Honestly I can't deal with google docs and I kinda have to wonder what version people are using that they think is enough for general use. Like, my little sister often finds Google Docs online annoying and limited for writing her high school essays. I've recently started trying the online office apps and they do seem to work better and allow for easier formatting and so on, though.
I wouldn't recommend Google Docs for schoolwork
I'd recommend you expound on this, like, why? Or maybe an anecdote?
I wouldn't recommend fish for eating, but that's only because I don't like fish, not because fish isn't food.
Because most schools are 100% in on Office, most texts are based around Office formatting, so trying to replicate that in Google Docs will be a task I'm not envious of anyone trying.
This goes past Word, as well. If you try to use Sheets in classes like finance or even some physics classes that use Pivot Tables kind of a lot, you'll be p shit out of luck with Sheets. If you try to write a paper in IEEE formatting or any other really complex template on Docs you're kind of shit out of luck. And let's not even get started on how many Powerpoints (yes, Powerpoint, not the free Open Office version that gets jacked up when imported because the formatting is different) I ended up making during my collegiate career.
And here's the kicker: If you use Office, you'll be able to send these files to just about everyone. If you use the other options, you might be able to send them and have the formatting hold when it's imported.
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Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
Plus, if you're a student, you used to get office suite for free. I'm not sure if that still applies now.
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HeatwaveCome, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered Userregular
On the topic of Pivot tables and charts, they are super rad and helpful.
Plus, if you're a student, you used to get office suite for free. I'm not sure if that still applies now.
Not anymore, but you get Student Pricing.
Just about every other piece of software is free on Dreamspark, tho.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
edited August 2018
Steve from GamersNexus isn't happy about Tom's Hardware saying "just buy it" to the RTX cards. Even though I've got a pocket full of cash waiting for me to pull the trigger on the 2070, I agree with his assessment.
On the topic of Pivot tables and charts, they are super rad and helpful.
And to be clear, when looking for Office alternatives, you're looking for something good enough for your use case. None of them are actually better or more powerful, but they're all at certain levels where people will find them quite satisfactory according to their needs.
I definitely prefer office, but in grad school we used google docs very often for group projects and presentations. It's not a big deal, you just login when it's time to present. Almost every group would do it. Papers can easily be edited while on conference call or group chat in the doc, etc.
At my school a lot of students didn't have MS office. And I can't blame them for not wanting to pay for it.
I definitely prefer office, but in grad school we used google docs very often for group projects and presentations. It's not a big deal, you just login when it's time to present. Almost every group would do it. Papers can easily be edited while on conference call or group chat in the doc, etc.
At my school a lot of students didn't have MS office. And I can't blame them for not wanting to pay for it.
And in that case Google Docs fits your needs just fine.
I think I see the problems when someone tries to use libre/open/Google when the everyone else isn't, and vice versa.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
It reads like someone with too much money, stock in nvidia, and zero comprehension of how big a purchase it really is.
What a dumbass. There is never a "cost" to waiting on tech that refreshes itself this quickly. You won't miss a feature;the feature will just be included going forward. Conversely, there is very little "benefit" to being an early adopter; other than bragging rights or your personal want to own bleeding edge tech.
Also, speaking as someone who plays a large number of indie games and games that are relatively old, it'll be at least another year or two before my 1080 starts to hit any walls. Hell, my 780 was plodding along just fine when I replaced it.
It reads like someone with too much money, stock in nvidia, and zero comprehension of how big a purchase it really is.
What a dumbass. There is never a "cost" to waiting on tech that refreshes itself this quickly. You won't miss a feature;the feature will just be included going forward. Conversely, there is very little "benefit" to being an early adopter; other than bragging rights or your personal want to own bleeding edge tech.
Also, speaking as someone who plays a large number of indie games and games that are relatively old, it'll be at least another year or two before my 1080 starts to hit any walls. Hell, my 780 was plodding along just fine when I replaced it.
But when you die and your life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want ray traced?
*for those who didn't watch the video or read the article, this is actually said.
One of my bigger "turn-offs" of SLI (and this would apply to Crossfire as well, back when that was a thing) was how high the failure rate for bridges (at least the cheap, flexible ones) used to be.
Vastly higher compared to actual video cards. Then again, I've also had 2 of the 4 solid state drives I've purchased fail from under me.
Have you considered the possibility that you have been cursed by some kind of technology God?
It reads like someone with too much money, stock in nvidia, and zero comprehension of how big a purchase it really is.
What a dumbass. There is never a "cost" to waiting on tech that refreshes itself this quickly. You won't miss a feature;the feature will just be included going forward. Conversely, there is very little "benefit" to being an early adopter; other than bragging rights or your personal want to own bleeding edge tech.
Also, speaking as someone who plays a large number of indie games and games that are relatively old, it'll be at least another year or two before my 1080 starts to hit any walls. Hell, my 780 was plodding along just fine when I replaced it.
I mean, shit, my Radeon R9 280 is just starting to have the occasional trouble with current gen games at high setting in 1080p now, and that's with two monitors on (though admittedly the second one is largely used for web browsing and discording, so not much). Monster Hunter was the first game where I had legit issues, and disabling a couple of the fancier bits (volumetric tracing I think one was called?) made it run smooth as butter anyway. I sure as fuck don't need a 2080!
I mean, the 1xxx cards should drop in price, and they are still pretty nifty
They probably won't.
Historically, gpu prices don't drop when a new tier of cards come out. They don't really lose value as longer-term the stock still has value as warranty replacements and the like.
I mean, the 1xxx cards should drop in price, and they are still pretty nifty
They probably won't.
Historically, gpu prices don't drop when a new tier of cards come out. They don't really lose value as longer-term the stock still has value as warranty replacements and the like.
Yeah, having been waiting around for a good few release cycles, this just hasn't been the case for the last 4 or 5 releases.
The new ray tracing might disrupt this a bit, but not by much.
I think the only way to get a bargain will be from crypto-miners liquidating their now outdated rigs. And to be frank fuck navigating that minefield.
I got a EVGA 1080ti non-blower for $600, so the deals are out there.
That said, I got all my parts to day, but had so much trouble trying to get the AMD Spire heatsink on that I just gave up. Ordered some thermal paste and will try again Wednesday I guess. Apparently it's a common problem.
Edit: can anyone recommend a vertical gaming mouse?
I don't think there is such a thing. Logitech did just announce their own wireless mouse, the MX Vertical, and I think it's around $100. The closest you're going to find to a "gaming" mouse might be ones with more than 4 buttons and adjustable dpi.
One of my bigger "turn-offs" of SLI (and this would apply to Crossfire as well, back when that was a thing) was how high the failure rate for bridges (at least the cheap, flexible ones) used to be.
Vastly higher compared to actual video cards. Then again, I've also had 2 of the 4 solid state drives I've purchased fail from under me.
Have you considered the possibility that you have been cursed by some kind of technology God?
Yes. That god is called "Solid State Storage."
Even the name sounds vindictive and cruel. And have you seen the cult? *shudder*
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
So I hear crypto is crashing and the next gen of GPU's is on the horizon which has or will bring down the price of the current gen. Can I get some recommendations on best value for a middle class card? I'd like to keep below $280 but I know that's a lot harder to do than it used to be. I'd put a theoretical max at $400 but only if it's a really huge discount.
God I miss the old days when god cards were only $500 and you could get 80% of their performance for half the price.
I mean you can get it for cheaper today if you use the today only sitewide coupon at a very famous peer to peer e-tailer.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
That Tom's Hardware article was insanity...and Steve's response was perfect. I say this as someone who is pretty firmly Team Green and wants the 20XX cards to be good.
Do we have any idea for price ranges of the new cards?
nvidia's base MSRP is $499 for the 2070, $699 for the 2080, and $999 for the 2080ti. i doubt you'll find any exactly at these prices for a while, as most manufacturers have some sort of value add they want to price in
founders edition MSRP is $599, $799, and $1199 respectively
My current PC is kind of a desktop of Theseus and all the components are getting to the point where they're all going to need replacing in the next few months. I probably won't be building a new PC for a while yet, but I may try grabbing bits and pieces here and there when they go on sale. I was hoping to build something that would fit in a cubby underneath my desk (specifically, this pedestal/shelf from IKEA) in order to keep a clean look on the desktop surface but I'd likely have to compromise with an ITX tower so I'll probably nix that idea and get a standard mid-tower. Are there any quiet cases that look good and are affordable? I don't want anything with glass sides, XXXTREME LEDs or gamer greebles. My current case is an Antec 300 if that puts things into perspective.
Not exactly the kind of things that this thread focuses on, but Intel announced their new line of laptop processors today. Still 8th gen parts, codename Whiskey Lake. Not massive improvments. generally seeing the same base clock and 3-400mhz more on the turbo clock on the 15W parts, with more significant increases on the 5W parts, some of the 5W parts seeing 600mhz jumps in base clock.
So while the mobile parts obviously aren't on the same playing field as the desktop parts, I think that probably gives a decent blueprint of what we'll see with the new desktop parts when they get announced.
@m!ttens The Fractal cases are pretty affordable and are quiet. The S (I think) and R lines have sound dampening padding to boot if that interests you.
So I hear crypto is crashing and the next gen of GPU's is on the horizon which has or will bring down the price of the current gen. Can I get some recommendations on best value for a middle class card? I'd like to keep below $280 but I know that's a lot harder to do than it used to be. I'd put a theoretical max at $400 but only if it's a really huge discount.
God I miss the old days when god cards were only $500 and you could get 80% of their performance for half the price.
Probably a 1060/1070 then I would say.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
1080 Ti is going to maintain a solid bang/buck ratio unless the 2xxx cards beat the absolute shit out of it.
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Kane Red RobeMaster of MagicArcanusRegistered Userregular
edited August 2018
Sure except his budget is $280-400 (preferably lower), so suggesting a card that can be bought for ~$600 if you can get a deal is not very useful. A 1060(6gb)/RX580 and up is probably enough for gaming at 1080p so I would start there and maybe go up one notch depending on how much you want to spend.
Edit: a 1050Ti or equivalent will probably also be fine even, if you want to really save cash, I wouldn't go any lower than that though.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
a 1060 (6gb) is faster than my 970 and is a great card.
also my 970 still runs everything at at high or ultra ato 1080p with no problems
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Because most schools are 100% in on Office, most texts are based around Office formatting, so trying to replicate that in Google Docs will be a task I'm not envious of anyone trying.
This goes past Word, as well. If you try to use Sheets in classes like finance or even some physics classes that use Pivot Tables kind of a lot, you'll be p shit out of luck with Sheets. If you try to write a paper in IEEE formatting or any other really complex template on Docs you're kind of shit out of luck. And let's not even get started on how many Powerpoints (yes, Powerpoint, not the free Open Office version that gets jacked up when imported because the formatting is different) I ended up making during my collegiate career.
And here's the kicker: If you use Office, you'll be able to send these files to just about everyone. If you use the other options, you might be able to send them and have the formatting hold when it's imported.
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Not anymore, but you get Student Pricing.
Just about every other piece of software is free on Dreamspark, tho.
And to be clear, when looking for Office alternatives, you're looking for something good enough for your use case. None of them are actually better or more powerful, but they're all at certain levels where people will find them quite satisfactory according to their needs.
At my school a lot of students didn't have MS office. And I can't blame them for not wanting to pay for it.
And in that case Google Docs fits your needs just fine.
I think I see the problems when someone tries to use libre/open/Google when the everyone else isn't, and vice versa.
It reads like someone with too much money, stock in nvidia, and zero comprehension of how big a purchase it really is.
What a dumbass. There is never a "cost" to waiting on tech that refreshes itself this quickly. You won't miss a feature;the feature will just be included going forward. Conversely, there is very little "benefit" to being an early adopter; other than bragging rights or your personal want to own bleeding edge tech.
Also, speaking as someone who plays a large number of indie games and games that are relatively old, it'll be at least another year or two before my 1080 starts to hit any walls. Hell, my 780 was plodding along just fine when I replaced it.
But when you die and your life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want ray traced?
*for those who didn't watch the video or read the article, this is actually said.
Have you considered the possibility that you have been cursed by some kind of technology God?
I mean, shit, my Radeon R9 280 is just starting to have the occasional trouble with current gen games at high setting in 1080p now, and that's with two monitors on (though admittedly the second one is largely used for web browsing and discording, so not much). Monster Hunter was the first game where I had legit issues, and disabling a couple of the fancier bits (volumetric tracing I think one was called?) made it run smooth as butter anyway. I sure as fuck don't need a 2080!
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They probably won't.
Historically, gpu prices don't drop when a new tier of cards come out. They don't really lose value as longer-term the stock still has value as warranty replacements and the like.
Yeah, having been waiting around for a good few release cycles, this just hasn't been the case for the last 4 or 5 releases.
The new ray tracing might disrupt this a bit, but not by much.
I think the only way to get a bargain will be from crypto-miners liquidating their now outdated rigs. And to be frank fuck navigating that minefield.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/pablocampy
That said, I got all my parts to day, but had so much trouble trying to get the AMD Spire heatsink on that I just gave up. Ordered some thermal paste and will try again Wednesday I guess. Apparently it's a common problem.
Edit: can anyone recommend a vertical gaming mouse?
I don't think there is such a thing. Logitech did just announce their own wireless mouse, the MX Vertical, and I think it's around $100. The closest you're going to find to a "gaming" mouse might be ones with more than 4 buttons and adjustable dpi.
Yes. That god is called "Solid State Storage."
Even the name sounds vindictive and cruel. And have you seen the cult? *shudder*
God I miss the old days when god cards were only $500 and you could get 80% of their performance for half the price.
nvidia's base MSRP is $499 for the 2070, $699 for the 2080, and $999 for the 2080ti. i doubt you'll find any exactly at these prices for a while, as most manufacturers have some sort of value add they want to price in
founders edition MSRP is $599, $799, and $1199 respectively
MSRP is going to be as follows:
2070: $500
2080: $700
2080 Ti: $1000
Preorder prices/founders cards are even more expensive.
2070: $600
2080: $800
2080 Ti: $1200
So while the mobile parts obviously aren't on the same playing field as the desktop parts, I think that probably gives a decent blueprint of what we'll see with the new desktop parts when they get announced.
I have a new case I need to put things in, damn it!
Probably a 1060/1070 then I would say.
Edit: a 1050Ti or equivalent will probably also be fine even, if you want to really save cash, I wouldn't go any lower than that though.
also my 970 still runs everything at at high or ultra ato 1080p with no problems