My monitor is repaired, my computer is repaired, and I can finally Overwatch! ...kinda.
Occasionally, Overwatch crashes my PC hard. I get a black screen while I can still hear teammates on the mic and I'm unable to get to the Task Manager. Lowering my settings is helping, I think. Temperature checks say my 1080ti temperature is in the 60s while my i7 940 Black is at 70-71C. I'm going to try NVidia's optimization and see what happens.
The CPU is the black "extreeeeme" one. It has eight cores but the clock speed is only 2.99 GHz. What does that mean for my gaming?
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I don't think it's a temperature issue. Sounds like a memory leak or something similar. Does this happen after long sessions where you haven't restarted your computer in a while?
I don't think it's a temperature issue. Sounds like a memory leak or something similar. Does this happen after long sessions where you haven't restarted your computer in a while?
I think it does happen after long sessions.
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AMD promising a 32 core threadripper this year. That would have 64 threads.
alright maybe I'll hold off for this then yeah?
What would you even need that many threads for?
I mean, do it because POWER but still
I do lots of heavy threading things.
Compiling/encoding/multitasking in general
I mean I probably don't need 64 of them, but still, why not?
Supermicro make a quad-CPU server motherboard that can take 4 Xeon E7-8800s. It costs around $2500. The E7-8890v3 is a Xeon CPU with 18 cores and 36 threads that costs ~$7500.
72 physical cores and 144 threads out of one motherboard is possible, if you're crazy (and rich!) enough.
My monitor is repaired, my computer is repaired, and I can finally Overwatch! ...kinda.
Occasionally, Overwatch crashes my PC hard. I get a black screen while I can still hear teammates on the mic and I'm unable to get to the Task Manager. Lowering my settings is helping, I think. Temperature checks say my 1080ti temperature is in the 60s while my i7 940 Black is at 70-71C. I'm going to try NVidia's optimization and see what happens.
The CPU is the black "extreeeeme" one. It has eight cores but the clock speed is only 2.99 GHz. What does that mean for my gaming?
Anyone?
I haven't built a PC in six years, and back then my roommate picked the parts, so I don't fully get CPUs and their relationship with GPUs.
You might see a cpu limitation in some games, but unless you're getting performance you're unhappy with I don't think it's worth stressing over.
I think my Overwatch woes were the product of a setting called Rendering Scale, which was set to 141% rather than 100, causing VRAM crashes. I think its resolved now, but I don't know where that number came from. Wasn't me!
My monitor is repaired, my computer is repaired, and I can finally Overwatch! ...kinda.
Occasionally, Overwatch crashes my PC hard. I get a black screen while I can still hear teammates on the mic and I'm unable to get to the Task Manager. Lowering my settings is helping, I think. Temperature checks say my 1080ti temperature is in the 60s while my i7 940 Black is at 70-71C. I'm going to try NVidia's optimization and see what happens.
The CPU is the black "extreeeeme" one. It has eight cores but the clock speed is only 2.99 GHz. What does that mean for my gaming?
Anyone?
I haven't built a PC in six years, and back then my roommate picked the parts, so I don't fully get CPUs and their relationship with GPUs.
The CPU is the "brain" of the computer. It does all of the general calculations that drive the programs you use. A GPU is a highly specialized processor, designed to do a certain type of calculation very fast - ones that are used to render graphics. Because AMD is both a CPU and GPU maker, they make what they call APUs - CPUs where several cores on chip are replaced with GPU cores, for an all in one solution.
Processors are made up of cores, which are the actual parts that do the processing. CPUs use a small (4-8 for most consumer CPUs) number of general processor cores, GPUs use many small specialized cores. Also, CPU cores have threads, which are processing pipelines. So, if you see a processor defined as 6c/12t, this means that the processor has 6 cores that have two threads each, for a total of 12 unique processing pipelines.
Finally, you don't need an "extreme" processor unless you are planning to overclock your processor. The only difference between them and standard processors is that they have an unlocked clock multiplier, allowing overclocking. (This is only applicable to Intel - Ryzen processors are unlocked across the line.)
partpicker says it can't be sure if the fan will fit in the case. :I
Well you probably want an i7-8700k to go with that motherboard so you can overclock. Otherwise, you could switch the mobo. You also probably want 16GB of RAM, 8GB is a little low compared to the rest of the case.
My monitor is repaired, my computer is repaired, and I can finally Overwatch! ...kinda.
Occasionally, Overwatch crashes my PC hard. I get a black screen while I can still hear teammates on the mic and I'm unable to get to the Task Manager. Lowering my settings is helping, I think. Temperature checks say my 1080ti temperature is in the 60s while my i7 940 Black is at 70-71C. I'm going to try NVidia's optimization and see what happens.
The CPU is the black "extreeeeme" one. It has eight cores but the clock speed is only 2.99 GHz. What does that mean for my gaming?
Anyone?
I haven't built a PC in six years, and back then my roommate picked the parts, so I don't fully get CPUs and their relationship with GPUs.
Finally, you don't need an "extreme" processor unless you are planning to overclock your processor. The only difference between them and standard processors is that they have an unlocked clock multiplier, allowing overclocking. (This is only applicable to Intel - Ryzen processors are unlocked across the line.)
I thought the k depicted intel processors that can be overclocked. So this applies to the black labeled "extreme" processors without the k? If so I wouldn't mind trying my hand at it in the future.
I don't think they adopted the k until the 2xxx series. That thing should overclock, but do some simple searches before you spend money. A quick Google says they can overclock but (subjective from other forums) it may or may not overclock "well."
The best answer really is the best you can afford based of the MB's QVL. Using XML is the only way to get RAM running faster than (I think) 2400mhz on Intel boards. (Might be 2150mhz.) If that isn't a factor, get the stick you want, in the quantity you desire (min 16GB is recommended) at that speed and you can save some bucks.
When I was building mine, research showed a high chance that ~3000mhz was optimal for price/performance. But this may have changed in the last couple of years.
The ultimate answer really is to get the highest quantity and speed you can both live with and afford that is on the QVL. I believe two sticks run faster than four sticks which run faster than one stick. But practical speed is negligible for most.
I don't think they adopted the k until the 2xxx series. That thing should overclock, but do some simple searches before you spend money. A quick Google says they can overclock but (subjective from other forums) it may or may not overclock "well."
I have the processor and fan based aftermarket cooler already. Last month my 6 year old computer fried, and a shop in Koreatown cannibalized an unsold custom PC with the i7 940 Extreme, ASUS motherboard and RAM, putting my GPU, hard drives and PSU in it. My goal is just to squeeze another year or two out of the box, then I can do an entire build from scratch.
The CPU runs up to about 71C currently, I think just a little more C won't kill it...
EDIT - My next computer will totally have liquid cooling
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I don't think they adopted the k until the 2xxx series. That thing should overclock, but do some simple searches before you spend money. A quick Google says they can overclock but (subjective from other forums) it may or may not overclock "well."
I have the processor and fan based aftermarket cooler already. Last month my 6 year old computer fried, and a shop in Koreatown cannibalized an unsold custom PC with the i7 940 Extreme, ASUS motherboard and RAM, putting my GPU, hard drives and PSU in it. My goal is just to squeeze another year or two out of the box, then I can do an entire build from scratch.
The CPU runs up to about 71C currently, I think just a little more C won't kill it...
EDIT - My next computer will totally have liquid cooling
Depending on your board you could run an old Westmere Xeon on that chipset. I have one that should be whole, its the 5670 and overclocked rather well to 4.2 GHz on its 6 cores. They are very cheap on ebay, usually led unstressed lives on servers.
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I like your choice in case (because I have it as well) :biggrin:
Speaking of Phanteks Cases, the new Evolv X looks really nice.
I'm curious what the actual case temps will be like considering how the front is still mostly blocked off. I'm sure it'll be a bit better than original Evolv case/oven, but I doubt it'll be as good as the Airflow edition or Pro M. Although to be honest the hexagon holes in Evolv Airflow edition are ugly as sin.
I don't think they adopted the k until the 2xxx series. That thing should overclock, but do some simple searches before you spend money. A quick Google says they can overclock but (subjective from other forums) it may or may not overclock "well."
I have the processor and fan based aftermarket cooler already. Last month my 6 year old computer fried, and a shop in Koreatown cannibalized an unsold custom PC with the i7 940 Extreme, ASUS motherboard and RAM, putting my GPU, hard drives and PSU in it. My goal is just to squeeze another year or two out of the box, then I can do an entire build from scratch.
The CPU runs up to about 71C currently, I think just a little more C won't kill it...
EDIT - My next computer will totally have liquid cooling
Depending on your board you could run an old Westmere Xeon on that chipset. I have one that should be whole, its the 5670 and overclocked rather well to 4.2 GHz on its 6 cores. They are very cheap on ebay, usually led unstressed lives on servers.
The mobo is an ASUS 6TPD Deluxe, so I could only go up to an i7 990x Extreme. But your advice still stands on ebay!
Upon trying to start Overclocking, I used the Flowchart, and found that it takes a Clock Ratio of 23 to meet the standard 2.93GHz associated with the i7 940.
However, upon trying to go higher, the ratio will not go higher than 23. Is there a setting I am missing so I can proceed with actual overclocking? Are there any recommended clock ratios I should pursue?
EDIT - Turning off the autotuner allows me to increase the BLCK directly. By increasing it from 133 to 141, I was able to go up to 3.10 GHZ! I didn't even mess with the voltage yet! CPU-Z says its at 1.14V during gameplay and CoreTemp says the cores don't even break 68C
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I like your choice in case (because I have it as well) :biggrin:
Speaking of Phanteks Cases, the new Evolv X looks really nice.
I'm curious what the actual case temps will be like considering how the front is still mostly blocked off. I'm sure it'll be a bit better than original Evolv case/oven, but I doubt it'll be as good as the Airflow edition or Pro M. Although to be honest the hexagon holes in Evolv Airflow edition are ugly as sin.
I have an s340 which has a similar blocked front. I put 2 140mm fans in the fan bays and I don't think I have gone over 50 degrees under load. My case has slots just behind the front creating a space for air flow. Probably makes the flow more laminar also.
Dont think thats water. It could be but i really doubt it. Its most likely some volatile liquid that boils below 100c. You can make water do that at subatmospheric pressure but i doubt thats whats happening. Although maybe.
It is basically a "heat pipe" when you really think about it.
Dont think thats water. It could be but i really doubt it. Its most likely some volatile liquid that boils below 100c. You can make water do that at subatmospheric pressure but i doubt thats whats happening. Although maybe.
It is basically a "heat pipe" when you really think about it.
Dont think thats water. It could be but i really doubt it. Its most likely some volatile liquid that boils below 100c. You can make water do that at subatmospheric pressure but i doubt thats whats happening. Although maybe.
It is basically a "heat pipe" when you really think about it.
Sorry, liquid cooling.
Yeah they make it very clear that the fluid in there is a huge part of the operation. To the point where they won't say what it is.
Dont think thats water. It could be but i really doubt it. Its most likely some volatile liquid that boils below 100c. You can make water do that at subatmospheric pressure but i doubt thats whats happening. Although maybe.
It is basically a "heat pipe" when you really think about it.
I think they said it's "non-Novec" but it does the same thing. Because apparently people were having issues with Novec or something (?).
I can see something like that being a bit of a bear since any minor leak just vents the vapor and reduces cooling performance. On the surface it's a pretty neat idea (yes, basically a really wide heatpipe)
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Welp. Finally got the monitor, UPS, desk, and a couple hours to assemble everything. Get the desk together, lookin' good, assemble the monitor, test the UPS, set up the peripherals, unbox the computer, take the packing foam stuff out of the case (which really seems like a terrible idea, I don't think it was anti-static), get the thing upright, adjust the filter on top when I notice it won't lie flat, there's a twist tie sticking though the vent. Open it up again, pull it inside the case, put the side back on start moving it onto position on the desk when I hear a rattle.
Not good.
I look inside the case and there's a fucking screw from the CPU cooler sitting on the graphics card. If I'd've turned it on it would've fried a $500 GPU. None of them were tightened more than a turn or two and one is completely MIA. So now I've opened up a case with New Egg support, hopefully they can just send me a replacement. As unhappy as I am that I'm the owner of a $1500 paperweight I really don't want to have to fuck around with returning it.
I'm gonna have to take the cooler off too because if dude can't be fucked to tighten four screws I don't even want to know what the thermal paste application looks like under there. Gonna have to go over everything else too. Motherfucker.
Does anyone have any contacts or headways to get a legacy LGA-1155 Motherboard from around 2011? My Motherboard has died, and I do not have the money currently to get a new Rig. Prices of compatible mobos from vendor sites are CRAZY, and I am not 100% on risking a China/eBay buy (even though the prices are much more reasonable.)
If someone on the forum had a compatible mobo in an older rig, or laying around somewhere they'd be willing to part with I would much rather make a deal with someone here.
The motherboard that has died is a ASRock Z68 Extreme-4 anything equivalent would suffice. RAM, R9 390X, SSDs, Watercooler, and i7-2600K all appear to be OK.
I don't have an 1155 board, but I do have a 4770k and a Maximus VI Hero to go with it that I wanted to get around to selling at some point. If your RAM is DDR3 it'll work just fine, though you might need a mounting bracket for your AIO. Alternatively I also have an AIO to go with all that, a Kraken x60.
It's from my old build that I just replaced and it all still works, we can work something out if you like.
The only problem I see is the small SSD. With the size of today's games I feel like 240 is the bare minimum and 500'ish would be more ideal. For around $100 you can get a 500gb drive or somewhere around $60-75 for a 240.
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What ran would you recommend with each of those?
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Guess they pulled the deals.
One was an i3-8100 w/ h370m, the other an i5-8600k w/ z370. Oh well.
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Occasionally, Overwatch crashes my PC hard. I get a black screen while I can still hear teammates on the mic and I'm unable to get to the Task Manager. Lowering my settings is helping, I think. Temperature checks say my 1080ti temperature is in the 60s while my i7 940 Black is at 70-71C. I'm going to try NVidia's optimization and see what happens.
The CPU is the black "extreeeeme" one. It has eight cores but the clock speed is only 2.99 GHz. What does that mean for my gaming?
I think it does happen after long sessions.
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The links are working again this morning...so (without a typo this time) "what ram would PC build thread recommend?"
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Supermicro make a quad-CPU server motherboard that can take 4 Xeon E7-8800s. It costs around $2500. The E7-8890v3 is a Xeon CPU with 18 cores and 36 threads that costs ~$7500.
72 physical cores and 144 threads out of one motherboard is possible, if you're crazy (and rich!) enough.
I also game.
So, I would need DirectX.
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partpicker says it can't be sure if the fan will fit in the case. :I
Anyone?
I haven't built a PC in six years, and back then my roommate picked the parts, so I don't fully get CPUs and their relationship with GPUs.
I think my Overwatch woes were the product of a setting called Rendering Scale, which was set to 141% rather than 100, causing VRAM crashes. I think its resolved now, but I don't know where that number came from. Wasn't me!
The CPU is the "brain" of the computer. It does all of the general calculations that drive the programs you use. A GPU is a highly specialized processor, designed to do a certain type of calculation very fast - ones that are used to render graphics. Because AMD is both a CPU and GPU maker, they make what they call APUs - CPUs where several cores on chip are replaced with GPU cores, for an all in one solution.
Processors are made up of cores, which are the actual parts that do the processing. CPUs use a small (4-8 for most consumer CPUs) number of general processor cores, GPUs use many small specialized cores. Also, CPU cores have threads, which are processing pipelines. So, if you see a processor defined as 6c/12t, this means that the processor has 6 cores that have two threads each, for a total of 12 unique processing pipelines.
Finally, you don't need an "extreme" processor unless you are planning to overclock your processor. The only difference between them and standard processors is that they have an unlocked clock multiplier, allowing overclocking. (This is only applicable to Intel - Ryzen processors are unlocked across the line.)
Well you probably want an i7-8700k to go with that motherboard so you can overclock. Otherwise, you could switch the mobo. You also probably want 16GB of RAM, 8GB is a little low compared to the rest of the case.
I thought the k depicted intel processors that can be overclocked. So this applies to the black labeled "extreme" processors without the k? If so I wouldn't mind trying my hand at it in the future.
The best answer really is the best you can afford based of the MB's QVL. Using XML is the only way to get RAM running faster than (I think) 2400mhz on Intel boards. (Might be 2150mhz.) If that isn't a factor, get the stick you want, in the quantity you desire (min 16GB is recommended) at that speed and you can save some bucks.
When I was building mine, research showed a high chance that ~3000mhz was optimal for price/performance. But this may have changed in the last couple of years.
The ultimate answer really is to get the highest quantity and speed you can both live with and afford that is on the QVL. I believe two sticks run faster than four sticks which run faster than one stick. But practical speed is negligible for most.
I have the processor and fan based aftermarket cooler already. Last month my 6 year old computer fried, and a shop in Koreatown cannibalized an unsold custom PC with the i7 940 Extreme, ASUS motherboard and RAM, putting my GPU, hard drives and PSU in it. My goal is just to squeeze another year or two out of the box, then I can do an entire build from scratch.
The CPU runs up to about 71C currently, I think just a little more C won't kill it...
EDIT - My next computer will totally have liquid cooling
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Depending on your board you could run an old Westmere Xeon on that chipset. I have one that should be whole, its the 5670 and overclocked rather well to 4.2 GHz on its 6 cores. They are very cheap on ebay, usually led unstressed lives on servers.
Speaking of Phanteks Cases, the new Evolv X looks really nice.
I'm curious what the actual case temps will be like considering how the front is still mostly blocked off. I'm sure it'll be a bit better than original Evolv case/oven, but I doubt it'll be as good as the Airflow edition or Pro M. Although to be honest the hexagon holes in Evolv Airflow edition are ugly as sin.
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The mobo is an ASUS 6TPD Deluxe, so I could only go up to an i7 990x Extreme. But your advice still stands on ebay!
Upon trying to start Overclocking, I used the Flowchart, and found that it takes a Clock Ratio of 23 to meet the standard 2.93GHz associated with the i7 940.
However, upon trying to go higher, the ratio will not go higher than 23. Is there a setting I am missing so I can proceed with actual overclocking? Are there any recommended clock ratios I should pursue?
EDIT - Turning off the autotuner allows me to increase the BLCK directly. By increasing it from 133 to 141, I was able to go up to 3.10 GHZ! I didn't even mess with the voltage yet! CPU-Z says its at 1.14V during gameplay and CoreTemp says the cores don't even break 68C
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I have an s340 which has a similar blocked front. I put 2 140mm fans in the fan bays and I don't think I have gone over 50 degrees under load. My case has slots just behind the front creating a space for air flow. Probably makes the flow more laminar also.
Dont think thats water. It could be but i really doubt it. Its most likely some volatile liquid that boils below 100c. You can make water do that at subatmospheric pressure but i doubt thats whats happening. Although maybe.
It is basically a "heat pipe" when you really think about it.
It's definitely not water https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3317-phase-change-cooler-and-novec-cooling-der8auer-phase-shift
Sorry, liquid cooling.
Yeah they make it very clear that the fluid in there is a huge part of the operation. To the point where they won't say what it is.
It's probably Novec 649 or something similiar:
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Novec-649-Engineered-Fluid/?N=5002385+3290667401&rt=rud
Boiling point of 49 C
I can see something like that being a bit of a bear since any minor leak just vents the vapor and reduces cooling performance. On the surface it's a pretty neat idea (yes, basically a really wide heatpipe)
Not good.
I look inside the case and there's a fucking screw from the CPU cooler sitting on the graphics card. If I'd've turned it on it would've fried a $500 GPU. None of them were tightened more than a turn or two and one is completely MIA. So now I've opened up a case with New Egg support, hopefully they can just send me a replacement. As unhappy as I am that I'm the owner of a $1500 paperweight I really don't want to have to fuck around with returning it.
I'm gonna have to take the cooler off too because if dude can't be fucked to tighten four screws I don't even want to know what the thermal paste application looks like under there. Gonna have to go over everything else too. Motherfucker.
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If someone on the forum had a compatible mobo in an older rig, or laying around somewhere they'd be willing to part with I would much rather make a deal with someone here.
The motherboard that has died is a ASRock Z68 Extreme-4 anything equivalent would suffice. RAM, R9 390X, SSDs, Watercooler, and i7-2600K all appear to be OK.
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It's from my old build that I just replaced and it all still works, we can work something out if you like.
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The only problem I see is the small SSD. With the size of today's games I feel like 240 is the bare minimum and 500'ish would be more ideal. For around $100 you can get a 500gb drive or somewhere around $60-75 for a 240.