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[Russia/US investigation thread] - Mueller seeks to question Trump

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    WL emailed Jr about an opposition PAC

    Jr. responded with "I'll ask around" then never responded again.

    WL continued to fish with no replies.

    What's the story here?
    That Wikileaks cannot claim political neutrality or lack of agenda, for starters.

    yeah this is the only takeaway for me, personally

    there was a case to be made that Assange is just a contrary asshole, but I don't think anyone can make that argument anymore

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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Wikileaks didn’t write again until Election Day, November 8, 2016. “Hi Don if your father ‘loses’ we think it is much more interesting if he DOES NOT conceed [sic] and spends time CHALLENGING the media and other types of rigging that occurred—as he has implied that he might do,”

    This is one of those rare quotes that I come across which makes me stare blankly for a second before quietly whispering "Fucking hell" to myself.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    WL emailed Jr about an opposition PAC

    Jr. responded with "I'll ask around" then never responded again.

    WL continued to fish with no replies.

    What's the story here?
    That Wikileaks cannot claim political neutrality or lack of agenda, for starters.

    yeah this is the only takeaway for me, personally

    there was a case to be made that Assange is just a contrary asshole, but I don't think anyone can make that argument anymore
    I mean, this isn't some bombastic news that's going to smash this investigation further on or anything. It's a tangential detail (well, unless WL being a Russian outfit is proven true) that just helps to cast a shadow on how the Trump team operates and who it operates with.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Not that it wasn’t already obvious, but hopefully that puts a dent in their “we let you see behind the curtain” reputation. It’s kind of undercut by the curtain they themselves have erected.

    Wikileaks can just get fucked. We don’t need pro-Russia “whistleblowers”, thanks.

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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    I'm mostly just embarrassed that espionage is conducted on twitter DMs.

    What happened to like, dead drops in alleys and coffee shops?

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    I'm mostly just embarrassed that espionage is conducted on twitter DMs.

    What happened to like, dead drops in alleys and coffee shops?

    Yeah, the internet is just ruining person-to-person communication.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    WL emailed Jr about an opposition PAC

    Jr. responded with "I'll ask around" then never responded again.

    WL continued to fish with no replies.

    What's the story here?
    That Wikileaks cannot claim political neutrality or lack of agenda, for starters.

    Sure they can, to the extent that they ever could.

    Reading the article, it looks like he also asked them a question they didn't answer, and tweeted a link they asked him to tweet.

    I would have leaked this myself to demonstrate how little cooperation there was; then been all indignant about the fact it leaked.
    You don't need to respond to make use of someone communicating to you. As in the post above, there's examples in the article where WL would communicate to the Trump administration / campaign, and while they didn't get anything back, said Trump admin/campaign would act on that communication.

    When/if we get a hold of wikileaks's emails we're going to find the second email that Don Jr was responding back with.

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Whomever wearily wondered whence a Watergate with witless weasels would wend and weave won't wonder henceforth.

    Absalon on
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    Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    Can Stupid Watergate get any stupider?

    Yes. Yes it can.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Watergate was nothing

    nothing

    compared to this

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    There are some important things here.

    Wikileaks is laughably easy to prove is a foreign entity, or at the very least not American.

    Wikileaks, a foreign entity, is now outright conclusively proven to have been providing things of value to a presidential campaign, which as you might recall, is grossly illegal.

    The people are the top of the campaign were all fully aware of it.

    Twitter still has whatever else Wikileaks has sent out to whoever else using this comically insecure messaging system.

    Mueller and pals would be insane if they had not already slammed Twitter with a subpoena for everything else Wikileaks sent and what people they contacted during the election. That's going to get super ugly for Assange and his Russian pals super fast.

    E:
    Old article from Obama lawyer laying out how coordination is a smoking gun for collusion. In brief, "coordination is a legally prohibited form of collusion: spending by Russia, if coordinated with the campaign, is a contribution to the campaign."
    https://www.justsecurity.org/42956/open-door-moscow-facts-potential-criminal-case-trump-campaign-coordination-russia/

    ArcTangent on
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    HeirHeir Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Solve Ukraine?

    You mean the country that Russia invaded?

    A country being forcibly dissolved and absorbed against their will into a larger attacking country is technically a solution.

    If ever there were a need for a "Hail Hydra" button...

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Heir wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Solve Ukraine?

    You mean the country that Russia invaded?

    A country being forcibly dissolved and absorbed against their will into a larger attacking country is technically a solution.

    If ever there were a need for a "Hail Hydra" button...

    :hydra:

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Wikileaks' response is that the DMs were definitely edited.

    And if you want proof that they're edited, tough shit because we, a group ostensibly dedicated to radical transparency, don't owe you any transparency, fuckfaces.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    It's amazing that Julian Assange, who selectively releases things with little context, is now complaining the same thing was done to him.

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    Holy shit.

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    Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited November 2017
    With all this Wiki Collab info coming out. In my head I can just picture the political cartoon of a flower girl with Trumps head on her throwing flower petals from a basket labeled Evidence.

    How can they be this bad at not leaving a MASSIVE TRAIL OF BREADCRUMBS every time we look at new evidence. There is probably a Trump Tweet in the timeline that just so happens to coincide with the timeline of every Collab story out there. If Don Jr hasn't fled the country yet, he should probably start. Mueller is straightening his tie and filling a briefcase of indictments any day now.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    edited November 2017
    WL emailed Jr about an opposition PAC

    Jr. responded with "I'll ask around" then never responded again.

    WL continued to fish with no replies.

    What's the story here?

    Don followed up and informed key members of the campaign that Wikileaks had made contact. Within that is the admission that Jr had actually followed up like he said.

    What's said in there is that Jr didn't contact Wikileaks through that channel, what's not said is whether the other key members of the campaign did similar.

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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    With all this Wiki Collab info coming out. In my head I can just picture the political cartoon of a flower girl with Trumps head on her throwing flower petals from a basket labeled Evidence.

    How can they be this bad at not leaving a MASSIVE TRAIL OF BREADCRUMBS every time we look at new evidence. There is probably a Trump Tweet in the timeline that just so happens to coincide with the timeline of every Collab story out there. If Don Jr hasn't fled the country yet, he should probably start. Mueller is straightening his tie and filling a briefcase of indictments any day now.

    He's still the president. Before he goes in any way, he will do whatever he can to stay in power, because he doesn't give a shit about convention, and not even about law

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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Wikileaks didn’t write again until Election Day, November 8, 2016. “Hi Don if your father ‘loses’ we think it is much more interesting if he DOES NOT conceed [sic] and spends time CHALLENGING the media and other types of rigging that occurred—as he has implied that he might do,”

    This is one of those rare quotes that I come across which makes me stare blankly for a second before quietly whispering "Fucking hell" to myself.

    They basically asked him to start a civil war if he lost

    I can't think of any other way that would play out. We've seen how Trump supports act. That way violence lies.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    With all this Wiki Collab info coming out. In my head I can just picture the political cartoon of a flower girl with Trumps head on her throwing flower petals from a basket labeled Evidence.

    How can they be this bad at not leaving a MASSIVE TRAIL OF BREADCRUMBS every time we look at new evidence. There is probably a Trump Tweet in the timeline that just so happens to coincide with the timeline of every Collab story out there. If Don Jr hasn't fled the country yet, he should probably start. Mueller is straightening his tie and filling a briefcase of indictments any day now.

    I think Wikileaks doesn't care if they were caught on this or not. Every angle on this benefits their purpose as propaganda and counter intelligence for a foreign power. The question is not if they are foreign agents, the questions are "How long have they been foreign agents", "How many whistleblowers did they pass on because it hurt the foreign power they worked for", and "How many whistleblowers within that foreign power did Wikileaks give up to them?"
    I'm willing to bet Wikileaks has wound up killing more than a few would-be Russian whistleblowers in their time.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    With all this Wiki Collab info coming out. In my head I can just picture the political cartoon of a flower girl with Trumps head on her throwing flower petals from a basket labeled Evidence.

    How can they be this bad at not leaving a MASSIVE TRAIL OF BREADCRUMBS every time we look at new evidence. There is probably a Trump Tweet in the timeline that just so happens to coincide with the timeline of every Collab story out there. If Don Jr hasn't fled the country yet, he should probably start. Mueller is straightening his tie and filling a briefcase of indictments any day now.

    I think Wikileaks doesn't care if they were caught on this or not. Every angle on this benefits their purpose as propaganda and counter intelligence for a foreign power. The question is not if they are foreign agents, the questions are "How long have they been foreign agents", "How many whistleblowers did they pass on because it hurt the foreign power they worked for", and "How many whistleblowers within that foreign power did Wikileaks give up to them?"
    I'm willing to bet Wikileaks has wound up killing more than a few would-be Russian whistleblowers in their time.

    There have been several cases of Wikileaks rejecting or editing out Russian intel given to them

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    With all this Wiki Collab info coming out. In my head I can just picture the political cartoon of a flower girl with Trumps head on her throwing flower petals from a basket labeled Evidence.

    How can they be this bad at not leaving a MASSIVE TRAIL OF BREADCRUMBS every time we look at new evidence. There is probably a Trump Tweet in the timeline that just so happens to coincide with the timeline of every Collab story out there. If Don Jr hasn't fled the country yet, he should probably start. Mueller is straightening his tie and filling a briefcase of indictments any day now.

    These are people who, beyond paying out settlements, haven't had to answer for any crimes they've ever committed, as well as being complete neophytes when it comes to politics.

    They literally don't know how to hide their garbage and even if they did, they probably wouldn't care.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Wikileaks didn’t write again until Election Day, November 8, 2016. “Hi Don if your father ‘loses’ we think it is much more interesting if he DOES NOT conceed [sic] and spends time CHALLENGING the media and other types of rigging that occurred—as he has implied that he might do,”

    This is one of those rare quotes that I come across which makes me stare blankly for a second before quietly whispering "Fucking hell" to myself.

    This is basically my nightmare scenrio:

    Trump loses 2020, but refuses to relinquish power and cites rigging/illegal votes/whatever.

    You think things are bad now? Current reality ain’t got shit on that potential future.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    (redacted, not on topic)

    Commander Zoom on
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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    He's doing this again


    Here is the entire chain of messages with @wikileaks (with my whopping 3 responses) which one of the congressional committees has chosen to selectively leak. How ironic! 1/3 https://t.co/SiwTqWtykA

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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    He just... he just tweeted it out

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    He's doing this again


    Here is the entire chain of messages with @wikileaks (with my whopping 3 responses) which one of the congressional committees has chosen to selectively leak. How ironic! 1/3 https://t.co/SiwTqWtykA

    "Yeah we did it. Fuck you, it was awesome!"

    Record speed here. Sure don't look edited like our Ecuadorian guest asserted earlier...

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    GyralGyral Registered User regular
    You can see the exact moment in that exchange where the Trumps checked out.
    Leak us one or more of your father's tax returns.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Trump Jr's lawyers are screaming right now, I can hear them from across the country.

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    What is he even alleging there? Selectively leak? What context has he added that wasn't already plainly there?

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    Gennenalyse RuebenGennenalyse Rueben The Prettiest Boy is Ridiculously Pretty Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    He did it again!? Junior, you're not going to win a prize for proving you're the dumbest person in this whole affair!

    EDIT: I'm not complaining about him being stupid, but I just. Cannot wrap my head around it.

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    AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    He did it again!? Junior, you're not going to win a prize for proving you're the dumbest person in this whole affair!

    Don't worry

    Someone, somewhere in the Trump administration read this and said "hold my beer"

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Will there be consequences for this, though?
    Really?
    or is this... just how it's going to be, from now on?
    Because "both sides" and/or "fuck you".

    Commander Zoom on
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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Meanwhile, Franken is demanding Sessions come back to the Senate again to perjure himself some more.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    I keep trying to post my thoughts on this but all I have is "Ahahahahahahaha!"

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    1 of Don Jr's replies was him asking for info about an upcoming leak.

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    AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    I'd sure love to know what goes through Jr's head.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    I'd sure love to know what goes through Jr's head.

    Hip to be Square?

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    I'd sure love to know what goes through Jr's head.

    I have inside information in the spoiler here in regards to your inquiry:
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