A Beauty of [chat]guage

Mazzyx

I came in late but language is a complex organism that is highly tied to culture and personality. It can express simple ideas and complex relationships. It is really cool and folks should study it even if we get universal translators because it helps you understand a culture.



This would of been longer but work has poked me.

Preacher

Damn it mazzy.

Neco

I’m thinking something in my Wii U this morning

Maybe I’ll finaly buy xenoblade chronicles

RMS Oceanic

Mazzyx wins because of the ten minute rule.

Mazzyx

Preacher wrote: »

Damn it mazzy.

You jumped the gun boyo.

Jubal77

Neco wrote: »

I’m thinking something in my Wii U this morning

Maybe I’ll finaly buy xenoblade chronicles

It is such a wonderful rpg.

jungleroomx

RMS Oceanic wrote: »

Mazzyx wins because of the ten minute rule.

Which is like the 5 second rule but grosser.

BronzeKoopa

https://twitter.com/ErrorJustin/status/936018989641211904

Direct link to video:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DOZTLOO/B01GUOG3B4?ref=dp_vse_rvc0
Goddamn.

Chanus

i think my only real regret in life is that instead of becoming a polymath i just know mostly how to swear and order food in like nine languages

Preacher

Mazzyx wrote: »

Preacher wrote: »

Damn it mazzy.

You jumped the gun boyo.

That's what she... no that's bad she would never say such a thing.

Chanus

which i mean how much more do you need but

SummaryJudgment

Chanus wrote: »

i think my only real regret in life is that instead of becoming a polymath i just know mostly how to swear and order food in like nine languages

Noooooon

Je ne regrette non....

SummaryJudgment

I regret my dumb human titan

I do not regret my Kara Starbuck Thrace hunter

Abdhyius

has anyone used google translate lately?

universal translators are going to suck ass for centuries

Coinage

I can't post in this thread even the Wikipedia article for Wittgenstein was about 20 times longer than I was willing to read

SummaryJudgment

Shit is so on fire I've gone round the bend into slap happy

And its effective!

Sometimes what you really need to do is just fucking hang in there and slap a fresh mag in, apparently

BronzeKoopa

Like shit I saved that folding table to my cart after watching that.

SummaryJudgment

Abdhyius wrote: »

has anyone used google translate lately?

universal translators are going to suck ass for centuries

Usually you have to pay good money for such a service

credeiki

Ok, this isn't the Nabokov essay I was looking for, but close enough:

https://newrepublic.com/article/113310/vladimir-nabokov-art-translation

@Evil Multifarious (you've probably read what Nabokov has to say about translation but I'd like to hear your take, what with you actually being a translator)

Here's probably the most interesting bit of the essay

I have lately tried to translate several Russian poets who had either been badly disfigured by former attempts or who had never been translated at all. The English at my disposal is certainly thinner than my Russian; the difference being, in fact, that which exists between a semi-detached villa and a hereditary estate, between self-conscious comfort and habitual luxury. I am not satisfied therefore with the results attained, but my studies disclosed several rules that other writers might follow with profit.

I was confronted for instance with the following opening line of one of Pushkin’s most prodigious poems:

Yah pom-new chewed-no-yay mg-no-vain-yay

I have rendered the syllables by the nearest English sounds I could find; their mimetic disguise makes them look rather ugly; but never mind; the “chew” and the “vain” are associated phonetically with other Russian words meaning beautiful and important things, and the melody of the line with the plump, golden-ripe “chewed-no-yay” right in the middle and the “m’s” and “n’s” balancing each other on both sides, is to the Russian ear most exciting and soothing—a paradoxical combination that any artist will understand.

Now, if you take a dictionary and look up those four words you will obtain the following foolish, flat and familiar statement: “I remember a wonderful moment.” What is to be done with this bird you have shot down only to find that it is not a bird of paradise, but an escaped parrot, still screeching its idiotic message as it flaps on the ground? For no stretch of the imagination can persuade an English reader that “I remember a wonderful moment” is the perfect beginning of a perfect poem. The first thing I discovered was that the expression “a literal translation” is more or less nonsense. “Yah pom-new” is a deeper and smoother plunge into the past than “I remember,” which falls flat on its belly like an inexperienced diver; “chewed-no-yay” has a lovely Russian “monster” in it, and a whispered “listen,” and the dative ending of a “sunbeam,” and many other fair relations among Russian words. It belongs phonetically and mentally to a certain series of words, and this Russian series does not correspond to the English series in which “I remember” is found. And inversely, “remember,” though it clashes with the corresponding “pom-new” series, is connected with an English series of its own whenever real poets do use it. And the central word in Housman’s “What are those blue remembered hills?” becomes in Russian “vspom-neev-she-yesyah,” a horrible straggly thing, all humps and horns, which cannot fuse into any inner connection with “blue,” as it does so smoothly in English, because the Russian sense of blueness belongs to a different series than the Russian “remember” does.

This interrelation of words and non-correspondence of verbal series in different tongues suggest yet another rule, namely, that the three main words of the line draw one another out, and add something which none of them would have had separately or in any other combination. What makes this exchange of secret values possible is not only the mere contact between the words, but their exact position in regard both to the rhythm of the line and to one another. This must be taken into account by the translator.

Finally, there is the problem of the rhyme. “Mg-no-vainyay” has over two thousand Jack-in-the-box rhymes popping out at the slightest pressure, whereas I cannot think of one to “moment.” The position of “mg-no-vain-yay” at the end of the line is not negligible either, due as it is to Pushkin’s more or less consciously knowing that he would not have to hunt for its mate. But the position of “moment” in the English line implies no such security; on the contrary he would be a singularly reckless fellow who placed it there.

Thus I was confronted by that opening line, so full of Pushkin, so individual and harmonious; and after examining it gingerly from the various angles here suggested, I tackled it. The tackling process lasted the worst part of the night. I did translate it at last; but to give my version at this point might lead the reader to doubt that perfection be attainable by merely following a few perfect rules.

I adore Nabokov.

Doodmann

How the fuck did they make that good of a video for a folding table? What kind of company throws that kind of thing into the budget?

navgoose

BronzeKoopa wrote: »

Like shit I saved that folding table to my cart after watching that.

It does all the expected things a table can do, but only in sappy montage.

nexuscrawler

my only regret is life is virtually everything

credeiki

Hah also from the introduction to the article, this quote about Nabokov

“Mr. Nabokov is in the habit of introducing any job of this kind which he undertakes by an announcement that he is unique and incomparable,” Wilson wrote in a 1965 review of Nabokov’s translation of Eugene Onegin, “and that everybody else who has attempted it is an oaf and an ignoramus.”

Eddy

Preacher wrote: »

Damn it mazzy.

IT'S "WOULD HAVE"

Jubal77

"Toss off you bloody wanker"

Universal Translator:

Dejame en paz.

BeNarwhal

Update on the domestic:

It has since left the house, which I suppose no longer makes it a domestic, strictly speaking.

I can't imagine spending my time in a relationship where we're screaming at each other every other day, though.

All that expended energy, gone forever, like tears in rain.

matt has a problem

https://i.imgur.com/aJ1XZFo.gifv

Which lead me to r/airplaneslideporn (porn used in the 'that's awesome' manner)

Which lead me to Alibaba where you can apparently just purchase as many airplane slides as you'd like for yourself!

Mazzyx

Also the google thing, though neat, is still computers.

Computers are not the best at nuance when it comes to this stuff. Language is nothing but nuance.

Casual Eddy

@AresProphet when do I get an exotic gun and which should I choose

SniperGuy

I thought the google translate ear buds worked pretty well? I haven't tried them but like halfway understanding the other person could still be massively useful.

Captain Ultra

I liked Encyclopedia Brown as a kid.

My dad had a set of books, The Mad Scientist Club, that was in that genre, but they were terrible.

Element Brian

i feel like that video could be done by a student for nearly free and it's good portfolio work for them

which is what im gonna assume is the case

Doodmann

Element Brian wrote: »

i feel like that video could be done by a student for nearly free and it's good portfolio work for them

which is what im gonna assume is the case

its more the amount of set-ups organization and people involved than the finished product.

SniperGuy

Somehow I missed the iOS calculator bug a month ago

Apparently for a time if you typed 1+2+3 you'd get...24.

Captain Ultra

I'm really quite hungry and I don't take lunch for another hour and a half or so.

this is less than ideal

Evil Multifarious

I think Nabokov's account there is interesting, though also very fuzzy and extremely subjective/individual. The implications and connections and valences of a word are a huge part of poetry (and the greatest difficulty in translating poetry), but they are also far from universal. I would say Nabokov is assigning them a lot more concrete universality than they perhaps should receive. That's kind of the difficulty of poetry. You're attempting to use very ephemeral tools to evoke, and those tools depend enormously upon the audience. You can't guarantee the effectiveness of your words in themselves.

Coinage

SniperGuy wrote: »

Somehow I missed the iOS calculator bug a month ago

Apparently for a time if you typed 1+2+3 you'd get...24.

I've done things in my life that were more than 4 times wrong

firewaterword

Hi from New Zealand, chat! Hope you are all doing well.

Aegis

I am either not looking in the right places, or it is especially hard to volunteer for political organizations here in Ontario.

The local provincial party was no help after signing up to say, "Hey, I'll volunteer!", receiving a phone call touching base to confirm my phone number, and then never hearing from them ever again in over a year.

matt has a problem

False god.

https://i.imgur.com/MAS9K9g.gifv

Mazzyx

Lunch was a salad with left over salmon patties on it.

Tasty but unsatisfying.