconds mitigating 900 points of damage from Li Li.
I'd be curious to do a custom game to test it out.
Assuming 100% hit rate on Flame Buffet is really generous, though. What's more realistic? 75%? 50%? Remember that Li Li can play at max range without missing her abilities (they auto-target Alex), is doing nothing but specifically trying to dodge Flame Buffet, and that she gains bonus movement speed when she's hit.
That 1v1 is basically can lili dodge the 2nd hit, of e because flame buffet dot gives her 6 seconds of kung fu hustle which is crazy, but 2nd hit heals Alex.
Couple of other points I want to point out re: Li Li vs Alextrasza 1v1 Final Destination:
We're comparing these heroes at level 10, right? We can assume that Li Li will have 100% up-time on her trait, since she'll be getting AA'd and hit by Flame Buffet regularly, meaning Eager Adventurer at level 1 will grant her effectively infinite mana. Serpent Sidekick at 4 will also get maximum benefit, since it will always hit Alexstrasza. Li Li has no reason to take Cleanse in this match-up, and because we're talking 1v1, she'll gain no benefit from Lightning Serpent, making Good Stuff the default pickup. Because we can safely assume 100% up-time on Fast Feet, you have to factor in not only the constant HoT element from Good Stuff, but at +100% bonus from her trait.
Additionally, just remember to keep in mind that Li Li literally cannot miss Alexstrasza, since all of her abilities auto-target. The same can't really be said of Alexstrasza, right? Like I said before, Li Li will be playing at range, will be doing nothing but actively trying to dodge Flame Buffet since her abilities will land on Alex automatically, and she'll have permanent up-time on the bonus movement speed provided by Fast Feet, making her that much harder to skill-shot. Oh, and a not-insignificant percentage of Alex's auto-attacks will miss due to Blinding Wind.
But let's be generous and assume that Alexstrasza lands Flame Buffet 75% of the time.
The only talent path that makes any sense in this scenario for Alex is full Flame Buffet (Flames of Fury, Heat Exhaustion, Fire Within). Remember that Gift of Life does literally nothing because she can't heal herself with it. Abundance will get value, but it's on a 16-second cooldown, so Alexstrasza's only reliable healing in this scenario comes from landing Flame Buffet consistently on Li Li. Admittedly, the massive slow from Heat Exhaustion works well to counter Li Li's innate movement speed), but I still think that 75% accuracy on Flame Buffet is being pretty generous, just assuming natural human reaction time and error (we can't rightly assume miss-rates from Li Li because she can't miss).
I think it's in Li Li's favor big-time, personally.
That 1v1 is basically can lili dodge the 2nd hit, of e because flame buffet dot gives her 6 seconds of kung fu hustle which is crazy, but 2nd hit heals Alex.
You can get off two flames after setting someone on fire before they go out.
The lili v Alex would require an objective or confined choke to fight in. If lili can wonder in and out at max range is one case, if it's trying to control a point where Alex e gets easier to maintain its another.
That Alex had some really good Cleansing Fire's too. Which also didn't help. And I shouldn't have taken Dragon Blade, not sure I got any kills with it. I'm just not good with that ult. My bad. But hey, we were winning before 16 at least.
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That Alex had some really good Cleansing Fire's too. Which also didn't help. And I shouldn't have taken Dragon Blade, not sure I got any kills with it. I'm just not good with that ult. My bad. But hey, we were winning before 16 at least.
meh, x strike might have saved you a couple times, but we'd have just lost a few minutes later most likely. just an unfortunate comp to go into a cho gall, once they got 16 we could only win a fight if they threw hard.
cho gall is silly like that.
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I know Cho'gall is always a pain, but I at least hope you went shuriken build against him.
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Follow up game has our Junkrat getting flipped by Garrosh as soon as he hits the middle lane and instantly deleted. He says, "That's it, I'm done." and proceeds to sit at our Giant Camp and shoot a round into them every few seconds. Seriously, wtf is wrong with people?
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I found out the hard way that Samuro's Way of the Wind level 1 quest isn't working. End of the game, not a single ping towards completing the quest. Nice.
Follow up game has our Junkrat getting flipped by Garrosh as soon as he hits the middle lane and instantly deleted. He says, "That's it, I'm done." and proceeds to sit at our Giant Camp and shoot a round into them every few seconds. Seriously, wtf is wrong with people?
That one sounds to me like a case of not knowing when you've had enough frustration that you're better off walking away.
But generally? They don't care that they're wasting other people's time like that, since they don't have to see you in person.
I know Cho'gall is always a pain, but I at least hope you went shuriken build against him.
Yeah, I did. I mean, I had like 8 or 9 kills I think, got Cho'Gall once behind a wall, like I said, we were winning until 16 and we just couldn't teamfight anymore after that like Knight said.
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I found out the hard way that Samuro's Way of the Wind level 1 quest isn't working. End of the game, not a single ping towards completing the quest. Nice.
Follow up game has our Junkrat getting flipped by Garrosh as soon as he hits the middle lane and instantly deleted. He says, "That's it, I'm done." and proceeds to sit at our Giant Camp and shoot a round into them every few seconds. Seriously, wtf is wrong with people?
Harsh Winds (attacking from stealth = 30% more damage) at 16 is similarly bugged. Both only count if you attack during the initial "Unrevealable" portion of stealthing.
I found out the hard way that Samuro's Way of the Wind level 1 quest isn't working. End of the game, not a single ping towards completing the quest. Nice.
Follow up game has our Junkrat getting flipped by Garrosh as soon as he hits the middle lane and instantly deleted. He says, "That's it, I'm done." and proceeds to sit at our Giant Camp and shoot a round into them every few seconds. Seriously, wtf is wrong with people?
Harsh Winds (attacking from stealth = 30% more damage) at 16 is similarly bugged. Both only count if you attack during the initial "Unrevealable" portion of stealthing.
Hopefully the patch this week fixes those since Samuro is getting extra attention and a lot of his talents are changing anyway. I'm less optimistic about Rexxar's bug being fixed since I don't think he's being touched by the patch.
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I need to play more Samuro in my life. He’s and I’m getting better at the macro play. Really fun ganking squishies too.
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Alexstraza, Aspect of Life, Queen of the Dragons, and The Life-Binder.
Or
One adventury girl
Does the adventures girl commune with squirrels?
does the adventury girl get time to prepare?
She's always ready for adventure
Not 100% sure. Comparing at level 10, Alex with about 2500 HP does about 200 dps between AAs and hitting flame buffet every time, and heals an average of 31 dps (500 ever 16 seconds with her W). This is assuming Alex doesn't take Fire Within, in which case she heals an additional 250 hp every 2 seconds. I'm assuming she hits every skill shot, of course. Her dragon form does about 200 DPS just with AAs ( which means that Li Li blocks 400 damage with a blind), and gives her an extra 500 hp and resets her W cooldown so she can heal 900 hp within 3 seconds of going to dragon form.
Li Li with about 2200 hp does 150 dps using AA, W, and E together, can mitigate 200 points of Alex's damage every 12 seconds with blind bringing Alex's dps down to 184, and she can heal about 70 DPS.
Now once we bring ults into the picture things do change a little as Li Li can heal 2400 hp over 6 seconds but does no damage during that time, so Alex will do 1200 damage to her. Meanwhile Cleansing flame does about 200dps, and makes her unhittable for 6 seconds mitigating 900 points of damage from Li Li.
I'd be curious to do a custom game to test it out.
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We're comparing these heroes at level 10, right? We can assume that Li Li will have 100% up-time on her trait, since she'll be getting AA'd and hit by Flame Buffet regularly, meaning Eager Adventurer at level 1 will grant her effectively infinite mana. Serpent Sidekick at 4 will also get maximum benefit, since it will always hit Alexstrasza. Li Li has no reason to take Cleanse in this match-up, and because we're talking 1v1, she'll gain no benefit from Lightning Serpent, making Good Stuff the default pickup. Because we can safely assume 100% up-time on Fast Feet, you have to factor in not only the constant HoT element from Good Stuff, but at +100% bonus from her trait.
Additionally, just remember to keep in mind that Li Li literally cannot miss Alexstrasza, since all of her abilities auto-target. The same can't really be said of Alexstrasza, right? Like I said before, Li Li will be playing at range, will be doing nothing but actively trying to dodge Flame Buffet since her abilities will land on Alex automatically, and she'll have permanent up-time on the bonus movement speed provided by Fast Feet, making her that much harder to skill-shot. Oh, and a not-insignificant percentage of Alex's auto-attacks will miss due to Blinding Wind.
But let's be generous and assume that Alexstrasza lands Flame Buffet 75% of the time.
The only talent path that makes any sense in this scenario for Alex is full Flame Buffet (Flames of Fury, Heat Exhaustion, Fire Within). Remember that Gift of Life does literally nothing because she can't heal herself with it. Abundance will get value, but it's on a 16-second cooldown, so Alexstrasza's only reliable healing in this scenario comes from landing Flame Buffet consistently on Li Li. Admittedly, the massive slow from Heat Exhaustion works well to counter Li Li's innate movement speed), but I still think that 75% accuracy on Flame Buffet is being pretty generous, just assuming natural human reaction time and error (we can't rightly assume miss-rates from Li Li because she can't miss).
I think it's in Li Li's favor big-time, personally.
You know, the funny thing is, I actually do lol.
You can get off two flames after setting someone on fire before they go out.
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Ew.
that is all.
That Alex had some really good Cleansing Fire's too. Which also didn't help. And I shouldn't have taken Dragon Blade, not sure I got any kills with it. I'm just not good with that ult. My bad. But hey, we were winning before 16 at least.
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meh, x strike might have saved you a couple times, but we'd have just lost a few minutes later most likely. just an unfortunate comp to go into a cho gall, once they got 16 we could only win a fight if they threw hard.
cho gall is silly like that.
Follow up game has our Junkrat getting flipped by Garrosh as soon as he hits the middle lane and instantly deleted. He says, "That's it, I'm done." and proceeds to sit at our Giant Camp and shoot a round into them every few seconds. Seriously, wtf is wrong with people?
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That one sounds to me like a case of not knowing when you've had enough frustration that you're better off walking away.
But generally? They don't care that they're wasting other people's time like that, since they don't have to see you in person.
Yeah, I did. I mean, I had like 8 or 9 kills I think, got Cho'Gall once behind a wall, like I said, we were winning until 16 and we just couldn't teamfight anymore after that like Knight said.
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Harsh Winds (attacking from stealth = 30% more damage) at 16 is similarly bugged. Both only count if you attack during the initial "Unrevealable" portion of stealthing.
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It definitely screws up how many days I get off from work.
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Not really. 2017 is the 16th (by WoW). 2016 was the 14th. 2015 was the 15th.
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