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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I'd really like to see Sean go in a general sense because I don't like him much as a character. He's had a few good moments but otherwise I'm not sure he adds much.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I don't like any of the times where they feel the need to subvert Marc Evan Jackson's whole thing

    like that texting bit from last episode felt like throwing away the character's integrity just for a small gag

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Shawn is weird

    He was introduced as an impartial judge who goes into a cocoon at emotions

    That's... wrong? That's not what he is at all, he's a demon manager

    It just bothers me when the rest of the show is so consistent

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Shawn is weird

    He was introduced as an impartial judge who goes into a cocoon at emotions

    That's... wrong? That's not what he is at all, he's a demon manager

    It just bothers me when the rest of the show is so consistent

    ? That was a lie they told the humans,
    I don't ... I don't get why that's an inconsistency, he's always been a demon, we just didn't know that until the end of s1

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    I'm not sure I understand. He was playing a part, same as Vicky and Michael

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    Shawn is weird

    He was introduced as an impartial judge who goes into a cocoon at emotions

    That's... wrong? That's not what he is at all, he's a demon manager

    It just bothers me when the rest of the show is so consistent

    ? That was a lie they told the humans,
    I don't ... I don't get why that's an inconsistency, he's always been a demon, we just didn't know that until the end of s1

    I'll be honest, I didn't catch that that was part of the lie, I must have just missed it

    That makes more sense

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The person Sean was introduced as being still has not appeared on the show

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    The only element of his guise that has been ported over, besides his appearance, is his special cocoon power (like how he trapped Vicky in one).

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    The only element of his guise that has been ported over, besides his appearance, is his special cocoon power (like how he trapped Vicky in one).

    Well, also his role in the story is still that he has power over Michael and scares him

    Which makes sense, lies being more believable when they’re closer to the truth and all

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    YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    poor Jason

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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2018
    YaYa wrote: »
    poor Jason

    I dunno, the molotov cocktail moment they gave him was one of the most beautiful payoffs I've seen in a long time.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    ceres wrote: »
    YaYa wrote: »
    poor Jason

    I dunno, the molotov cocktail moment they gave him was one of the most beautiful payoffs I've seen in a long time.
    Jacksonville is not going to the Super Bowl, I think is what's being implied here.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    The only element of his guise that has been ported over, besides his appearance, is his special cocoon power (like how he trapped Vicky in one).

    Well, also his role in the story is still that he has power over Michael and scares him

    Which makes sense, lies being more believable when they’re closer to the truth and all

    There's been surprisingly little that's been an outright lie, since the beginning of the series.

    Much of what Michael said about himself in season 1 turned out to be true. He IS an architect, this IS his first neighborhood, architects often DON'T live in the neighborhoods they create, and he DOES need it to go well, or he'll face retirement, which seems to be exactly what he said it was. He's just a Bad Place architect, instead of a Good Place one.

    There IS a judge whos job it is to mediate who gets to go to the Good Place or Bad Place. He's just not the guy who showed up.

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    ceres wrote: »
    Janet does have that self-defense protocol... the one that makes her emotionally beg for her life with fake children. If she's with Michael and Michael is legitimately threatened she could pop out and do... something. Whatever she's now evolved enough to do.

    That would be a pretty great call-back if she starts trying to guilt-trip the demons.

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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    ceres wrote: »
    Janet does have that self-defense protocol... the one that makes her emotionally beg for her life with fake children. If she's with Michael and Michael is legitimately threatened she could pop out and do... something. Whatever she's now evolved enough to do.

    That would be a pretty great call-back if she starts trying to guilt-trip the demons.

    Probably would not work, but might give them enough pause for something to come along. Also I don't know anything about football teams so any joke reliant on said knowledge is going to catapult itself right over my head.

    I seriously have no idea when I last said to myself (or anyone else within earshot) "I need it to be next Thursday night right now." Shipping Eleanor and Michael in my head, I don't think I've really "shipped" anyone in like... good lord 17 years, wtf, time? I feel like I should be sitting in a nightshirt at my friend's house listening to Tori Amos and Rancid while we giggle about Mulder and Scully. ...lol, jk. I could never get my friends to listen to that stuff with me.

    Out of curiosity, has anyone here read Terry Pratchett's FaustEric? Chidi's suggestion could have been lifted directly from that book.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
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    cabsycabsy the fattest rainbow unicorn Registered User regular
    until recently I had no idea Jason yelling BORTLES was someone's name and I thought Jason was just too stupid to know how to say BOTTLES

    which honestly doesn't really make sense either but I mean, Jason

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    ceres wrote: »
    Janet does have that self-defense protocol... the one that makes her emotionally beg for her life with fake children. If she's with Michael and Michael is legitimately threatened she could pop out and do... something. Whatever she's now evolved enough to do.

    That would be a pretty great call-back if she starts trying to guilt-trip the demons.

    Janet has some kind of offensive ability or they wouldn't have a reboot button in case she goes nuts

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    cabsy wrote: »
    until recently I had no idea Jason yelling BORTLES was someone's name and I thought Jason was just too stupid to know how to say BOTTLES

    which honestly doesn't really make sense either but I mean, Jason

    I think you have this in common with Jameela Jamil

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    ceres wrote: »
    ceres wrote: »
    Janet does have that self-defense protocol... the one that makes her emotionally beg for her life with fake children. If she's with Michael and Michael is legitimately threatened she could pop out and do... something. Whatever she's now evolved enough to do.

    That would be a pretty great call-back if she starts trying to guilt-trip the demons.

    Probably would not work, but might give them enough pause for something to come along.

    Oh, it definitely wouldn't work, I just meant as a joke.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    cabsy wrote: »
    until recently I had no idea Jason yelling BORTLES was someone's name and I thought Jason was just too stupid to know how to say BOTTLES

    which honestly doesn't really make sense either but I mean, Jason

    I think you have this in common with Jameela Jamil

    This is a good post.

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    JansonJanson Registered User regular
    Since living in the US for 9 years I’ve lost the ability to distinguish between certain US and English accents.

    Most of the time I can tell Tahani’s accent is English because it’s a somewhat exaggerated/uncommon English accent but when she was switching between accents this episode I couldn’t tell when she was putting on a US accent vs an English accent.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Pass the Nascar ketchup

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    PiotyrPiotyr Power-Crazed Wizard SilmariaRegistered User regular
    Nearly two seasons in, and every character has made significant progress except Chidi.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Most shocking development from this episode: Marc Evan Jackson does not have a good evil laugh

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Chidi's test was one of the best character-based jokes I've seen in ages. I laughed for like a minute straight

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I love that I have no fucking clue where each episode is going.

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    BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    I lost it at "but was it the right hat?"

    The way he leaned in and asked was comedic perfection

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    I love that I have no fucking clue where each episode is going.

    My assumption for the end of the season:
    They get a new place, to be used to reform people and prepare them for the real Good Place. Eleanor and Michael are put in charge.

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    ThroThro pgroome@penny-arcade.com Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I love that I have no fucking clue where each episode is going.

    My assumption for the end of the season:
    They get a new place, to be used to reform people and prepare them for the real Good Place. Eleanor and Michael are put in charge.

    It will be a long fun road to get there, but I don't see how this show ends any other way besides inventing purgatory.

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Thro wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I love that I have no fucking clue where each episode is going.

    My assumption for the end of the season:
    They get a new place, to be used to reform people and prepare them for the real Good Place. Eleanor and Michael are put in charge.

    It will be a long fun road to get there, but I don't see how this show ends any other way besides inventing purgatory.
    Yeah I feel like Michael’s gonna pitch making a purgatory soul rehab for redeemable souls and that he will be the architect and the gang will be the teachers/guides.

    But then again so far nearly nothing has been predictable so who knows.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Michael's explanation about his failure is touching
    He finally gets it even if he doesn't quite understand it. Even the "worst" people will help each other at the cost of themselves.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I would legit say that Michael's development as a character is in the top 3 ever in a TV show.

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I love that I have no fucking clue where each episode is going.

    My assumption for the end of the season:
    They get a new place, to be used to reform people and prepare them for the real Good Place. Eleanor and Michael are put in charge.


    I think it's definitely heading there, not sure when. Could be next, could be the final story arc or season or even episode

    If it's NOT that, my second guess for what's next is:

    Michael stressed that you can only get to the Good Place by being a good person on Earth, so maybe the judge will sentence them to Earth

    Maybe as ghosts, maybe some kind of time travel thing where they get a second chance at their last few days or last year or something

    Michael and Janet have to learn to live as humans

    I do feel like they've fleshed out too many Earth-bound characters (Eleanor's boyfriend and mom, Kamila, Pillboy) to not have the gang meet them again after all they've learned, and while some (or all, depending on how much time has passed) of them could show up in the afterlife, Michael's statement about Earth felt important

    My third guess is that they lead a revolution against the entire Good/Bad Place system, since it's so unforgiving and the show seems to know that, as much as it also knows that its characters were not initially good people

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Piotyr wrote: »
    Nearly two seasons in, and every character has made significant progress except Chidi.

    Which makes sense, he's been so focused on improving everyone else that he neglected his own betterment.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    Janet passing off as Bad Janet was such a triumphant moment. I'm also glad Tahani got to confront her parents in a roundabout way, that felt like a watershed moment for her.

    Also: "You spent 86 minutes deciding on a hat!"

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    depending on how much time has passed

    Michael Schur gave an interview that touched on this at the beginning of season 2.
    About how much time passed in season one before Michael wiped everyone’s memories? And given that only a week had passed in Version 802, how different are these versions of the characters from the ones we got to know last season? Should we assume that there is no Eleanor/Chidi/Tahani love triangle at the moment, for instance?

    We figured that the events of S1 took somewhere around four months of “time.” (Michael then reboots them 801 more times, the longest lasting 11 months and the shortest being 8 seconds…we calculated that the median length was probably in that 4-month range, so the total length of all of the reboots is somewhere around 250-300 years.) The important thing is that the humans completely refresh with every reboot, so there is no residual feeling of “I know you from somewhere…” In this latest version, #802, they’ve only known each other for a week, so they’re around maybe where they were in episode four of last year. You can assume that their relationships and dynamics are roughly where they were in the episode where Eleanor first spent a day with Tahani, and stole her diary. (Of course, now Eleanor also has some very advanced information about how things have played out with her and Chidi in other reboots, as well.)

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Right, what I mean is whether 300 years have passed on Earth or not

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Right, what I mean is whether 300 years have passed on Earth or not

    I kind of get the sense that a lot of time hasn't passed on Earth if only because of all of the pop culture references by the divine beings.

    It isn't too absurd for the after-life to move/operate at a far different time than Earth.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    I could see a quantum leap scenario. They are all sent to earth in the shape of other people to show how they’ve changed. We and they see each other as themselves.

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