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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    snoke should show up in the han solo movie as some fairly pleasant, unassuming guy, who gets horrifically disfigured and has his life ruined in a comedy scene

    Okay, but, can we have the comedy scene end with Snoke being eaten by the sarlacc?

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    DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    snoke should show up in the han solo movie as some fairly pleasant, unassuming guy, who gets horrifically disfigured and has his life ruined in a comedy scene

    Okay, but, can we have the comedy scene end with Snoke being eaten by the sarlacc?

    i don't see why not

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Speaking of paper, I really felt weirded out that the term "pageturner" appeared in this movie, as a thing in the Star Wars universe, which relies on holodisplaycyberbooks without physical pages forever

    Is.... is this a bit?

    No.
    I don't recall seeing a physical book in any of the Star Wars movies, certainly not in Luke's lifetime

    e: it just seems like an insertion of a term that we as an audience are familiar with, but it doesn't really fit in the world that has been established so far. Even in the prequels they say "what in the blazes" instead of just going with "what the hell". Obviously it's not as bad as that terrible, terrible can-you-hear-me-now "joke", but it's a weird thing to me.

    I can't tell if you are talking about angels or ducks.

    Yup, "are you an angel" is even dumber. I don't know what the duck thing is about, it's been referenced a few times in this thread...?

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Speaking of paper, I really felt weirded out that the term "pageturner" appeared in this movie, as a thing in the Star Wars universe, which relies on holodisplaycyberbooks without physical pages forever

    Is.... is this a bit?

    No.
    I don't recall seeing a physical book in any of the Star Wars movies, certainly not in Luke's lifetime

    e: it just seems like an insertion of a term that we as an audience are familiar with, but it doesn't really fit in the world that has been established so far. Even in the prequels they say "what in the blazes" instead of just going with "what the hell". Obviously it's not as bad as that terrible, terrible can-you-hear-me-now "joke", but it's a weird thing to me.

    I can't tell if you are talking about angels or ducks.

    Yup, "are you an angel" is even dumber. I don't know what the duck thing is about, it's been referenced a few times in this thread...?

    The line "we're sitting ducks" is uttered more than once throughout the films.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Ah, right! Just in the prequels though, I think? At least only Phantom Menace comes to mind. Which, you know, that being prequel writing, does not make a great case for it imo

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It's in the Phantom Menance, and it makes for one of the better wookiepedia articles whee they justify the existence of the line by putting ducks on Naboo.

    The Angels line they can explain away by saying that angels are beautiful aliens, but ducks are native to Naboo, baby.

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    Sir PlatypusSir Platypus Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Speaking of paper, I really felt weirded out that the term "pageturner" appeared in this movie, as a thing in the Star Wars universe, which relies on holodisplaycyberbooks without physical pages forever

    Is.... is this a bit?

    No.
    I don't recall seeing a physical book in any of the Star Wars movies, certainly not in Luke's lifetime

    e: it just seems like an insertion of a term that we as an audience are familiar with, but it doesn't really fit in the world that has been established so far. Even in the prequels they say "what in the blazes" instead of just going with "what the hell". Obviously it's not as bad as that terrible, terrible can-you-hear-me-now "joke", but it's a weird thing to me.

    Not to be a dick, but Han straight up says "Then I'll see you in hell" in Empire.

    Hearing Yoda say "pageturner" weirded me out as well, though.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Wookiepedia retroactively justifying lazy writing doesn't make it more palatable to me personally

    /shrug

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    FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    Isn't there a whole thing in the ANH novelisation where Obi-wan sescribes something like a sitting duck and Luke is "What's a duck?", because on Tatooine, they don't have water, you see, so Obi-wan just chuckles at Luke's redneck desert farmhick ignorance?

    Someone told that to me once, and, having never bothered reading that particular film novelisation, but being familiar with how shit they are in general, I found it completely believable.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Fishman wrote: »
    Isn't there a whole thing in the ANH novelisation where Obi-wan sescribes something like a sitting duck and Luke is "What's a duck?", because on Tatooine, they don't have water, you see, so Obi-wan just chuckles at Luke's redneck desert farmhick ignorance?

    Someone told that to me once, and, having never bothered reading that particular film novelisation, but being familiar with how shit they are in general, I found it completely believable.

    Yes, that's part of the "Legends" entry of the "duck" entry on wookiepedia.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Wookiepedia retroactively justifying lazy writing doesn't make it more palatable to me personally

    /shrug

    Oh no, he acting is bad an the line is still terrible (but Han does say "Then I'll see you in hell in Empire")

    The thing is, you aren't thinking about the Empire line because these things don't exist in a vacuum, just like nobody cares that "the biggest plot hole in Star Wars is in A New Hope," because you're being entertained during that scene and there's no urge to nitpick.

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    FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    Fishman wrote: »
    Isn't there a whole thing in the ANH novelisation where Obi-wan sescribes something like a sitting duck and Luke is "What's a duck?", because on Tatooine, they don't have water, you see, so Obi-wan just chuckles at Luke's redneck desert farmhick ignorance?

    Someone told that to me once, and, having never bothered reading that particular film novelisation, but being familiar with how shit they are in general, I found it completely believable.

    Yes, that's part of the "Legends" entry of the "duck" entry on wookiepedia.

    Now also revealing I didn't read the Wookipedia article, but am familiar with how shit they are in general, and find it completely believable.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Fishman wrote: »
    Fishman wrote: »
    Isn't there a whole thing in the ANH novelisation where Obi-wan sescribes something like a sitting duck and Luke is "What's a duck?", because on Tatooine, they don't have water, you see, so Obi-wan just chuckles at Luke's redneck desert farmhick ignorance?

    Someone told that to me once, and, having never bothered reading that particular film novelisation, but being familiar with how shit they are in general, I found it completely believable.

    Yes, that's part of the "Legends" entry of the "duck" entry on wookiepedia.

    Now also revealing I didn't read the Wookipedia article, but am familiar with how shit they are in general, and find it completely believable.

    Yup. There is a "canon" duck section and a "legends" duck section, thanks to the EU being double murdered now, the legends section is extra large.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    This is probably my favorite Snoke thing

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    This is probably my favorite Snoke thing

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    If that was true, that would be amazing.


    Also India has bidets in most toilets. It's a weird thing to get used to (in the UK, its toilet paper as well) but you really do get a better clean with water

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Kind of my point?

    Right, I’m sure the guy who has actually turned a page in his life is gonna be all “whuh” when Yoda references turning pages.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    This is probably my favorite Snoke thing

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    I liked the one where he was the little blond youngling from order 66

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    One thing I've always been wondering: since the Rule of Two specifically states "only two Sith Lords", does that mean there can be lesser Sith?

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    One thing I've always been wondering: since the Rule of Two specifically states "only two Sith Lords", does that mean there can be lesser Sith?

    Generally yes
    They fudge the rule of two a lot

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Also they may not use books anymore by now but Yoda and Luke clearly would both have reasons to know what they are, and probably most of the galaxy too!

    We don't use clay tablets or wax cylinders anymore but you've heard of them and we all know they were used in the past

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    ALSO also, you know they aren't actually speaking English in this galaxy, you can chalk up basically any familiar phrase to having been translated to an idiom we would understand, and not worry about goofy Wookieepedia articles if you don't wanna

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    One thing I've always been wondering: since the Rule of Two specifically states "only two Sith Lords", does that mean there can be lesser Sith?

    Generally yes
    They fudge the rule of two a lot

    It's fudged in KOTOR by saying that everyone can have an apprentice.

    So there is only two there.

    And only two there, and there and there.

    It's silly, but makes more sense than, there can only be two.

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    the rule of two is stupid

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    I wonder how the fact that we're having all this talk about paper and lightsaber styles and space ducks makes the people feel who get dunked on for saying that Snoke should've had more backstory

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I wonder how the fact that we're having all this talk about paper and lightsaber styles and space ducks makes the people feel who get dunked on for saying that Snoke should've had more backstory

    Come on, man, can we not start it up

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    AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    I forget about the rule of two a lot but I always thought it didn't exist until sometime between the KOTOR and prequel trilogy era

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Blake T wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    One thing I've always been wondering: since the Rule of Two specifically states "only two Sith Lords", does that mean there can be lesser Sith?

    Generally yes
    They fudge the rule of two a lot

    It's fudged in KOTOR by saying that everyone can have an apprentice.

    So there is only two there.

    And only two there, and there and there.

    It's silly, but makes more sense than, there can only be two.

    Also in Rebels and the current Vader comic, Palpatine has all those Inquisitors, and they're either lesser Sith or just non Sith dark side users, which seems to violate the spirit of the rule either way

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I forget about the rule of two a lot but I always thought it didn't exist until sometime between the KOTOR and prequel trilogy era

    It didn't exist until Phantom Menace, I feel

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    I always took Yoda's statement in The Phantom Menace to be more philosophical than an actual reference to the structure of the Sith Order

    But apparently the Rule of Two is still canon

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    AshcroftAshcroft LOL The PayloadRegistered User regular
    Did the term, 'Sith' even exist before TPM?

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    I always took Yoda's statement in The Phantom Menace to be more philosophical than an actual reference to the structure of the Sith Order

    But apparently the Rule of Two is still canon

    see I would agree in the sense of "there's never just one"

    but the next part of the line is "no more, no less" which is just asinine goofery that nothing engages with and no sith actually follows

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    It doesn't make sense either way

    The Rule of Two was instituted after the Sith went into hiding, why would Yoda know

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    I always took Yoda's statement in The Phantom Menace to be more philosophical than an actual reference to the structure of the Sith Order

    But apparently the Rule of Two is still canon

    see I would agree in the sense of "there's never just one"

    but the next part of the line is "no more, no less" which is just asinine goofery that nothing engages with and no sith actually follows

    Its just PR put out by the Sith that the Jedi believe because they are all dopes

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Ashcroft wrote: »
    Did the term, 'Sith' even exist before TPM?

    It was apparently in the screenplay and in the novelization, as a title for Darth Vader ("Dark Lord of the Sith")

    Much like we have "Master of the Knights of Ren" right now

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    It doesn't make sense either way

    The Rule of Two was instituted after the Sith went into hiding, why would Yoda know

    I don't mean as like, a sith motto above the sith hearth

    but as a way of thinking to relate that users of the dark side often ensnare and evangelize other susceptible folks, in their particular way. "if one has popped up then they're likely not alone"

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Ashcroft wrote: »
    Did the term, 'Sith' even exist before TPM?

    It was in the original screenplay for the first movie but never ended up being said, and was used in the EU
    TPM was the first on screen mention

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    I always took Yoda's statement in The Phantom Menace to be more philosophical than an actual reference to the structure of the Sith Order

    But apparently the Rule of Two is still canon

    see I would agree in the sense of "there's never just one"

    but the next part of the line is "no more, no less" which is just asinine goofery that nothing engages with and no sith actually follows

    Its just PR put out by the Sith that the Jedi believe because they are all dopes

    the greatest trick the third sith ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.....

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    PeccaviPeccavi Registered User regular
    Sith are like deer. It's not the one you see that you have to worry about, it's the one behind that one that's going to fuck you up.

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    JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    Peccavi wrote: »
    Sith are like deer. It's not the one you see that you have to worry about, it's the one behind that one that's going to fuck you up.

    ...

    clever doe

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I always took Yoda's statement in The Phantom Menace to be more philosophical than an actual reference to the structure of the Sith Order

    But apparently the Rule of Two is still canon

    see I would agree in the sense of "there's never just one"

    but the next part of the line is "no more, no less" which is just asinine goofery that nothing engages with and no sith actually follows

    Well, Yoda learned that a Sith master existed and did dick all to try to find them, so maybe he's just really shitty with Sith lore?

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