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Fire and Fury - Trump/Bannon Love is Over?

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  • mcpmcp Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/they-thought-this-was-going-to-be-a-positive-book
    “The communications team urged all of the senior advisors to cooperate. They thought this was going to be a positive book for the President.”
    There is video in the link.

    Trump really hires the best people.
    That insinuates that these people looked around at the madness and thought things were going a-okay.

    It could have been a positive book for the President, yes. Though, it turns out that his whole administration is bat shit fucking crazy.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    The Trump response to Bannon was obviously deeply unprofessional in concept alone, but I was surprised at how coherent it was. It's probably not a good thing that I don't expect this administration, the most powerful people in the world, to be able to draft competent copy.

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    Like, they couldn't grasp that the man Who they let wander around unescorted might be critical of them and that he would simply ignore when people were verbally shitting on each other.

    Richy wrote: »
    But I think the resistance I’m getting more has to do with “rawr! Loklar said it! Rage!” than anything else.

    No, it has to do with the fact that you're done nothing but throw lies, blatant flasehoods, and downright dumb statements at us so far.
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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    The Trump response to Bannon was obviously deeply unprofessional in concept alone, but I was surprised at how coherent it was. It's probably not a good thing that I don't expect this administration, the most powerful people in the world, to be able to draft competent copy.

    He has the best people, the best, to draft it for him.

    That is actually what I think happened. He went to (probably his lawyers) and had them draft a statement he could put on twitter. He is deeply stupid, but he knows that sometimes you have to let actual grownups take the wheel. Its why none of his buildings have collapsed yet, he got actual architects to draw them and actual construction workers to build them.

    If he had gone on the half-cocked 140 twitter rant as is his wont even the republicans would have jumped ship.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Bannon has been speedbumped with alacrity:
    The Mercer family, which had largely subsidized Mr. Bannon’s enterprises, began drifting from Mr. Bannon months ago amid concerns about how the controversy he was generating was affecting the family, according to family associates. The Mercers were upset further when they learned that Mr. Bannon had privately boasted that they would back him if he ran for president, according to one family associate. The Mercers cut off their funding for Mr. Bannon’s personal protective detail, the associate added.

    That last part is more "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest" than I feel comfortable about.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    So wait Bannon had a protective detail paid for by his pocket billionare? That's alarming.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    The Trump response to Bannon was obviously deeply unprofessional in concept alone, but I was surprised at how coherent it was. It's probably not a good thing that I don't expect this administration, the most powerful people in the world, to be able to draft competent copy.

    It was shockingly coherent, but the Trumpiness shone through since it was also a massive brag about how Trump won all the elections ever.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    So wait Bannon had a protective detail paid for by his pocket billionare? That's alarming.

    Yeah, that part is new to me and also just...what?

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    So wait Bannon had a protective detail paid for by his pocket billionare? That's hilarious.

    Like seriously: the man was a gold farmer and the editor of a glorified blog. The idea that he needed a protective detail is absurd, that it was paid for by a bunch of billionaires though is comedy gold.

    And like the real kind, not the sort you can get an exchange of $5.35 us dollars= 40k on Moon Guard.

    Richy wrote: »
    But I think the resistance I’m getting more has to do with “rawr! Loklar said it! Rage!” than anything else.

    No, it has to do with the fact that you're done nothing but throw lies, blatant flasehoods, and downright dumb statements at us so far.
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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    The gold farming thing is not on topic

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    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Bannon is widely hated and not all “our side” are rational, so a bodyguard isn’t a crazy idea. Someone might decide they wanted to punch a crypto-Nazi.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Bannon is widely hated and not all “our side” are rational, so a bodyguard isn’t a crazy idea. Someone might decide they wanted to punch a crypto-Nazi.

    Yeah, I feel like a bullseye just got put on his back.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Tube wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

    Maybe, but I dunno. He's come down ~10 points in approval among Republicans since last year (god, how has it not even been a full year?) so this could possibly help either solidify that lower ceiling to his support or cause even more abandonment.

    I'm sure there will be even more interesting bits getting coverage after tomorrow that might do even more. Especially since the only group, outside Republicans, that he's above water with are Evangelical Protestants.

    http://www.people-press.org/2017/12/07/stark-partisan-divisions-over-russia-probe-including-its-importance-to-the-nation/

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Bannon is widely hated and not all “our side” are rational, so a bodyguard isn’t a crazy idea. Someone might decide they wanted to punch a crypto-Nazi.

    He strikes me as being the sort that wouldn't be caught dead in an environment where he isn't overwhelmingly confident that he is surrounded by "his people", hence why I question the point of a bodyguard.

    Richy wrote: »
    But I think the resistance I’m getting more has to do with “rawr! Loklar said it! Rage!” than anything else.

    No, it has to do with the fact that you're done nothing but throw lies, blatant flasehoods, and downright dumb statements at us so far.
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    moniker wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

    Maybe, but I dunno. He's come down ~10 points in approval among Republicans since last year (god, how has it not even been a full year?) so this could possibly help either solidify that lower ceiling to his support or cause even more abandonment.

    I'm sure there will be even more interesting bits getting coverage after tomorrow that might do even more. Especially since the only group, outside Republicans, that he's above water with are Evangelical Protestants.

    His approval has been pretty stable over the short to medium term. If I can come up with a narrative to dismiss this within seconds(I can: "It's just lies, liberal propaganda") I don't think it's going to make a big difference. This book is interesting for what it is, but I wouldn't expect it to be a significant turn in the narrative.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    If they approve of him doesn't really matter

    If they'd actually stay home if he was running against a Dem does.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

    Maybe, but I dunno. He's come down ~10 points in approval among Republicans since last year (god, how has it not even been a full year?) so this could possibly help either solidify that lower ceiling to his support or cause even more abandonment.

    I'm sure there will be even more interesting bits getting coverage after tomorrow that might do even more. Especially since the only group, outside Republicans, that he's above water with are Evangelical Protestants.

    His approval has been pretty stable over the short to medium term. If I can come up with a narrative to dismiss this within seconds(I can: "It's just lies, liberal propaganda") I don't think it's going to make a big difference. This book is interesting for what it is, but I wouldn't expect it to be a significant turn in the narrative.

    I doubt it will make a big difference, but it might make one on the margin. At this point his approval number is almost entirely coming from self identified Republicans, and even there it is lower than it used to be. Those people would probably have snapped back closer to an election, but now they might not. But that's entirely speculation. It will be interesting to see what other juicy bits come out, because when your base of support is already narrow keeping wedges out of the fissures becomes that much more important.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
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    Tube wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

    Maybe, but I dunno. He's come down ~10 points in approval among Republicans since last year (god, how has it not even been a full year?) so this could possibly help either solidify that lower ceiling to his support or cause even more abandonment.

    I'm sure there will be even more interesting bits getting coverage after tomorrow that might do even more. Especially since the only group, outside Republicans, that he's above water with are Evangelical Protestants.

    His approval has been pretty stable over the short to medium term. If I can come up with a narrative to dismiss this within seconds(I can: "It's just lies, liberal propaganda") I don't think it's going to make a big difference. This book is interesting for what it is, but I wouldn't expect it to be a significant turn in the narrative.

    The book just kind of sensationalizes what's already been reported on at exhaustive length; that they're all in it for themselves and they all think Trump is an imbecile.

    As far as his approval goes, the only thing on the horizon that I see really affecting it is DACA, and that's assuming it goes anywhere. This definitely won't. It's nothing new, and too easy/simple to dismiss. Sour grapes from already fired employees. He's already at basically rock bottom for all Dems and independents. He's starting to turn softer Rs into Is, masking a small (but significant) drop there as well. In the past though, his big hits are when he does things that piss off the hard Rs, and that's always been stuff like trying to work with Democrats.

    As a side note though, I expect his approval to actually tick upward slightly because Gallup is one of the biggest in all the aggregate stuff, and they're massively overhauling their methodologies at the moment, and the new ones are going to skew WAAAAY whiter and WAAAY more affluent.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    There are good faith reasons for anyone to doubt a lot of what Wolff has written. There's no reason to think a support base that is perfectly comfortable denying observable reality would be swayed by it.

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    I think Bannon is not a person who inspires loyalty, not even with Breitbart's base, and he's probably realizing that by now. I don't know how much control he has over Breitbart's content, but the stories I'm seeing on there now make me suspect that Trump has won this fight.

    Of course, this book was never about Bannon, he's just the biggest name who was willing to talk shit on record for some reason. Far more damning than his quotes are the overall picture the book paints about Trump and his administration. I don't expect anything to happen in the political world because of this book. It'd be interesting to know whether the book will result in a meaningful shift in public attitude towards Trump (and thus future elections), but I doubt we'll ever really know that for sure.

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    I think Bannon is not a person who inspires loyalty, not even with Breitbart's base, and he's probably realizing that by now. I don't know how much control he has over Breitbart's content, but the stories I'm seeing on there now make me suspect that Trump has won this fight.

    Of course, this book was never about Bannon, he's just the biggest name who was willing to talk shit on record for some reason. Far more damning than his quotes are the overall picture the book paints about Trump and his administration. I don't expect anything to happen in the political world because of this book. It'd be interesting to know whether the book will result in a meaningful shift in public attitude towards Trump (and thus future elections), but I doubt we'll ever really know that for sure.

    Bannon overestimates his own abilities, and he outlived his usefulness to Trump. That's all. He got him elected. But only Bannon is interested in ideological policymaking. Trump just wants to be constantly praised and adored and he doesn't entirely care who delivers that to him. So now that establishment Republicans are all aboard the Trump train, Bannon is extra useless.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    .
    Tube wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

    Maybe, but I dunno. He's come down ~10 points in approval among Republicans since last year (god, how has it not even been a full year?) so this could possibly help either solidify that lower ceiling to his support or cause even more abandonment.

    I'm sure there will be even more interesting bits getting coverage after tomorrow that might do even more. Especially since the only group, outside Republicans, that he's above water with are Evangelical Protestants.

    His approval has been pretty stable over the short to medium term. If I can come up with a narrative to dismiss this within seconds(I can: "It's just lies, liberal propaganda") I don't think it's going to make a big difference. This book is interesting for what it is, but I wouldn't expect it to be a significant turn in the narrative.

    The book just kind of sensationalizes what's already been reported on at exhaustive length; that they're all in it for themselves and they all think Trump is an imbecile.

    As far as his approval goes, the only thing on the horizon that I see really affecting it is DACA, and that's assuming it goes anywhere. This definitely won't. It's nothing new, and too easy/simple to dismiss. Sour grapes from already fired employees. He's already at basically rock bottom for all Dems and independents. He's starting to turn softer Rs into Is, masking a small (but significant) drop there as well. In the past though, his big hits are when he does things that piss off the hard Rs, and that's always been stuff like trying to work with Democrats.

    As a side note though, I expect his approval to actually tick upward slightly because Gallup is one of the biggest in all the aggregate stuff, and they're massively overhauling their methodologies at the moment, and the new ones are going to skew WAAAAY whiter and WAAAY more affluent.

    There are things going on that really should be hurting his popularity among the crazier conservatives as well. Did any of them notice how hard he dropped the ball on the transgender military ban, or is this another case where they cheered that they won but then stopped paying attention or caring?

  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited January 2018
    The one true hope I can glean from Bannon's seeming rapid descent towards persona non grata-ville thanks to this book is the hope that this puts him in a petty and vengeful mood.

    I want him talking. I want him burning bridges. I want him salting the earth on everyone he feels has betrayed him.

    I want him spilling every bean he's ever even heard of. I want him to flail on the way down and grab coattails and anything he can get his grubby little hateful fingers on and pull them down with him.

    I'm not sure if Mueller would actually be able to use him in an official legal capacity, but god if this bastard's downfall could have its own little entourage it would make my year.

    This is me hoping for the fences here.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    I think Bannon is not a person who inspires loyalty, not even with Breitbart's base, and he's probably realizing that by now. I don't know how much control he has over Breitbart's content, but the stories I'm seeing on there now make me suspect that Trump has won this fight.

    Of course, this book was never about Bannon, he's just the biggest name who was willing to talk shit on record for some reason. Far more damning than his quotes are the overall picture the book paints about Trump and his administration. I don't expect anything to happen in the political world because of this book. It'd be interesting to know whether the book will result in a meaningful shift in public attitude towards Trump (and thus future elections), but I doubt we'll ever really know that for sure.

    Bannon overestimates his own abilities, and he outlived his usefulness to Trump. That's all. He got him elected. But only Bannon is interested in ideological policymaking. Trump just wants to be constantly praised and adored and he doesn't entirely care who delivers that to him. So now that establishment Republicans are all aboard the Trump train, Bannon is extra useless.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Of course, this book was never about Bannon, he's just the biggest name who was willing to talk shit on record for some reason.

    Is he, though? Or is he just the most recognizable name in the excerpts out so far? I doubt Rex Tillerson was the only person calling Trump a dumbass within earshot of other people, for instance.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    The one true hope I can glean from Bannon's seeming rapid descent towards persona non grata-ville thanks to this book is the hope that this puts him in a petty and vengeful mood.

    I want him talking. I want him burning bridges. I want him salting the earth on everyone he feels has betrayed him.

    I want him spilling every bean he's ever even heard of. I want him to flail on the way down and grab coattails and anything he can get his grubby little hateful fingers on and pull them down with him.

    I'm not sure if Mueller would actually be able to use him in an official legal capacity, but god if this bastard's downfall could have its own little entourage it would make my year.

    This is me hoping for the fences here.

    I don't think that would actually matter though. The more outwardly anti-Trump he becomes, the more he cements his place as another member of the fake news. He might even become toxic to Breitbart if he's not careful. Nobody actually likes or trusts Bannon, not even the alt right.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    moniker wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Of course, this book was never about Bannon, he's just the biggest name who was willing to talk shit on record for some reason.

    Is he, though? Or is he just the most recognizable name in the excerpts out so far? I doubt Rex Tillerson was the only person calling Trump a dumbass within earshot of other people, for instance.

    For example, the book claims Murdoch called Trump a "fucking idiot."

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    The one true hope I can glean from Bannon's seeming rapid descent towards persona non grata-ville is the hope that this puts him in a petty and vengeful mood.

    I want him talking. I want him burning bridges. I want him salting the earth on everyone he feels has betrayed him.

    I want him spilling every bean he's ever even heard of. I want him to flail on the way down and grab coattails and anything he can get his grubby little hateful fingers on and pull them down with him.

    I'm not sure if Mueller would actually be able to use him in an official legal capacity, but god if this bastard's downfall could have its own little entourage it would make my year.

    This is me hoping for the fences here.

    Pretty much everyone is turning on Bannon in this Trump/Bannon spat (Even Bannon has quickly put out "No, wait, the President is really awesome you guys!" statement). There's no way he burns that bridge unless he wants to entirely set his career on fire. He has nowhere to go except for alt-right news, so if that goes, his career is entirely done for.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    The Mercers all but hung a target on him. His career is done.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    .
    Tube wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Really, this whole fisasco should effectively end any illusions of trump's credibility; not simply because a man wrote a scathing book about what the situation was like in the white house, but rather that the white house staff assumed that the situation was either normal or that Wolfe was going to be positive about what he was seeing.

    If there are people for whom he still has credibility I don't think this will move the needle

    Maybe, but I dunno. He's come down ~10 points in approval among Republicans since last year (god, how has it not even been a full year?) so this could possibly help either solidify that lower ceiling to his support or cause even more abandonment.

    I'm sure there will be even more interesting bits getting coverage after tomorrow that might do even more. Especially since the only group, outside Republicans, that he's above water with are Evangelical Protestants.

    His approval has been pretty stable over the short to medium term. If I can come up with a narrative to dismiss this within seconds(I can: "It's just lies, liberal propaganda") I don't think it's going to make a big difference. This book is interesting for what it is, but I wouldn't expect it to be a significant turn in the narrative.

    The book just kind of sensationalizes what's already been reported on at exhaustive length; that they're all in it for themselves and they all think Trump is an imbecile.

    As far as his approval goes, the only thing on the horizon that I see really affecting it is DACA, and that's assuming it goes anywhere. This definitely won't. It's nothing new, and too easy/simple to dismiss. Sour grapes from already fired employees. He's already at basically rock bottom for all Dems and independents. He's starting to turn softer Rs into Is, masking a small (but significant) drop there as well. In the past though, his big hits are when he does things that piss off the hard Rs, and that's always been stuff like trying to work with Democrats.

    As a side note though, I expect his approval to actually tick upward slightly because Gallup is one of the biggest in all the aggregate stuff, and they're massively overhauling their methodologies at the moment, and the new ones are going to skew WAAAAY whiter and WAAAY more affluent.

    There are things going on that really should be hurting his popularity among the crazier conservatives as well. Did any of them notice how hard he dropped the ball on the transgender military ban, or is this another case where they cheered that they won but then stopped paying attention or caring?

    The not-Evangelical zealots part of the right-wing get that they lost the culture war on LGBT acceptance and abortion and are happy with whatever scraps Trump can get (like more conservative judges on the bench). Which is why they resent said Evangelical zealots for trying to make losing positions the basis of the platform and lose winnable elections (like Alabama) for it. "More interested on grifting on the Evangelical circuit than winning!". Same principle of Dems kind of not making gun control THE issue.

    Overall, if politics is the art of the possible, then sucessful politicians (and political figures) are the ones that can deliver results. Trump, Pence, Kelly, Sessions and Miller deliver results. Bannon, Nehlen, Spencer, Moore and Milo don't. So, the base rallies around the former and repudiates the latter.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing to Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    One of the things in this book that made me really skeptical was the full length verbatim conversation between Bannon and Ailes.

    Turns out my skepticism might have been misplaced.



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  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    It seems like Bannon may have committed the cardinal, unforgivable sin: telling the truth. You don't get to go back to the Ministry of Truth after doing that.

    It is amazing that no one seemed to bother with the "fake news" excuse, like with Tillerson's calling Trump a moron earlier. It's not like it being easily disprovable has stopped them from using that tactic before. Them trying to sue and use the BS NDAs just is going to have the Streisand Effect and make people more interested in seeking out the dirt.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited January 2018
    The Mercers all but hung a target on him. His career is done.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Where are you guys seeing the thing about Bannon's PPD? It isn't in any of the articles linked recently, unless those have been revised, and as was mentioned that's the kind of Beckettian WTFery that should be getting a bit more notice.

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/breitbart-owners-debate-ousting-bannon-amid-trump-feud-1515100110

    This may well be the end of the line for Bannon. If he loses Breitbart he has no claim to relevance left, unless he ends up being involved in Russia or something which I doubt.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I guess conservatives care more about money than racism after all.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    I guess conservatives care more about money than racism after all.

    Conservative establishment? Oh yeah, race baiting is just a better electoral strategy than "let us sell your granny for parts"

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/breitbart-owners-debate-ousting-bannon-amid-trump-feud-1515100110

    This may well be the end of the line for Bannon. If he loses Breitbart he has no claim to relevance left, unless he ends up being involved in Russia or something which I doubt.

    Article is paywalled.

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited January 2018
    I still feel that Bannon was just a different flavor of shitty and probably had nothing to do with Russia.

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