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Fire and Fury - Trump/Bannon Love is Over?
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Fire and Fury is the title of Michael Wolff's new book about the goings on in the Trump White House.
It is not complimentary to Donald J Trump.
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Furthermore, one Steve Bannon, former CHIEF STRATEGIST to the Trump White House, and grand poobah of Breitbart, is quoted in it, calling the Donald Jr meeting with Russians treasonous, and saying that there's no way Trump Sr didn't know about it.
This has provoked Trump to issue a statement:
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Which would be whatever, since he's said many of the same things about another one of his besties, Roger Stone, except that it seems like his feelings really were hurt this time.
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Try to keep it to all things horrifying relating to or fallout from Fire and Fury stuff. Horrifying quotes and anecdotes, yes. General Trump nonsense, no. Specifically Russian investigation stuff goes in the Russian investigation thread.
Ahem.
Now that the tax crap is passed, and betrayal of any kind of populist thought is complete, time to eat each other. Or perhaps Bannon is trying to upend the ESTABLISHMENT so that his brand of wingnuts can take over the Republican party. So many options, all of them horrible. What fun.
Fire and Fury is the title of Michael Wolff's new book about the goings on in the Trump White House.
It is not complimentary to Donald J Trump.
CNBC Reporter
Furthermore, one Steve Bannon, former CHIEF STRATEGIST to the Trump White House, and grand poobah of Breitbart, is quoted in it, calling the Donald Jr meeting with Russians treasonous, and saying that there's no way Trump Sr didn't know about it.
This has provoked Trump to issue a statement:
Time Magazine reporter
Which would be whatever, since he's said many of the same things about another one of his besties, Roger Stone, except that it seems like his feelings really were hurt this time.
Bloomberg Reporter
Try to keep it to all things horrifying relating to or fallout from Fire and Fury stuff. Horrifying quotes and anecdotes, yes. General Trump nonsense, no. Specifically Russian investigation stuff goes in the Russian investigation thread.
Ahem.
Now that the tax crap is passed, and betrayal of any kind of populist thought is complete, time to eat each other. Or perhaps Bannon is trying to upend the ESTABLISHMENT so that his brand of wingnuts can take over the Republican party. So many options, all of them horrible. What fun.
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Nazi killing Americans on American soil doesn't involve Trump personally, therefore doesn't rank high in his priorities to respond to.
Also, Nazis are his supporters and admirers and the Americans they killed are his opponents, so he has a hard time understanding why that's a bad thing at all.
Bannon lost more than his job when Trump fired him. He lost his fame and his place in the national spotlight. To Trump, that may be the same thing as losing one's mind.
I for one have never heard the 2015-2016 GOP candidates described in those words.
...because he's dumb and doesn't realize that the fall of the Soviet Union (or any other number of things) disproves this nonsense.
The last line about spurning people that want to tear everything down further implicates a Bannon rival writing that instead of Trump...
Mitch McConnell is the senate majority leader
The tweet itself is pretty dumb, but I think demonstrates the glee he is feeling now that there is a wedge between Trump and Bannon. I mean, this is an idiotic reaction, really, but par the course for the Republican Party, I suppose.
Next Fox and Friends is going to be interesting.
...At least, assuming they don't just completely ignore this whole thing, which is almost certainly what'll happen.
Ehhhhh... I'd argue that bannon had some amount of credibility amongst conservatives on the internet if only because he was the successor to Breitbart and has kept that site running at a decent clip.
What's really interesting to me about this whole thing is whether or not Steve is willing to stand up for himself in the wake of trump's rebuke and risk doing a schism.
Correction, Michael Wolf has a new book out where he interviewed a whole bunch of whitehouse staff, this Bannon stuff is just the first to come out publicly so far. There will likely be more scandalous passages and insane Trump reactions to follow.
Trump is due to pivot any day now... just wait for it. Aaaaaaany day now.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html
Isn't there another book as well? This is just day 1 of the week of leaks from this book. I completely get your point that I don't know what this thread would be beyond cackling over gossip though. Well that and a quarantine zone for said gossip.
It’s amazing how they all continue to assume “surely, Trump won’t possibly turn against me” when he’s shown over and over that he will attack anyone at the drop of a hat if he can save his own ass by doing so.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
If I was in McConnell's shoes, I'd be terrified. He's already looking at a midterm where his party is underwater, and now there's a possible schism that could divide support when he needs unity.
If not here then where?
These are quotes from Bannon during interviews by the author of the book.
I get the impression that this is a wedge between trump and a segment of the base, and assuming this can translate into a larger percentage it's more likely to force trump to have to come to paul and Mitch for support.
Or at least that's what a rational politician would do, trump is just as likely to decided to Migrate to Newfoundland, build a nest and try to attract a mate before entering into a hibernation period for the rest of the winter.
Michael Wolff doesn't even have the most sterling of reputations either, but instead of ignoring it, or simply calling it a fabrication, Trump instead has to punch back at damn near EVERYTHING. If Bannon wasn't pissed at him before, you can bet that after being called a lunatic, he is now. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.
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I need this to be true.
There are no words.
And it ain’t even a Friday.
I guess we can take that as official confirmation that yes, Bannon WAS fired because he was getting press that deemed him the secret power behind the throne.
Nobody is allowed to outshine Trump's Ego.
We really need to be using this information/tactic more.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Trump was a means to an end for Bannon. He was a useful idiot. Bannon thought he could use his access to Trump to manipulate him into literally destroying the government. Trump's whole "drain the swamp" schtick was just for votes. Bannon actually means it. Now that Bannon is out, Trump's just another target to bring down for him.
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If this is all true, these interviews / book deal was done long before that. Is there anything in this thing that says what dates we're talking about here? Either way, I don't think this is a response to that.
I think there's still way too many people looking at Bannon as some kind of mastermind strategist. He's probably a little smarter and less crazy than Alex Jones, but I'm not sure it's by much.
Remember when Reince Priebus left? Trump blamed him for the leaks, rather conclusively. But hey when you're throwing people under the bus who gives a shit about consistency or being right about anything at all!
This has been the big takeaway for me as well. I'm curious what had the most impact though: News stories, or the SNL sketch when Bannon was sitting at the Resolute Desk?
It may be that not every new development in the ongoing car crash that is American political life gets its own thread or fits into an existing one. Some topics may descend quickly into a general Trump Is A Bad Person thread for want of content, indicating their brief mayfly life is over.
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Walsh was basically the Chief of Staff for the transition team. Follow ups have her allegedly claiming that it's misattributed to her, when it was Bannon who said it. No official word has been put out though, and even Ward (Yahoo news source relaying her claim) hedges, saying that she may be panicked over it. Could be them scapegoating all bad press onto Bannon now. Or just super weird panic now that Trump has granted it legitimacy.
Then why didn't he call the FBI immediately?
It would be amazing and horrifying if he had tapes of even half this stuff.
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McConnell is definitely twisting the knife and trying to create a schism if there wasn't already one.
I wonder if he didn't realize he words were going to show up in a book. (It might explain how Brietbart seems to be caught off guard. You'd think they'd have the "Trump is an establishment sell-out" article ready to go for awhile now.) It just feels so 0-to-60.
EDIT: Also, McConnel really needs to learn when to shut up and let somebody light themselves on fire on their own. Poking the bear now will just galvanize the anti-establishment GOPers who may have become disenchanted by a Trump/Bannon schism.