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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] NEVER NEVER NEVER ok

RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
edited December 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
So this archipelago

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Has these nations.

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These nations are almost completely (not) unique in that they're run by a system known as Politics!

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Run by these folk.

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These folk would rather they didn't.

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The Issue

After blowing the surest thing since bringing back the Wispa in calling a snap election, it really feels like Theresa May is trapped. Her cabinet are running around doing and saying stupid things, and she is less than powerless to stamp down on it. The only reason she hasn't been ousted is the Sword of Brussels danging over the throne's head. And on that all consuming issue of Brexit, David Davis has been sitting in the burning building saying this is fine, ignoring the elephant in the room that is the Irish border by suggesting meagre trade arrangements that don't seem to answer the question of whether I'll have to stop at a checkpoint to visit my nephews in Wicklow. Everybody says they don't want that to happen, but nobody is holding a position that would prevent that from happening. Meanwhile the DUP continues to have Respect, Honesty and Integrity and be equally unyielding, perhaps making the calcuation that a hard border will award them permanent ascendancy in Northern Ireland? I hope not.

Jeremy Hunt still rhymes with something. Paul Nutall is aptly named.

A spiffing place to keep up to date with the latest developments.

An Poblacht na hÉireann

I really need to start paying attention to the political situation down south, especially with that threatened and justified EU veto. It looked like there might be an election but now there isn't?

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A shockin' good place to see what the feck the craic is.

So, discuss the goings on in the Dail and the Commons!

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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    In today's reminder that one of the primary architects of Brexit remains truly insufferable;

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    Relatedly:



    (This was in relation to the Irish vote on the Lisbon treaty)

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    corbyn gave the queen a jar of his jam for her 90th

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    corbyn gave the queen a jar of his jam for her 90th

    I actually think she'd appreciate that

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    So this weekend the entirety of the government's Social Mobility Commission board quit on the basis of 'What's the fucking point, you're not even pretending any more.'

    The zombie government limps on.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    Relatedly:



    (This was in relation to the Irish vote on the Lisbon treaty)

    I'll file that one with his demand for parliamentary sovreignty shall I?

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    corbyn gave the queen a jar of his jam for her 90th

    what kind?

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    In today's reminder that one of the primary architects of Brexit remains truly insufferable;


    They're related to him

    They've suffered enough for two lifetimes

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    corbyn gave the queen a jar of his jam for her 90th

    what kind?

    Innovative.

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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    In today's reminder that one of the primary architects of Brexit remains truly insufferable;


    I feel like 100 years from now, this will be referenced as the reason that being hanged, drawn and quartered was brought back for a special one-time only PPV event.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I'm sorry is that Nigel Farage in a "Respect the Irish vote" shirt? And what's this about his pension?

    Great start thread, whoo.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    edited December 2017

    I really need to start paying attention to the political situation down south, especially with that threatened and justified EU veto. It looked like there might be an election but now there isn't?

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    No there isn't. I've got a summary of Who's Who on Page 2 of the last thread, which is still relevant.

    Also - HEADS UP EVERYONE! SAVE THE DATE!

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    Actually lemme just dump the Irish stuff here. Who do we have?

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    An Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar

    Leader of Fianna Gael. He's young! He's passionate! He's Ireland's first openly gay Taoiseach! He's the son of an Indian immigrant! He shot to fame during Ireland's Same Sex Marriage Referendum! Surely he is ushering in a glorious new age for the Irish political left?

    Not so much. He leans distinctly right of center, has been in the press a lot for his "crusade" against "social welfare fraud" and during his tenure as Minister for Health when a reporter questioned him on his anti-choice stance he a) didn't understand how women having to leave the country to have abortions could be seen as a class issue b) refused to see it as a class issue when the implications of abortion only being available to women who could afford the cost of the travel and procedure were explained to him and c) complained that they weren't supposed to be talking about abortion anyway because his interview was "supposed to be about health and politics."

    But that's okay, it's not like his party has an overall majority. Who is his coalition partner?

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    Minister for Transport, Sport and Tourism Shane Ross

    Leader of the Independent Alliance. He's not young! He's not openly gay! He's so Irish what's left of his hair is red! Instead he is a passionate, dedicated, loyal representative of those most voiceless of people! The... upper middle class...

    He doesn't lead a party exactly. Instead he's the spokesperson for a group of similarly minded Independent TDs who agreed to form a government with Fianna Gael in return for cabinet positions and attention brought to their various raisons d'être, a distinctly unstable arrangement that is holding together, so far... Though Leo Varadkar recently refused to test it by allowing a vote of confidence on his Tánaiste (Deputy PM) Frances Fitzgerald. She resigned to prevent the chance of an election being called. Simon Coveney is Tánaiste now.

    Shane Ross saw himself appointed as Minister for Transport at a time that saw strikes on Dublin Bus, Bus Eireann, Irish Rail and the LUAS tram system. He tackled this through the novel approach of ignoring every single one of those strikes and telling the various bodies involved to sort it out themselves.

    No, I am not kidding. That is literally what he did. He is currently pushing for us to put in a bid to host the Olympic Games.

    But that's okay, it's not like this rickety cobbled-together government is unopposed. Who is the leader of the opposition?

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    Fianna Fáil Leader, Micheál Martin

    He's been Minister for Education and Science! He's been Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment! He's been Minister for Health and Children! He's been Minister for Foreign Affairs! He didn't suck at any of them! Surely he's the man to turn to as an experienced statesman, a steady hand and a cool head for the rocky road ahead?

    He probably would be, if it weren't for the fact that he held every one of those positions as part of the government that mismanaged Ireland's economy so badly it sent us crashing to the brink of economic doom.

    But that's okay, it's not like Ireland has a two-party political system. Surely there's a third party we can turn to! Who leads the party with the next highest amount of Dáil seats?

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    (Retiring) Sinn Féin Leader, Gerry Adams

    Oh FFS! NEXT!

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    Labour (Ireland) Leader, Joan Burton

    Labour! At last! A left-wing party without a history of terrorism! Surely they have the best interests of the Irish people at heart? Surely they can take advantage of the Irish government's weakness to ensure the lower classes are considered in government policies?

    You'd think so, wouldn't you? Sadly the Labour party is suffering from what you might call "Lib Dem Syndrome." They went into government with Fianna Gael, rolled over on everything they were supposed to take seriously and helped them bring in a bunch of austerity policies that left the lower and lower middle classes struggling desperately in the fallout of the economic crash.

    Those are the biggies, but they're by no means the only parties out there.

    Solidarity, who used to be called The Anti Austerity Alliance / People Before Profit. They do exactly what it says on the tin, and they tend to do it loudly in public with protest signs.

    Independents 4 Change, who used to be called Independents for Equality Movement because rebranding is all the rage this year. Think of an Independent Alliance aimed at the lower and lower-middle classes. Their focus is on health, housing, jobs creation and dealing with Ireland's debt.

    Social Democrats Similar to Solidarity and Independents 4 Change, but much calmer. They're becoming an increasingly popular choice for those sick of the irony of a right leaning Labour party.

    And finally The Green Party who, like Labour, are suffering the after-effects of "Lib Dem Syndome", except unlike Labour, The Green Party went into government with the party that sent us crashing to the brink of economic doom.

    After that all you have left are the Independent TDs nobody wants to ally with. Like these guys.

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    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the political situation in Ireland, a country facing the fallout of Brexit, a housing crisis, a debt crisis, Garda corruption scandals, a weakening health service, increased pressure on social welfare, a struggle for basic reproductive rights and mounting tensions north of the border.

    What could possibly go wrong?

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Welcome to the new thread! Let's see, it's only been a day or so, we can't have missed that much...

    Tony Blair: Brexit puts NI peace process at risk
    It's quite depressing that the war criminal is still the best Prime Minister we've had in my lifetime.

    Nigel Farage defends Donald Trump's Britain First tweets
    I haven't watched the video because I refuse to listen to that man's voice unless someone's paying me, but:
    Speaking on the Andrew Marr Show, Nigel Farage has defended Donald Trump's retweeting of inflammatory tweets by saying he can't have known what he was doing.


    Social mobility board quits over lack of progress
    All four members of the board of the government's Social Mobility Commission have stood down in protest at the lack of progress towards a "fairer Britain".

    Ex-Labour minister Alan Milburn, who chairs the commission, said he had "little hope" the current government could make the "necessary" progress.

    The government was too focused on Brexit to deal with the issue, he said.

    The government said Mr Milburn's term had come to an end and it had already decided to get some "fresh blood" in.


    On the lighter side:
    MP Nadine Dorries defends 'shared password' tweet
    A Conservative MP has defended her cyber security arrangements after revealing she shares her login passwords with all her staff.

    Nadine Dorries said this included "interns on exchange programmes", triggering a backlash on Twitter.

    The Mid Bedfordshire MP had been defending Conservative First Secretary of State Damian Green.

    A Cabinet Office inquiry is examining claims pornography was found on a computer in Mr Green's Parliamentary office.

    Ms Dorries was questioning a retired police officer's claim that Mr Green must have been responsible for material found on his computer.
    Honestly, this level of computer security has me surprised that it wasn't Amber Rudd.


    And my personal favourite:
    No Brexit unless we back Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt says
    There will be no Brexit at all unless Theresa May is supported, a cabinet minister has warned.

    Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said it was not about a choice between "this Brexit and that Brexit".

    He was speaking as leading Brexit campaigners issued demands for Mrs May before agreeing any payments to the EU, including ending the European court's jurisdiction the moment the UK leaves.

    He said: "I think there's an even bigger point here, that the choice we face now is not between this Brexit and that Brexit; if we don't back Theresa May we will have no Brexit - and she is doing an unbelievably challenging job amazingly well."

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    It's a strange word we live in when Jeremy Rhymes With is the only one bringing us hope.

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    101101 Registered User regular
    Corbyn probably wouldn't stop brexit if he was in power

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    101 wrote: »
    Corbyn probably wouldn't stop brexit if he was in power

    Corbyn definitely wouldn't. He'd likely make it a soft Brexit.

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    FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    Nigel Farage basically calling Trump incompetent is making me chuckle a lot harder than it should.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    It's a strange word we live in when Jeremy Rhymes With is the only one bringing us hope.

    Strange bedfellows indeed.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    man, Shane Ross is a dead ringer for most of my cousins and uncles on the Irish side of my family

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Theresa May fails to strike border deal with Irish government
    Theresa May and the Irish government have failed to reach a deal on the crucial Brexit issue of the Northern Ireland border ahead of a crunch meeting on Monday lunchtime with the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker.

    Despite intense efforts over the weekend to agree a proposal on how to avoid a hard border in Ireland, Irish officials revealed at midnight on Sunday that “there is still a way to go” to achieve a meeting of minds on the issue.

    ...

    The failure to seal a deal threatens to delay the progression of the Brexit negotiations to the second phase covering trade and the UK’s future relationship with the EU.

    ...

    May had been given the deadline of Monday 4 December to table the offers before a European council summit on 14 December, when EU leaders will decide if “sufficient progress” has been made to proceed to the next phase.

    Hands up if you're surprised.

    *crickets*

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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    RTE reporting that Northern Ireland will remain in the single market/customs union.

    It's rather remarkable that the closest thing to a united Ireland has been a result of little Englanders rather than Irish nationalists

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    hot off the rumour press



    irish sea hard border incoming

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    So Northern Ireland will still be bound by EU regulations? That seems problematic.


    BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

    Editor for RTE

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    What's the DUP gonna say about being cut off from the rest of the UK?

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    Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    The UK Government has conceded on every single issue to date. We don't hold any cards except the ones the EU give to us.

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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    I can imagine they might be a touch peeved

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    The UK is Britta saying "ok, bluff called" over and over.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    What's the DUP gonna say about being cut off from the rest of the UK?

    Probably some variant of "Never! Never! Never!" again. As with everything else it's best to ignore them.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
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    (Sorry mainlanders)

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    A point I'm seeing bought up: if NI gets that, would Scotland ask for the same?

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    A point I'm seeing bought up: if NI gets that, would Scotland ask for the same?

    Possibly, but the geographic and historical context is pretty different.

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    oh there you are thread.

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    pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    So Northern Ireland will still be bound by EU regulations? That seems problematic.


    BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

    Editor for RTE

    "BREAKING: UK" is pretty appropriate.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Step 1: Concede no regulatory divergence for EU and NI

    Step 2: Announce that in order to maintain good relations with Northern Ireland, there will be no regulatory divergence between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK

    Step 3: Hope nobody joins the dots

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    New thread title: NEVER NEVER NEVER ok

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    pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    None of this matters. Liam Fox has identified a new market to save the UK post-Brexit:

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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    By the calibre of negotiations, I half expect to find us signed up to the Euro by the time things are through

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    Help! My bassoon is jammed!

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