I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
I've read everything Gibson has done, I think, and found a lot to enjoy in all of them. His last one had interesting stuff but a plot that seemed to present almost no peril for the protagonist at all, so it fell a bit flat.
I kinda love how most of his plots start with someone just finding a thing they shouldn't have found.
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
Get out of here dad.
*turns up the eagles*
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I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
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Mr. Spool I've been watching you for a while. This is the second time you've been non cynical. One more optimistic or non snide dismissal and you'll lose your card sir. No more GenX powers like apathy or slacking!
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i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
I finished my undergraduate degree in 2008
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
It's literally discussed as "pre recession" and "post recession" when it comes to hiring in academia
like, if you were trying to get a job with a PhD up to 2007, you'd be courting multiple offers with spousal accommodation even without a postdoc, and post-recession people have literally run the statistics and the only thing that correlates with job offers in academia is number of applications sent out
and also the rise of adjunct positions at universities
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
FREEZE
GenX Police!
Mr. Spool I've been watching you for a while. This is the second time you've been non cynical. One more optimistic or non snide dismissal and you'll lose your card sir. No more GenX powers like apathy or slacking!
man, whatever. No fucking surprise the genX cops show up for me, I knew this whole thing was a sham. I guess I'll stop being optimistic later.
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
If you're under the age of like 30-32 the world has never as an adult shown you anything other than anxiety, neglect, and uncertainty.
If the relative propserity of the Boomer's time turned then into this it'll be interesting to see what we end up as.
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I've read everything Gibson has done, I think, and found a lot to enjoy in all of them. His last one had interesting stuff but a plot that seemed to present almost no peril for the protagonist at all, so it fell a bit flat.
I kinda love how most of his plots start with someone just finding a thing they shouldn't have found.
I really love his latest book, there was tension and release, and actually I love his other books. The only ones of his that I was kinda meh about were the bridge trilogy, more specifically Idoru. The rest of his books are just outstanding.
Every now and again I remember one of my high school teachers talking about how she triumphed over her husband's drinking habits and convinced him to quit for the health of their family.
Except his "drinking habits" consisted of drinking one or two beers during or after yardwork, always outside and from a locked fridge, because he'd already lost the fight to have them "in the house." And he was convinced to stop drinking by, basically, an ultimatum to leave because she didn't want alcohol anywhere near her kids, ever.
It's just really striking to me how her opinion of alcohol was so low (or her opinion of turned-from-the-evils-of-alcohol stories was so high) that presenting an absurd threat for a by her own admission totally mild and controlled drinking habit was still somehow heroic.
(Also one of her kids went totally off the wall post high-school and the other is a ridiculous straight edge who seems to have stress induced health problems, natch)
man I remember being a young kid and wondering if the contrails in the sky were missiles and this was the end. That shit was real for us.
I don't think you need to have been born prior to the collapse of the soviet union (to be clear, I was, but I was very small, so) in order to feel and enjoy soviet themes.
The police state/paranoia/disappearance/bureaucracy themes in Master and Margarita are visceral and horribly chilling even if you didn't live it
And then having read and internalize that, you can go on to feel the resonance in other works that are maybe less well-written but still draw on those feelings
In general, you don't have to have personally experienced the themes, events, or settings in a work or game in order to be profoundly affected and moved by them, or in order to feel like they are relevant to you
It is also worth making a point that no-one here has personally experienced it, either
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
it's hard to make such a broad judgement, but i think it's very plausible to argue that life is poor for most people on the planet
also this is one of the core conflicts between real progressivism and real conservatism: the idea that, even in privileged societies like ours, "normal" working class life is actually far worse than it should be, because of wealth hoarding and etc.
like, sure, we're not digging in the dirt looking for worms for soup
but we can look around and see how much better things could be if there weren't a bunch of greedy assholes running the show
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
dude that's just 5 years and the job market is on fire right now!
I've had my retirement deleted twice by bubbles bursting - moaning how tough it was during 50% of the recent recessions does not resonate!
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
I am sick as shit of the WORLD HAS GONE TO SHIT thing
no it fucking hasn't jesus christ calm the fuck down
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
If you're under the age of like 30-32 the world has never as an adult shown you anything other than anxiety, neglect, and uncertainty.
If the relative propserity of the Boomer's time turned then into this it'll be interesting to see what we end up as.
Every now and again I remember one of my high school teachers talking about how she triumphed over her husband's drinking habits and convinced him to quit for the health of their family.
Except his "drinking habits" consisted of drinking one or two beers during or after yardwork, always outside and from a locked fridge, because he'd already lost the fight to have them "in the house." And he was convinced to stop drinking by, basically, an ultimatum to leave because she didn't want alcohol anywhere near her kids, ever.
It's just really striking to me how her opinion of alcohol was so low (or her opinion of turned-from-the-evils-of-alcohol stories was so high) that presenting an absurd threat for a by her own admission totally mild and controlled drinking habit was still somehow heroic.
(Also one of her kids went totally off the wall post high-school and the other is a ridiculous straight edge who seems to have stress induced health problems, natch)
tbf let me tell you about how prohibition was a successfully public health policy
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
it's hard to make such a broad judgement, but i think it's very plausible to argue that life is poor for most people on the planet
also this is one of the core conflicts between real progressivism and real conservatism: the idea that, even in privileged societies like ours, "normal" working class life is actually far worse than it should be, because of wealth hoarding and etc.
Right. The best way to measure the quality of existence is by what you're capable of having vs what you actually wound up with.
I think millennialism is more about how the societal structures of old are outmoded, not that world suk
postulating outmoded societal structures does result in some terrifying shit though, like post-truth cults of flat earth, anti-vaxx, fake news, etc etc
oh and insane neo-futurist political ideologies that decree ominous purges for societal hygiene, but more importantly flat earthers
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
dude that's just 5 years and the job market is on fire right now!
I've had my retirement deleted twice by bubbles bursting - moaning how tough it was during 50% of the recent recessions does not resonate!
job market on fire
yet
wages in the toilet
things are fucked up
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
dude that's just 5 years and the job market is on fire right now!
I've had my retirement deleted twice by bubbles bursting - moaning how tough it was during 50% of the recent recessions does not resonate!
"Just 5 years" is quite significant when it's 50% of your working life.
Neuromancer has plenty of issues but, like, it was his first novel? Super impressive. I should actually read more of his stuff. IIRC he's an interesting dude based on interviews.
Every Gibson book is fun to read and delightfully well-written. He is so stylish...
I suspect you might prefer the 'future from the '00s ' series--Pattern Recognition, Spook Country, Zero History--to the 'future from the 80s' or 'future from the 90s' series (neuromancer, count zero, mona lisa overdrive; virtual light, idoru, all tomorrow's parties). The Peripheral is cool, too.
Pattern Recognition is the only other one I've read, but I really enjoyed it. Need to read more Gibson.
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
dude that's just 5 years and the job market is on fire right now!
I've had my retirement deleted twice by bubbles bursting - moaning how tough it was during 50% of the recent recessions does not resonate!
your retirement would only have actually been deleted if you had pulled out at the bottom, which would have been a panic mistake, but not at all the same thing as never even having the opportunity to build retirement in the first place
the 2001 recession was absolutely nothing like the most recent one unless you put all your money in pets.com
i imagine how much you think the world sucks right now at least in part depends on what point of your life you were experiencing between 2007 and 2012
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
dude that's just 5 years and the job market is on fire right now!
I've had my retirement deleted twice by bubbles bursting - moaning how tough it was during 50% of the recent recessions does not resonate!
Spool has managed to make two different retirements, has lost them both, and yet still seems to be doing pretty well.
I don't think I'll ever have enough money to be considered a retirement available to get deleted.
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that's the thing though - it doesn't suck.
I kinda love how most of his plots start with someone just finding a thing they shouldn't have found.
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Get out of here dad.
*turns up the eagles*
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GenX Police!
Mr. Spool I've been watching you for a while. This is the second time you've been non cynical. One more optimistic or non snide dismissal and you'll lose your card sir. No more GenX powers like apathy or slacking!
like, say, if you had just graduated college and were thrown into a world that had fallen apart under the weight of the excesses of your parents' generation, i suspect you would think everything sucks more than others might
there is a pretty clear dividing line between people who had ample opportunity in their 20s and those who haven't
I finished my undergraduate degree in 2008
Everything is ashes
Nihilistic capitalism?
It's literally discussed as "pre recession" and "post recession" when it comes to hiring in academia
like, if you were trying to get a job with a PhD up to 2007, you'd be courting multiple offers with spousal accommodation even without a postdoc, and post-recession people have literally run the statistics and the only thing that correlates with job offers in academia is number of applications sent out
and also the rise of adjunct positions at universities
Dank meme capitalism?
man, whatever. No fucking surprise the genX cops show up for me, I knew this whole thing was a sham. I guess I'll stop being optimistic later.
If I feel like it.
2009 here and yehp
If you're under the age of like 30-32 the world has never as an adult shown you anything other than anxiety, neglect, and uncertainty.
If the relative propserity of the Boomer's time turned then into this it'll be interesting to see what we end up as.
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Except his "drinking habits" consisted of drinking one or two beers during or after yardwork, always outside and from a locked fridge, because he'd already lost the fight to have them "in the house." And he was convinced to stop drinking by, basically, an ultimatum to leave because she didn't want alcohol anywhere near her kids, ever.
It's just really striking to me how her opinion of alcohol was so low (or her opinion of turned-from-the-evils-of-alcohol stories was so high) that presenting an absurd threat for a by her own admission totally mild and controlled drinking habit was still somehow heroic.
(Also one of her kids went totally off the wall post high-school and the other is a ridiculous straight edge who seems to have stress induced health problems, natch)
It is also worth making a point that no-one here has personally experienced it, either
afaik no-one here grew up in the DDR
it's hard to make such a broad judgement, but i think it's very plausible to argue that life is poor for most people on the planet
also this is one of the core conflicts between real progressivism and real conservatism: the idea that, even in privileged societies like ours, "normal" working class life is actually far worse than it should be, because of wealth hoarding and etc.
like, sure, we're not digging in the dirt looking for worms for soup
but we can look around and see how much better things could be if there weren't a bunch of greedy assholes running the show
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
dude that's just 5 years and the job market is on fire right now!
I've had my retirement deleted twice by bubbles bursting - moaning how tough it was during 50% of the recent recessions does not resonate!
I am sick as shit of the WORLD HAS GONE TO SHIT thing
no it fucking hasn't jesus christ calm the fuck down
*checks birthday*
The math here doesn't check out.
Right. The best way to measure the quality of existence is by what you're capable of having vs what you actually wound up with.
postulating outmoded societal structures does result in some terrifying shit though, like post-truth cults of flat earth, anti-vaxx, fake news, etc etc
oh and insane neo-futurist political ideologies that decree ominous purges for societal hygiene, but more importantly flat earthers
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
this is a serious question
and, more appropriately
which job markets are A. on fire, B. paying a decent wage with bennies and C. don't have an overabundance of overqualified applicants
job market on fire
yet
wages in the toilet
things are fucked up
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
"Just 5 years" is quite significant when it's 50% of your working life.
Education!
Wait, no, on fire means good, nevermind.
Pattern Recognition is the only other one I've read, but I really enjoyed it. Need to read more Gibson.
your retirement would only have actually been deleted if you had pulled out at the bottom, which would have been a panic mistake, but not at all the same thing as never even having the opportunity to build retirement in the first place
the 2001 recession was absolutely nothing like the most recent one unless you put all your money in pets.com
spool often mentions how you can go become an undersea welder in the gulf of mexico as an example
Spool has managed to make two different retirements, has lost them both, and yet still seems to be doing pretty well.
I don't think I'll ever have enough money to be considered a retirement available to get deleted.