Anyone heard of any good BlackFriday deals for a large case that's friendly for watercooling?
The Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Tempered Glass is water cooling ready (radiator up to 420mm on top, 240mm front) and has a door hinge for the glass window.
Newegg currently has it 11% discounted right now for the next 7-8 hours.
Don't know if it'll be cheaper on Black Friday/cyber monday
The Enthoo Pro M TG is also big enough for watercooling and can fit a 360mm radiator on the front (minus the optical drive cage and hard drive cage) or top (minus the optical drive cage)
The Enthoo Evolv is much the same as the pro m but hindered with temperature issues due to lack of airflow.
EDIT: Sorry you wanted deals. I'll have a better look
I usually just reformat during a mobo swap/rebuild. Years ago I didn't, and encountered an unending steam of issues related to motherboard drivers doubling up and going crazy.
Yeah I would 100% do a fresh install if swapping a mobo. Unless you're literally replacing it with the exact same part, do a fresh install. Windows 10 takes almost no time to install anyway.
And personally I always keep my OS on it's own drive so when it comes to reinstalls all my other files are all ready to go. It's a beautiful thing.
I usually just reformat during a mobo swap/rebuild. Years ago I didn't, and encountered an unending steam of issues related to motherboard drivers doubling up and going crazy.
I was, at one point, forced by circumstances to move an existing Windows installation to a different machine. It's possible but it requires some extra actions using sysprep.
I actually managed to do it with no resulting complications.
So Ryzen 3 1200 is $99 currently on Amazon or Newegg with Promo Code. Not very likely that I'll get it for less than that is it? I kinda want to see if the Ryzen 3 1300x goes on sale this next week but not sure if I want to gamble away the $10 discount on the 1200.
So here is the final build/specs for this gaming PC that I'm going to help my son build:
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: AMD - Wraith Max 55.8 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Desktop Memory
Storage :Intel 545s Series 2.5" 256GB SATA III 64-Layer 3D NAND TLC Internal
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB OC Edition Video Card
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total (Purchased) with 7% Sales Tax: $616.16
Pretty happy overall with the quality of the parts and price I was able to get them all for.
You'll probably want to pick up a platter drive if you don't already have one. 256 gigs will disappear pretty fast once you start installing games and such.
Pretty happy overall with the quality of the parts and price I was able to get them all for.
You'll probably want to pick up a platter drive if you don't already have one. 256 gigs will disappear pretty fast once you start installing games and such.
@Incindium that's really similar to my build (same general components, just different manufacturers, my RAM is a bit faster) and I'm pretty happy with it. It performs pretty well at 1080p and the R3 1200 is really easy to overclock to get you the max performance out of it.
Thank you everyone for your feedback, we tightened up the build based on the suggestions. With the sales and deals, we were able to keep it to around $760. With your help, I think we have a machine that will do what we want and last us a while.
We are really excited to build it and I'm stoked to engage both my kids on how these things work. I plan to have them assemble as much as they can.
For the thread in general you can get a PowerColor Red Dragon RX 580 8GB for $215 through NewEgg right now. It requires jumping through some hoops though:
1. That price is after a $10 mail in rebate.
2. You have to buy NewEgg gift cards through Groupon. They're offering a promotional gift card worth $10 with every $100 gift card purchased, and a $5 with every $50. So you buy $250 in gift cards and get $25 in extra credit.
The two most recent links I posted above are for cases that are convenient for watercooling.
I was going to mention the Enthoo Pro as well since its on sale, but thought they'd want a full window to show off the watercooling. In hindsight it wouldn't really matter since the 5.25 and 3.5 bay area is walled off. I think this inside is pretty much the same as the Luxe, much like the Evolv is the same as the Pro M.
Anyway, the Thermaltake View 31 also seems like a good case based on appearance and temps. I think someone else was interested in this case a while back but couldn't find info on temps. I found some recent testing now and its temps are the same as the NXZT S340 Elite. The case doesn't come with a riser cable though to mount a GPU vertically, but I've heard mounting them vertically against side windows increases their temps, so maybe not a huge loss.
Well, I've finished buying my setup! First one after 7 years, unbelievable how out of touch I was (and how the prices have skyrocketed...)
CPU: i5 8600k
CPU cooling (from previous PC): SilentiumPC Spartan 3 LT HE1012 (to be replaced if I ever feel like OCing)
MB: ASRock Z370 PRO4
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT DDR4, 8GB, 2666MHz, CL16 (planning to buy 8GB more in a couple of months)
GPU: Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Core
Case: SilverStone SST-PS11B-W Precision (basically looked for the cheapest silenced one with good reviews)
SSD (from previous PC) Goodram CX100, planning to upgrade to some faster M.2 later on
HDD (from previous PC): Toshiba 1GB external USB, can't remember the model
PSU: SilentiumPC Vero L2 600W (SPC165)
So Newegg.ca is selling the i5 7600k for $110 off (CAD). Which brings it's price pretty much to the same as the i5-8400. I'm torn of which one to grab. Thoughts?
The I5 8400 boosts up to 4ghz without anykind of overclocking required. I'm not sure if the I5 7600K does that without overclocking it yourself but I'll defer to people on the thread who know more than me
I've never overclocked before, so the less I'd have to do, the better.
If I get the 8400, I need the newer motherboard, the 300 series I believe. The memory kits I'm looking at say they support the 270 chipsets. Do I need to find memory kits made for the 300 series mobos? That will make the decision of what CPU to get a bit easier. Some benchmark tests I've seen show the 7600k is slightly better for gaming, which is my primary use.
Well, I've finished buying my setup! First one after 7 years, unbelievable how out of touch I was (and how the prices have skyrocketed...)
CPU: i5 8600k
CPU cooling (from previous PC): SilentiumPC Spartan 3 LT HE1012 (to be replaced if I ever feel like OCing)
MB: ASRock Z370 PRO4
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT DDR4, 8GB, 2666MHz, CL16 (planning to buy 8GB more in a couple of months)
GPU: Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Core
Case: SilverStone SST-PS11B-W Precision (basically looked for the cheapest silenced one with good reviews)
SSD (from previous PC) Goodram CX100, planning to upgrade to some faster M.2 later on
HDD (from previous PC): Toshiba 1GB external USB, can't remember the model
This may have been discussed already but I can't remember. Do you have a PSU?
Cablemod set arrived last night so I decided it was high time to start finishing up the build proper. The cables are mostly installed but I opted to scare myself first.
Step 1: Oh lord...
Delid done, conductonaut in place...
It sat in the Rockitcool clamp overnight with a bit of silicone around the edges to cure. Will see if I got it right tonight hopefully!
I suspected this might happen after some usage and I'm glad I've been watching it closely, my CPU-GPU bend has kinked due to the tight radius. I'm trying to decide my best option for this, the ideal is a rotary 90 degree elbow with some more compressions on it but being in Canada there's nothing I could get with any speed (Another $40+ and another week of waiting most likely).
I'm thinking of using the hard tubing method with some heat, a reinforced inner bit and careful bending to see if I can reshape the corner somewhat. Alternatively I might use the ghetto method and apply some zap straps in the corner to pull it back into shape. If I squeeze the top and bottom it rounds back out nicely but applies some force to the CPU fitting so I might have to shorten the tube by 1/4".
Also grabbed myself a wifi card, another 120GB SSD, a new tower case, and a 530W PSU. Little less power than my old PSU which is still in good shape, but pushing a decade of use.
@Varinn If you have extra tubing, make a pigtail. That should solve the kinking problem until you can figure out another solution.
Another idea is to get some wire and wrap it around the outside of the tubing (so it looks like a spring wrapped around said tubing) to add some support to the bend.
Well, I've finished buying my setup! First one after 7 years, unbelievable how out of touch I was (and how the prices have skyrocketed...)
CPU: i5 8600k
CPU cooling (from previous PC): SilentiumPC Spartan 3 LT HE1012 (to be replaced if I ever feel like OCing)
MB: ASRock Z370 PRO4
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT DDR4, 8GB, 2666MHz, CL16 (planning to buy 8GB more in a couple of months)
GPU: Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Core
Case: SilverStone SST-PS11B-W Precision (basically looked for the cheapest silenced one with good reviews)
SSD (from previous PC) Goodram CX100, planning to upgrade to some faster M.2 later on
HDD (from previous PC): Toshiba 1GB external USB, can't remember the model
This may have been discussed already but I can't remember. Do you have a PSU?
Shit, I keep forgetting... yeah, SilentiumPC Vero L2 600W (SPC165). I assume Silentium isn't known in the US.
@Varinn - would you say the delidding was a risky process? Did you do any temperature measurements to compare before and after?
Well, I've finished buying my setup! First one after 7 years, unbelievable how out of touch I was (and how the prices have skyrocketed...)
CPU: i5 8600k
CPU cooling (from previous PC): SilentiumPC Spartan 3 LT HE1012 (to be replaced if I ever feel like OCing)
MB: ASRock Z370 PRO4
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT DDR4, 8GB, 2666MHz, CL16 (planning to buy 8GB more in a couple of months)
GPU: Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Core
Case: SilverStone SST-PS11B-W Precision (basically looked for the cheapest silenced one with good reviews)
SSD (from previous PC) Goodram CX100, planning to upgrade to some faster M.2 later on
HDD (from previous PC): Toshiba 1GB external USB, can't remember the model
This may have been discussed already but I can't remember. Do you have a PSU?
Shit, I keep forgetting... yeah, SilentiumPC Vero L2 600W (SPC165). I assume Silentium isn't known in the US.
@Varinn - would you say the delidding was a risky process? Did you do any temperature measurements to compare before and after?
I wouldn't call it terribly risky, but who knows. Maybe my beautiful looking chip is now broken, I won't know until I put it all back together and try it.
I will say that the tool was very easy to use. Nerve-wracking yes, but very easy. The process is tedious but I tried to go carefully and clean as much of the old silicone/gunk off as I could and I found application of the thermal grizzley LM to be much easier than everyone claimed it to be.
I have a few charts and records to retrieve temperature improvements from (if any ) . Some gaming min/max and a couple 1-2 hours sessions of OCCT large dataset runs.
@Mugsley I do plan on trying to use a spring if needed, but my first effort will be a slight length change and heat bending it with a stiff 3/8" tube inside and removing the tubing after (similar to how acrylic is bent). I've used the technique when installing machines at work with some luck so I'm hoping for the same. I have plenty of spare tubing to try 5+ different ideas.
You thinking 8th gen I7? I would go intel then but if it's last gen then go amd
Yeah whatever is the latest gen, but I'm nonplussed about having to delid shit.
I don't plan to OC though, so maybe it's a moot point.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Posting from new motherboard, everything seems to be working thus far and my idle temps would appear to indicate I didn't fuck up the new paste. Time to spend some time playing vidyagames to see if the GPUs are still playing stability games with me, or if it was all a hoax by the old board.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
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so, my videocard finally died and the rest of my rig is also 5 years old, so time to update
You thinking 8th gen I7? I would go intel then but if it's last gen then go amd
Yeah whatever is the latest gen, but I'm nonplussed about having to delid shit.
I don't plan to OC though, so maybe it's a moot point.
Then don't delid. Coffee Lake thermals are actually pretty good stock. They used a slightly better TIM this time around. Even with a light OC, on air, there is no need to delid. I did it because I want a super frosty CPU for a variety of reasons (power leakage, ambient transfer, etc), but it's not required.
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CableMod stuff came in. Redid the cabling. Here's the back of the case. It's not perfect, but given how much I had to jam in there, I'm okay with it:
Anddddd the finished (for now) product...drum roll please.....
I say for now because I need more cable combs to really level out the cables the way I want (I just ordered a set) and I'm not sure I'm done with the lighting. I kind of like the under glow, but it does leave the rest of the case kind of dark. Also the lighting is more of a silver/crystal blue than the picture lets on, which makes it seem really blue.
So holy crap. Delid and correcting that funky half kink in my cooling loop has dropped temps on my i7 from 60-65c with sudden spikes to 80+ in OCCT way down to 40-45 with spikes to 55 Celsius...
I'm satisfied!!
Just waiting on some RGB strips and a couple PWM extensions to finally button it all up proper and just enjoy the damn build.
So holy crap. Delid and correcting that funky half kink in my cooling loop has dropped temps on my i7 from 60-65c with sudden spikes to 80+ in OCCT way down to 40-45 with spikes to 55 Celsius...
I'm satisfied!!
Just waiting on some RGB strips and a couple PWM extensions to finally button it all up proper and just enjoy the damn build.
And just think of how fast it'll be once you get those RGB strips.
So holy crap. Delid and correcting that funky half kink in my cooling loop has dropped temps on my i7 from 60-65c with sudden spikes to 80+ in OCCT way down to 40-45 with spikes to 55 Celsius...
I'm satisfied!!
Just waiting on some RGB strips and a couple PWM extensions to finally button it all up proper and just enjoy the damn build.
And just think of how fast it'll be once you get those RGB strips.
I figured I could always set them to blue to keep things even cooler.
If they're RGB, set them to default to red for the best performance. But have them change colour towards blue as the system warms up to keep those temps down.
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Newegg currently has it 11% discounted right now for the next 7-8 hours.
Don't know if it'll be cheaper on Black Friday/cyber monday
The Enthoo Pro M TG is also big enough for watercooling and can fit a 360mm radiator on the front (minus the optical drive cage and hard drive cage) or top (minus the optical drive cage)
The Enthoo Evolv is much the same as the pro m but hindered with temperature issues due to lack of airflow.
EDIT: Sorry you wanted deals. I'll have a better look
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
And personally I always keep my OS on it's own drive so when it comes to reinstalls all my other files are all ready to go. It's a beautiful thing.
I was, at one point, forced by circumstances to move an existing Windows installation to a different machine. It's possible but it requires some extra actions using sysprep.
I actually managed to do it with no resulting complications.
Nintendo ID: Incindium
PSN: IncindiumX
Nintendo ID: Incindium
PSN: IncindiumX
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: AMD - Wraith Max 55.8 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Desktop Memory
Storage :Intel 545s Series 2.5" 256GB SATA III 64-Layer 3D NAND TLC Internal
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB OC Edition Video Card
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total (Purchased) with 7% Sales Tax: $616.16
Pretty happy overall with the quality of the parts and price I was able to get them all for.
Nintendo ID: Incindium
PSN: IncindiumX
You'll probably want to pick up a platter drive if you don't already have one. 256 gigs will disappear pretty fast once you start installing games and such.
New Egg has an inexpensive WD 1TB (7200 RPM): https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 for $50. I think Amazon has it for the same.
We are really excited to build it and I'm stoked to engage both my kids on how these things work. I plan to have them assemble as much as they can.
1. That price is after a $10 mail in rebate.
2. You have to buy NewEgg gift cards through Groupon. They're offering a promotional gift card worth $10 with every $100 gift card purchased, and a $5 with every $50. So you buy $250 in gift cards and get $25 in extra credit.
Oh I forgot I have $20 in rebates I need to process from that so that'll get the overall price under $600
Nintendo ID: Incindium
PSN: IncindiumX
I was going to mention the Enthoo Pro as well since its on sale, but thought they'd want a full window to show off the watercooling. In hindsight it wouldn't really matter since the 5.25 and 3.5 bay area is walled off. I think this inside is pretty much the same as the Luxe, much like the Evolv is the same as the Pro M.
Anyway, the Thermaltake View 31 also seems like a good case based on appearance and temps. I think someone else was interested in this case a while back but couldn't find info on temps. I found some recent testing now and its temps are the same as the NXZT S340 Elite. The case doesn't come with a riser cable though to mount a GPU vertically, but I've heard mounting them vertically against side windows increases their temps, so maybe not a huge loss.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
CPU: i5 8600k
CPU cooling (from previous PC): SilentiumPC Spartan 3 LT HE1012 (to be replaced if I ever feel like OCing)
MB: ASRock Z370 PRO4
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT DDR4, 8GB, 2666MHz, CL16 (planning to buy 8GB more in a couple of months)
GPU: Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Core
Case: SilverStone SST-PS11B-W Precision (basically looked for the cheapest silenced one with good reviews)
SSD (from previous PC) Goodram CX100, planning to upgrade to some faster M.2 later on
HDD (from previous PC): Toshiba 1GB external USB, can't remember the model
PSU: SilentiumPC Vero L2 600W (SPC165)
If I get the 8400, I need the newer motherboard, the 300 series I believe. The memory kits I'm looking at say they support the 270 chipsets. Do I need to find memory kits made for the 300 series mobos? That will make the decision of what CPU to get a bit easier. Some benchmark tests I've seen show the 7600k is slightly better for gaming, which is my primary use.
This may have been discussed already but I can't remember. Do you have a PSU?
Step 1: Oh lord...
Delid done, conductonaut in place...
It sat in the Rockitcool clamp overnight with a bit of silicone around the edges to cure. Will see if I got it right tonight hopefully!
I suspected this might happen after some usage and I'm glad I've been watching it closely, my CPU-GPU bend has kinked due to the tight radius. I'm trying to decide my best option for this, the ideal is a rotary 90 degree elbow with some more compressions on it but being in Canada there's nothing I could get with any speed (Another $40+ and another week of waiting most likely).
I'm thinking of using the hard tubing method with some heat, a reinforced inner bit and careful bending to see if I can reshape the corner somewhat. Alternatively I might use the ghetto method and apply some zap straps in the corner to pull it back into shape. If I squeeze the top and bottom it rounds back out nicely but applies some force to the CPU fitting so I might have to shorten the tube by 1/4".
16GB DDR4 3200
i5-7600k + thermal paste + deepcool heatsink
ASRock Z270 PRO4 LGA mobo
Also grabbed myself a wifi card, another 120GB SSD, a new tower case, and a 530W PSU. Little less power than my old PSU which is still in good shape, but pushing a decade of use.
Another idea is to get some wire and wrap it around the outside of the tubing (so it looks like a spring wrapped around said tubing) to add some support to the bend.
Shit, I keep forgetting... yeah, SilentiumPC Vero L2 600W (SPC165). I assume Silentium isn't known in the US.
@Varinn - would you say the delidding was a risky process? Did you do any temperature measurements to compare before and after?
I wouldn't call it terribly risky, but who knows. Maybe my beautiful looking chip is now broken, I won't know until I put it all back together and try it.
I will say that the tool was very easy to use. Nerve-wracking yes, but very easy. The process is tedious but I tried to go carefully and clean as much of the old silicone/gunk off as I could and I found application of the thermal grizzley LM to be much easier than everyone claimed it to be.
I have a few charts and records to retrieve temperature improvements from (if any
@Mugsley I do plan on trying to use a spring if needed, but my first effort will be a slight length change and heat bending it with a stiff 3/8" tube inside and removing the tubing after (similar to how acrylic is bent). I've used the technique when installing machines at work with some luck so I'm hoping for the same. I have plenty of spare tubing to try 5+ different ideas.
Yeah whatever is the latest gen, but I'm nonplussed about having to delid shit.
I don't plan to OC though, so maybe it's a moot point.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352054&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127947&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233852&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130971&ignorebbr=1
so, this isn't going to explode because of non-matching pins or anything hopefully?
I just need a liquid cooler, recommendations for under $65
also any critiques would help
Didn't look at links yet. Get a H65 or H50 for that price.
Then don't delid. Coffee Lake thermals are actually pretty good stock. They used a slightly better TIM this time around. Even with a light OC, on air, there is no need to delid. I did it because I want a super frosty CPU for a variety of reasons (power leakage, ambient transfer, etc), but it's not required.
Anddddd the finished (for now) product...drum roll please.....
I say for now because I need more cable combs to really level out the cables the way I want (I just ordered a set) and I'm not sure I'm done with the lighting. I kind of like the under glow, but it does leave the rest of the case kind of dark. Also the lighting is more of a silver/crystal blue than the picture lets on, which makes it seem really blue.
I'm satisfied!!
Just waiting on some RGB strips and a couple PWM extensions to finally button it all up proper and just enjoy the damn build.
And just think of how fast it'll be once you get those RGB strips.
I figured I could always set them to blue to keep things even cooler.