IanatorGaze upon my works, ye mightyand facepalm.Registered Userregular
edited January 2018
Getting ready to install a new PSU to see if that's what failed on my computer. I'm looking at these four:
EVGA 500BAmazonNewegg - Low price, EVGA warranty. Non-modular. Corsair VS500AmazonNewegg - Sorta low price. Non-modular, not Bronze rated. Corsair CX500AmazonNewegg - Sorta low price sometimes. Non-modular. SeaSonic M12II 520AmazonNewegg - Most expensive. Actually modular. Almost exact same model as my current PSU which would be embarrassing if this one failed too.
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It was just about to be 5 years since my last build for myself and wanting to build a 4K gaming god (since it would be
connected to my 65-inch Samsung KS9800), I pulled the trigger and went from this:
CPU = Intel i5-3570K (OC'd to 4.1GHz) CPU Cooler = Cooler Master 212 EVO Motherboard = Asus P8Z77-V Memory = 16GB (2 x 8GB)of Ballistix Tactical Tracer LED RAM Boot Drive = Samsung EVO 250 SSD (added since 2013) Storage = 3 WD drives (2TB, 3TB, and 4TB) Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z GPU = EVGA NVIDIA GTX 1070 (added November 2016) Power Supply = Corsair HX 750 watt Case = InWin GRone Grey Full Tower
to this:
CPU = Intel I7-8700k (OC'd to 4.7GHz) CPU Cooler = Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 Extreme Performance Water / Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm RGB LED set-up: Corsair Lighting Node PRO CL-9011109-WW, RGB Lighting Controller with 4 RGB LED Strips
2 x Corsair HD Series, HD120 RGB LED, 120mm
3 x Corsair HD Series, HD140 RGB LED Motherboard = ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING Memory = 32GB (4 x 8GB) CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR4 3466 (PC4-27700) Boot Drive = Samsung 960 EVO Series - 250GB PCIe NVMe - M.2 SSD Storage = 2 x WD Black 6TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z (kept from previous) GPU= ASUS ROG STRIX GTX1080TI GAMING Power Supply = Corsair RMx Series, RM850x, 850W, Fully Modular, 80+ Gold Case = Thermaltake View 71 4-Sided Tempered Glass Vertical GPU Modular SPCC E-ATX Gaming Full Tower
It was just about to be 5 years since my last build for myself and wanting to build a 4K gaming god (since it would be
connected to my 65-inch Samsung KS9800), I pulled the trigger and went from this:
CPU = Intel i5-3570K (OC'd to 4.1GHz) CPU Cooler = Cooler Master 212 EVO Motherboard = Asus P8Z77-V Memory = 16GB (2 x 8GB)of Ballistix Tactical Tracer LED RAM Boot Drive = Samsung EVO 250 SSD (added since 2013) Storage = 3 WD drives (2TB, 3TB, and 4TB) Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z GPU = EVGA NVIDIA GTX 1070 (added November 2016) Power Supply = Corsair HX 750 watt Case = InWin GRone Grey Full Tower
to this:
CPU = Intel I7-8700k (OC'd to 4.7GHz) CPU Cooler = Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 Extreme Performance Water / Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm RGB LED set-up: Corsair Lighting Node PRO CL-9011109-WW, RGB Lighting Controller with 4 RGB LED Strips
2 x Corsair HD Series, HD120 RGB LED, 120mm
3 x Corsair HD Series, HD140 RGB LED Motherboard = ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING Memory = 32GB (4 x 8GB) CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR4 3466 (PC4-27700) Boot Drive = Samsung 960 EVO Series - 250GB PCIe NVMe - M.2 SSD Storage = 2 x WD Black 6TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z (kept from previous) GPU= ASUS ROG STRIX GTX1080TI GAMING Power Supply = Corsair RMx Series, RM850x, 850W, Fully Modular, 80+ Gold Case = Thermaltake View 71 4-Sided Tempered Glass Vertical GPU Modular SPCC E-ATX Gaming Full Tower
Getting ready to install a new PSU to see if that's what failed on my computer. I'm looking at these four:
EVGA 500BAmazonNewegg - Low price, EVGA warranty. Non-modular. Corsair VS500AmazonNewegg - Sorta low price. Non-modular, not Bronze rated. Corsair CX500AmazonNewegg - Sorta low price sometimes. Non-modular. SeaSonic M12II 520AmazonNewegg - Most expensive. Actually modular. Almost exact same model as my current PSU which would be embarrassing if this one failed too.
I'd try and get a sale on a better one, but if you can't wait cheapest should work and then you have a PC again.
Just be ready to return whichever you get in case it's not the issue.
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IanatorGaze upon my works, ye mightyand facepalm.Registered Userregular
Getting ready to install a new PSU to see if that's what failed on my computer. I'm looking at these four:
EVGA 500BAmazonNewegg - Low price, EVGA warranty. Non-modular. Corsair VS500AmazonNewegg - Sorta low price. Non-modular, not Bronze rated. Corsair CX500AmazonNewegg - Sorta low price sometimes. Non-modular. SeaSonic M12II 520AmazonNewegg - Most expensive. Actually modular. Almost exact same model as my current PSU which would be embarrassing if this one failed too.
I'd try and get a sale on a better one, but if you can't wait cheapest should work and then you have a PC again.
Just be ready to return whichever you get in case it's not the issue.
Either that or hang onto it to use in my next build.
Honestly, I still think it's the mobo. But again, this is the cheapest new part to try.
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Yeah...you really do not want to buy a used card that spent untold hours being used for crypto mining. No matter how cheap the card might be, it's been used for hundreds if not thousands of hours at full load. It could last for years but it could also die 5 minutes after you start using it. Better off waiting for prices to stabilize and buying a new card.
Crypto is in freefall. Here's hoping this meme is over before Volta and Zen2 come out. I'd like to buy gaming hardware some time this year.
God damn it's under 8500?
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
The Dell I ordered came yesterday and I spent the requisite several hours getting everything set up and installed. A few notes:
The case for this thing is rock solid. I mean physically, it is built like a brick. In taking it apart it is clearly built to hold up to the rigors of shipping. There are multiple reinforcement bars and the walls and general design are solid AF.
That being said, the additional structure also made it a PITA to do something as simple as install a second SSD. It was like taking apart a Chinese lockbox that required the strength of Ajax and the hands of a shoemaking elf.
I'm actually really impressed with the lack of bloatware that came preinstalled. Beyond the normal Windows freemium game crap and the standard suite of Dell support software, I didn't have to spend hours tracking down rogue software and unfucking things.
The system as a whole runs very well. Although some of the components are OEM they are still good quality parts. The SSD, for example, came unbranded but is clearly an XG5, which while not world-beating is still pretty darn good.
The biggest problem I'm facing is that now I feel the need to buy a new monitor so that I can fully appreciate the power of this 1070Ti-powered beast.
I'm super frustrated by modern dell tower's lack of upgrade options. They don't even put extra 3.5in bays anymore.
Mine came with an SSD and a platter HDD, and it still had two full bays left over, one of which now houses my Samsung SSD. That being said, per my notes, it was a major PITA to install, though. The SATA plug on the mobo is almost impossible to access short of taking apart the entire machine, and the power cable almost didn't reach over from the first enclosure to the second empty one.
The third bay is in the front of the machine and oriented so that it lies flat against the front of the case (e.g., it sits vertically instead of horizontally). I would be at a loss as to how to install anything there without actually taking apart the entire machine. It's also unfortunate that there are no additional slots to install something that needs external access, like another DVD drive.
I haven't been a hardcore upgrade-as-you-go gamer for coming on 10 years now, though, so a realistic assessment of whether or not I need all the extra space came back with a resounding "nope". My last machine was a full tower with amazing slide-out bays, another slot for SLI, and enough room for a pet hamster, but the most I ever did with it was add another hard drive.
For whatever it's worth, you can always take the entire Dell build and move it to a more accommodating case (and sell the Dell case). I'm not telling you anything new, though.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
For whatever it's worth, you can always take the entire Dell build and move it to a more accommodating case (and sell the Dell case). I'm not telling you anything new, though.
For whatever it's worth, you can always take the entire Dell build and move it to a more accommodating case (and sell the Dell case). I'm not telling you anything new, though.
Yeah, no. Dell doesn't use ATX much these days. I think only their high end precision workstations are.
The Dell I ordered came yesterday and I spent the requisite several hours getting everything set up and installed. A few notes:
The case for this thing is rock solid. I mean physically, it is built like a brick. In taking it apart it is clearly built to hold up to the rigors of shipping. There are multiple reinforcement bars and the walls and general design are solid AF.
That being said, the additional structure also made it a PITA to do something as simple as install a second SSD. It was like taking apart a Chinese lockbox that required the strength of Ajax and the hands of a shoemaking elf.
I'm actually really impressed with the lack of bloatware that came preinstalled. Beyond the normal Windows freemium game crap and the standard suite of Dell support software, I didn't have to spend hours tracking down rogue software and unfucking things.
The system as a whole runs very well. Although some of the components are OEM they are still good quality parts. The SSD, for example, came unbranded but is clearly an XG5, which while not world-beating is still pretty darn good.
The biggest problem I'm facing is that now I feel the need to buy a new monitor so that I can fully appreciate the power of this 1070Ti-powered beast.
Get yourself a Dell S2716DG and be all Dell'd out.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
I was actually looking at a really similar Acer or ASUS 27 incher!
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HeatwaveCome, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered Userregular
Yeah definitely nuke that system and clean install.
For whatever it's worth, you can always take the entire Dell build and move it to a more accommodating case (and sell the Dell case). I'm not telling you anything new, though.
Yeah, no. Dell doesn't use ATX much these days. I think only their high end precision workstations are.
Shit sakes, I thought they stopped with that tomfoolery. Dell and HP forget the meaning of "standard"
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That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
For whatever it's worth, you can always take the entire Dell build and move it to a more accommodating case (and sell the Dell case). I'm not telling you anything new, though.
Yeah, no. Dell doesn't use ATX much these days. I think only their high end precision workstations are.
Shit sakes, I thought they stopped with that tomfoolery. Dell and HP forget the meaning of "standard"
Don't even get me started on HP. They are shipping tower desktop computers with external DC power supplies and laptop motherboards.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
As a layman who doesn't spend time comparing GPUs, I'll posit that the difference is mainly in saying that there is a difference.
It depends on whether it not you want to run at the bleeding edge for longer or not. Or if you just want to spend the extra money because you can.
For disclosure, I got my 11GB 1080ti because I don't want to upgrade for as long as possible.
There is talk of a new gen, but nothing concrete at the moment. Any price drop would probably only show up when miners abandon the 'old' hardware and prices settle back to around MSRP. This gen didn't really drive the previous prices down (likely because miners were still buying them anyway).
I haven't needed a new drive in a couple of years, and I think I'm finally ready to splurge on a large-size SSD. What's the best interface to go for these days? SATA3? PCIe? Is NVMe a subset of PCIe or some whole other thing?
If I buy a new motherboard, what should I be looking for in order to future-proof drive selection?
I haven't needed a new drive in a couple of years, and I think I'm finally ready to splurge on a large-size SSD. What's the best interface to go for these days? SATA3? PCIe? Is NVMe a subset of PCIe or some whole other thing?
If I buy a new motherboard, what should I be looking for in order to future-proof drive selection?
On AMD, you want an AM4 socket, as that's the most current processor socket for AMD systems. Intel, on the other hand, seems unwilling to commit to a socket.
Drivewise, you want a board that supports M2 PCIe, which let you use M2 drives on the PCIe bus.
I haven't needed a new drive in a couple of years, and I think I'm finally ready to splurge on a large-size SSD. What's the best interface to go for these days? SATA3? PCIe? Is NVMe a subset of PCIe or some whole other thing?
If I buy a new motherboard, what should I be looking for in order to future-proof drive selection?
On AMD, you want an AM4 socket, as that's the most current processor socket for AMD systems. Intel, on the other hand, seems unwilling to commit to a socket.
Drivewise, you want a board that supports M2 PCIe, which let you use M2 drives on the PCIe bus.
Yeah, I think I'm going to let the i9 hype die down before I figure out a new CPU socket to tie myself down to.
Wait, are you saying that the NVMe protocol runs over the PCIe bus... through the M.2 slot? I had no idea!
Edit: ASUS has a boring, but informative video on the subject:
It was just about to be 5 years since my last build for myself and wanting to build a 4K gaming god (since it would be
connected to my 65-inch Samsung KS9800), I pulled the trigger and went from this:
CPU = Intel i5-3570K (OC'd to 4.1GHz) CPU Cooler = Cooler Master 212 EVO Motherboard = Asus P8Z77-V Memory = 16GB (2 x 8GB)of Ballistix Tactical Tracer LED RAM Boot Drive = Samsung EVO 250 SSD (added since 2013) Storage = 3 WD drives (2TB, 3TB, and 4TB) Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z GPU = EVGA NVIDIA GTX 1070 (added November 2016) Power Supply = Corsair HX 750 watt Case = InWin GRone Grey Full Tower
to this:
CPU = Intel I7-8700k (OC'd to 4.7GHz) CPU Cooler = Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 Extreme Performance Water / Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm RGB LED set-up: Corsair Lighting Node PRO CL-9011109-WW, RGB Lighting Controller with 4 RGB LED Strips
2 x Corsair HD Series, HD120 RGB LED, 120mm
3 x Corsair HD Series, HD140 RGB LED Motherboard = ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING Memory = 32GB (4 x 8GB) CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR4 3466 (PC4-27700) Boot Drive = Samsung 960 EVO Series - 250GB PCIe NVMe - M.2 SSD Storage = 2 x WD Black 6TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z (kept from previous) GPU= ASUS ROG STRIX GTX1080TI GAMING Power Supply = Corsair RMx Series, RM850x, 850W, Fully Modular, 80+ Gold Case = Thermaltake View 71 4-Sided Tempered Glass Vertical GPU Modular SPCC E-ATX Gaming Full Tower
Oh man, your previous build is almost exactly what I have right now. I put it together in March 2013. Even down to now having a 1070 (added in 2017 for me). Uuuugh, maybe it is time to upgrade.
I haven't needed a new drive in a couple of years, and I think I'm finally ready to splurge on a large-size SSD. What's the best interface to go for these days? SATA3? PCIe? Is NVMe a subset of PCIe or some whole other thing?
If I buy a new motherboard, what should I be looking for in order to future-proof drive selection?
On AMD, you want an AM4 socket, as that's the most current processor socket for AMD systems. Intel, on the other hand, seems unwilling to commit to a socket.
Drivewise, you want a board that supports M2 PCIe, which let you use M2 drives on the PCIe bus.
theres like 5 different m2 things currently thats infuriating.
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EVGA 500B Amazon Newegg - Low price, EVGA warranty. Non-modular.
Corsair VS500 Amazon Newegg - Sorta low price. Non-modular, not Bronze rated.
Corsair CX500 Amazon Newegg - Sorta low price sometimes. Non-modular.
SeaSonic M12II 520 Amazon Newegg - Most expensive. Actually modular. Almost exact same model as my current PSU which would be embarrassing if this one failed too.
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connected to my 65-inch Samsung KS9800), I pulled the trigger and went from this:
CPU = Intel i5-3570K (OC'd to 4.1GHz)
CPU Cooler = Cooler Master 212 EVO
Motherboard = Asus P8Z77-V
Memory = 16GB (2 x 8GB)of Ballistix Tactical Tracer LED RAM
Boot Drive = Samsung EVO 250 SSD (added since 2013)
Storage = 3 WD drives (2TB, 3TB, and 4TB)
Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z
GPU = EVGA NVIDIA GTX 1070 (added November 2016)
Power Supply = Corsair HX 750 watt
Case = InWin GRone Grey Full Tower
to this:
CPU = Intel I7-8700k (OC'd to 4.7GHz)
CPU Cooler = Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 Extreme Performance Water / Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm
RGB LED set-up: Corsair Lighting Node PRO CL-9011109-WW, RGB Lighting Controller with 4 RGB LED Strips
2 x Corsair HD Series, HD120 RGB LED, 120mm
3 x Corsair HD Series, HD140 RGB LED
Motherboard = ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING
Memory = 32GB (4 x 8GB) CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR4 3466 (PC4-27700)
Boot Drive = Samsung 960 EVO Series - 250GB PCIe NVMe - M.2 SSD
Storage = 2 x WD Black 6TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s
Sound Card = Sound Blaster Z (kept from previous)
GPU= ASUS ROG STRIX GTX1080TI GAMING
Power Supply = Corsair RMx Series, RM850x, 850W, Fully Modular, 80+ Gold
Case = Thermaltake View 71 4-Sided Tempered Glass Vertical GPU Modular SPCC E-ATX Gaming Full Tower
Total cost = $3200
Spoiler'd for bigness and RGB apocalypse
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I'd try and get a sale on a better one, but if you can't wait cheapest should work and then you have a PC again.
Just be ready to return whichever you get in case it's not the issue.
Either that or hang onto it to use in my next build.
Honestly, I still think it's the mobo. But again, this is the cheapest new part to try.
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So uh... wanna sell me that 1070 really cheaply?
Yes, but maybe I can sell my used card at the inflated price before the sharp drop? Gotta ride the wave baby!
God damn it's under 8500?
The case for this thing is rock solid. I mean physically, it is built like a brick. In taking it apart it is clearly built to hold up to the rigors of shipping. There are multiple reinforcement bars and the walls and general design are solid AF.
That being said, the additional structure also made it a PITA to do something as simple as install a second SSD. It was like taking apart a Chinese lockbox that required the strength of Ajax and the hands of a shoemaking elf.
I'm actually really impressed with the lack of bloatware that came preinstalled. Beyond the normal Windows freemium game crap and the standard suite of Dell support software, I didn't have to spend hours tracking down rogue software and unfucking things.
The system as a whole runs very well. Although some of the components are OEM they are still good quality parts. The SSD, for example, came unbranded but is clearly an XG5, which while not world-beating is still pretty darn good.
The biggest problem I'm facing is that now I feel the need to buy a new monitor so that I can fully appreciate the power of this 1070Ti-powered beast.
Then we'd nuke the thing and install everything clean. But, no particular complaints about ease of use or tech support. And that was ~20 years ago.
Mine came with an SSD and a platter HDD, and it still had two full bays left over, one of which now houses my Samsung SSD. That being said, per my notes, it was a major PITA to install, though. The SATA plug on the mobo is almost impossible to access short of taking apart the entire machine, and the power cable almost didn't reach over from the first enclosure to the second empty one.
The third bay is in the front of the machine and oriented so that it lies flat against the front of the case (e.g., it sits vertically instead of horizontally). I would be at a loss as to how to install anything there without actually taking apart the entire machine. It's also unfortunate that there are no additional slots to install something that needs external access, like another DVD drive.
I haven't been a hardcore upgrade-as-you-go gamer for coming on 10 years now, though, so a realistic assessment of whether or not I need all the extra space came back with a resounding "nope". My last machine was a full tower with amazing slide-out bays, another slot for SLI, and enough room for a pet hamster, but the most I ever did with it was add another hard drive.
Yeah, no. Dell doesn't use ATX much these days. I think only their high end precision workstations are.
Get yourself a Dell S2716DG and be all Dell'd out.
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Shit sakes, I thought they stopped with that tomfoolery. Dell and HP forget the meaning of "standard"
Don't even get me started on HP. They are shipping tower desktop computers with external DC power supplies and laptop motherboards.
It was an Amazon Warehouse deal though, so I'm guessing I'll have to check for dead pixels and backlight bleed. Fingers crossed!
Sorry, I actually sold the old build 3 weeks ago.
is it worth the extra hundreds of dollars? And is there a new gen coming out soon that might make prices dip?
It depends on whether it not you want to run at the bleeding edge for longer or not. Or if you just want to spend the extra money because you can.
For disclosure, I got my 11GB 1080ti because I don't want to upgrade for as long as possible.
There is talk of a new gen, but nothing concrete at the moment. Any price drop would probably only show up when miners abandon the 'old' hardware and prices settle back to around MSRP. This gen didn't really drive the previous prices down (likely because miners were still buying them anyway).
It's roughly a 30% performance jump, a not unnoticeable amount.
1080 60hz? Not worth it.
4k 60hz? Worth it.
I think I'd rather go for 1440p at 144hz these days, as opposed to 4k 60hz
If I buy a new motherboard, what should I be looking for in order to future-proof drive selection?
On AMD, you want an AM4 socket, as that's the most current processor socket for AMD systems. Intel, on the other hand, seems unwilling to commit to a socket.
Drivewise, you want a board that supports M2 PCIe, which let you use M2 drives on the PCIe bus.
Yeah, I think I'm going to let the i9 hype die down before I figure out a new CPU socket to tie myself down to.
Wait, are you saying that the NVMe protocol runs over the PCIe bus... through the M.2 slot? I had no idea!
Edit: ASUS has a boring, but informative video on the subject:
Oh man, your previous build is almost exactly what I have right now. I put it together in March 2013. Even down to now having a 1070 (added in 2017 for me). Uuuugh, maybe it is time to upgrade.
theres like 5 different m2 things currently thats infuriating.