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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Just wondering if everyone has forgotten
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It's out of left field with how she's been written since then, because Blizzard's writers straight up don't do consistent or subtle.
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It's out of left field with how she's been written since then, because Blizzard's writers straight up don't do consistent or subtle.
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It is precisely out of left field BECAUSE she totally forgave them. The issue is entirely ‘how did she get from there to here?’
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It's out of left field with how she's been written since then, because Blizzard's writers straight up don't do consistent or subtle.
She's been written since then????
Wasn't she in some Legion questline for the Alliance?
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It's out of left field with how she's been written since then, because Blizzard's writers straight up don't do consistent or subtle.
She's been written since then????
Wasn't she in some Legion questline for the Alliance?
how angry we all were that Yrel apparently totally forgave the Iron Horde slaughtering her people and literally taking their souls because Grommash said he was sorry and cut a piece off a Felguard that he didn't even help to kill?
I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It's out of left field with how she's been written since then, because Blizzard's writers straight up don't do consistent or subtle.
She's been written since then????
Wasn't she in some Legion questline for the Alliance?
Nope!
Yeah, she basically went from "We will rebuild Draenor together." to "I'm bored, time to forcibly convert some orcs." with nothing to explain it except "Well, it has been 35 years lol."
It feels more and more like Blizzard just discovered the idea of moral relativism and are fully intent on shoving it down our throats no matter how badly it fits with established characters.
God damn it, I liked the initial idea of naaru being these creatures of quite distinctive dual nature and the light/dark lifecycle they gave them. But I guess a lot of people still think it's only good and "mature" storytelling if you make everything same shade of gray. Ugh.
It's bad because Yrel will probably end up dying in a dungeon or something while Garrosh will be whistling innocently, avoiding any and all punishment for WoD as a whole.
Grom got to lose two sons: the alternate one he never knew until he had already died, and the one who goes Lightsworn.
But really, given just about every major Orc character they've introduced since Vanilla has gone villain and ended up as a dungeon or raid boss (or both) I'm having trouble feeling anything for Yrel's fate.
It's bad because Yrel will probably end up dying in a dungeon or something while Garrosh will be whistling innocently, avoiding any and all punishment for WoD as a whole.
garrosh who was responsible for wod stuff died already though
do you mean grom?
It's the Garrosh from the WoD world, child of the Grommash we fought against/with. There's been a time skip so he's now an adult and his father was killed by Yrel during that time
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
It's the Garrosh from the WoD world, child of the Grommash we fought against/with. There's been a time skip so he's now an adult and his father was killed by Yrel during that time
Correction: Grom is still alive. He had a son named Garrosh, who has joined with the Lightbound.
Durotan and Draka had a daughter named Geya'rah (Mag'har racial leader), and it was Durotan who was killed by the Lightbound (not Yrel specifically).
It's the Garrosh from the WoD world, child of the Grommash we fought against/with. There's been a time skip so he's now an adult and his father was killed by Yrel during that time
And this is why we don't do @&$#& time travel Blizzard, FFS!
The Army of the Light has always been on the defensive since they have always gone against the Burning Legion, which is an evil army with endless numbers. But the Legion isn't there anymore, and the revolutionary turned into dictator is far too common.
Then again, I'm enjoying this because quite a bit of posters on forums have been all "The Draenei should just use their super space guns and blow the fuck out of the primitive, savage, unredeemably evil Orcs (and Forsaken)", to put it mildly, and now are looking how that actually looks like.
yes this is unironically me
bring on the space lasers
mostly though I'm just happy yrel is back; it seemed really silly to spend an expansion developing a character and then just abandon it, given how starved they are for actual new characters
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I mean let's not be so hasty as to declare her back
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
Yrel
She doesn't seem to make an actual physical appearance during the scenario, so there's always the possibility that she has been imprisoned by the more zealous evildoers and are just using her name because she's popular with the masses.
Even if that isn't the plan right now, it might become the plan if Blizzard notices that changing her into a villain isn't a popular choice.
She doesn't seem to make an actual physical appearance during the scenario, so there's always the possibility that she has been imprisoned by the more zealous evildoers and are just using her name because she's popular with the masses.
Even if that isn't the plan right now, it might become the plan if Blizzard notices that changing her into a villain isn't a popular choice.
So Yrel as a "god-emperor of mankind" sort of deal? I could see that. Make their actual leader some turncoat Sargerai who came back so dedicated to giving off the image "Hey guy, I wasn't really doing all that stuff" that he's now totally overboard in the opposite direction. I did notice back in WOD and Legion that the two "calm" races of the factions, Tauren and Draenei, have certain traits. When a Draenei gets rash and hotheaded, they get REALLY rash and hotheaded. When a Tauren goes skull-shattering, cackling evil, they go REALLY skull-shattering, cackling evil.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited May 2018
I feel like the problem with faction lore always comes back to the Forsaken. They should have been treated like the Silithid, an eminent regional threat that keeps coming back in Azeroth's far fringe, rather than a faction. Goblins should have been the fourth original race with the neutral towns being horde quest hubs.
Then, at least, I could see some parity in political balance. But as time goes on, it's harder and harder to reconcile the Forsaken as anything but evil NPCs each expansion and tying them to the Horde makes for really shitty choices on the party of Horde leadership that makes very little sense to me.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
I think it would be kind of cool if they delve a little more into the whole light being pretty crazy too. Like there is a pretty close parallel between the light and the void. Everything with the void is all this is destiny it has been foretold kind of stuff (whispers of the old gods, ilgynoth, knaifu, etc.), while the light also has their prophecies and ideology (xera talking to illidan). They are actually really close in how they operate and think. I don't really see why we couldn't come to the conclusion that all of these things are batshit crazy and we need to not play with either of them. That AU draenor is basically just flipped roles for the light and void makes the comparison more interesting because they don't sound like they are much different at all.
I feel like the problem with faction lore always comes back to the Forsaken. They should have been treated like the Silithid, an eminent regional threat that keeps coming back in Azeroth's far fringe, rather than a faction. Goblins should have been the fourth original race with the neutral towns being horde quest hubs.
Then, at least, I could see some parity in political balance. But as time goes on, it's harder and harder to reconcile the Forsaken as anything but evil NPCs each expansion and tying them to the Horde makes for really shitty choices on the party of Horde leadership that makes very little sense to me.
I always felt like that. At the very least if playable they should be like death knights, with a quest to prove yourself to either faction so they don’t kill you on sight. It makes no sense that the horde would keep accepting them as a group after all their shit over the years, much less put them in charge.
You know, with all this talk about "the Light is maybe not good," it's a good thing that there isn't a faction that has to feed off the energy the Light provides for them.
*looks at the blood elves and the Sunwell*
...wait, shit...
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
You know, with all this talk about "the Light is maybe not good," it's a good thing that there isn't a faction that has to feed off the energy the Light provides for them.
*looks at the blood elves and the Sunwell*
...wait, shit...
I mean there are two entire player classes based on it. Even if the Light turns out to be bad, by the end of the expansion they'll find a wholesome version of it or something.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited May 2018
So I am now only 4k away from Void Elf unlock. Thinking mage, priest, or rogue.
What do you all think? The teleport is pretty great sounding, but the no magic pushback sounds like it might make playing a caster actually fun.
I don't think the Light is bad, its just like any other power. Its not what it is that has morality, its what you do with it. In the same way the void isn't inherently evil either.
Except ignore what warlocks do as general course, those guys are corrupt as fuck.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The Light can be used for evil purpouses since it only requires conviction. Everybody knew that since the fight against the Scarlet Crusade back on Vanilla.
It should be, since it's basically The Force.
Deal is, BC set forward the precedent that The Naaru are this onmibenevolent race that couldn't go evil without void corruption. Argus and this scenario get rid of that assumption.
I don't think the Light is bad, its just like any other power. Its not what it is that has morality, its what you do with it. In the same way the void isn't inherently evil either.
Except ignore what warlocks do as general course, those guys are corrupt as fuck.
The big thing with the void is that it has mental effects too, though. Insane is not the same as evil, but there’s probably some breakdown in the normal mental safety blocks that keep people from going totally outright evil. Of course it could be that the light has the same effects just in a different way, bending people towards authoritarianism and well intentioned extremism.
I could see them doing something with the light and void and treating it like the force. There will be some random titan or cosmic force we've never heard of that is what the actual force is. The light and void just use it in their respective ways. It would be nice to just smash all the opposing forces together and destroy them though and bring warcraft back from the intergalactic scale that we've been in and heading deeper into. Play with interesting politics, not time/space or passing mcguffins and deus ex machinas around like footballs.
You know what I want? I want Blizz to put in the actual models for the crafted weapons. As a longtime lover of blacksmithing, I want to see what a weapon with the monicker "stormsteel" looks like.
Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Maybe their plan was to put everything on the GCD then announce reverted abilities piecemeal as if it was good news to distract from how bad gameplay still is.
Jesus, I should let my friend with beta access allow me to play with a paladin for a bit to just get some laughs off of lawbringer, assuming that isn't a typo. As a paladin main, I wouldn't want that to go live if it's hitting people for 644% of their total life (Holy Nuke indeed) because blizz tends to over nerf when they fuck up implementing things on the live servers.
Anyways in regards to GCDs and big CDs. There are more elegant ways to deal with the burst issues. One is having CDs on a shared universal CD with one another. That would allow for them to be off the GCD, but prevent scenarios where someone has the macro that pops dps trinket+plus potion+dps racial+damage CD 1+damage CD 2+hardest hitting ability when the right things proc together. Granted, it would also be nice if they didn't have so many damage CDS (I'm a fan of the second perk of dps trinkets being utility) and toning down the remaining CDs. Like big numbers can be fun, but it's kind of a drag that a number of classes hit like wet noodles outside of the big CD and it makes getting hit with RNG stuff that forces to stop dpsing really suck, when it lands as a big CD gets popped). Another approach, might be considering turning of racials for certain content as well, if nothing else that would fix some of the race and faction imbalances (yeah, it would break the immersion a little, but I do think the devs need to start asking if the in combat racials are really worth it, given the issues they create).
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I feel like her going batshit insane and crusading to convert or destroy all orcs is not entirely out of left field.
It's out of left field with how she's been written since then, because Blizzard's writers straight up don't do consistent or subtle.
She's been written since then????
Wasn't she in some Legion questline for the Alliance?
Nope!
It feels more and more like Blizzard just discovered the idea of moral relativism and are fully intent on shoving it down our throats no matter how badly it fits with established characters.
God damn it, I liked the initial idea of naaru being these creatures of quite distinctive dual nature and the light/dark lifecycle they gave them. But I guess a lot of people still think it's only good and "mature" storytelling if you make everything same shade of gray. Ugh.
that would be too interesting a twist for blizzard
Grom got to lose two sons: the alternate one he never knew until he had already died, and the one who goes Lightsworn.
But really, given just about every major Orc character they've introduced since Vanilla has gone villain and ended up as a dungeon or raid boss (or both) I'm having trouble feeling anything for Yrel's fate.
garrosh who was responsible for wod stuff died already though
do you mean grom?
Durotan and Draka had a daughter named Geya'rah (Mag'har racial leader), and it was Durotan who was killed by the Lightbound (not Yrel specifically).
And this is why we don't do @&$#& time travel Blizzard, FFS!
yes this is unironically me
bring on the space lasers
mostly though I'm just happy yrel is back; it seemed really silly to spend an expansion developing a character and then just abandon it, given how starved they are for actual new characters
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Even if that isn't the plan right now, it might become the plan if Blizzard notices that changing her into a villain isn't a popular choice.
I hope she's back on our side though
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
So Yrel as a "god-emperor of mankind" sort of deal? I could see that. Make their actual leader some turncoat Sargerai who came back so dedicated to giving off the image "Hey guy, I wasn't really doing all that stuff" that he's now totally overboard in the opposite direction. I did notice back in WOD and Legion that the two "calm" races of the factions, Tauren and Draenei, have certain traits. When a Draenei gets rash and hotheaded, they get REALLY rash and hotheaded. When a Tauren goes skull-shattering, cackling evil, they go REALLY skull-shattering, cackling evil.
Then, at least, I could see some parity in political balance. But as time goes on, it's harder and harder to reconcile the Forsaken as anything but evil NPCs each expansion and tying them to the Horde makes for really shitty choices on the party of Horde leadership that makes very little sense to me.
I always felt like that. At the very least if playable they should be like death knights, with a quest to prove yourself to either faction so they don’t kill you on sight. It makes no sense that the horde would keep accepting them as a group after all their shit over the years, much less put them in charge.
*looks at the blood elves and the Sunwell*
...wait, shit...
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No I guarantee you they'll dig back into it once they start running dry on expansion material. However many years it might take.
I mean there are two entire player classes based on it. Even if the Light turns out to be bad, by the end of the expansion they'll find a wholesome version of it or something.
What do you all think? The teleport is pretty great sounding, but the no magic pushback sounds like it might make playing a caster actually fun.
Except ignore what warlocks do as general course, those guys are corrupt as fuck.
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It should be, since it's basically The Force.
Deal is, BC set forward the precedent that The Naaru are this onmibenevolent race that couldn't go evil without void corruption. Argus and this scenario get rid of that assumption.
The big thing with the void is that it has mental effects too, though. Insane is not the same as evil, but there’s probably some breakdown in the normal mental safety blocks that keep people from going totally outright evil. Of course it could be that the light has the same effects just in a different way, bending people towards authoritarianism and well intentioned extremism.
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Anyways in regards to GCDs and big CDs. There are more elegant ways to deal with the burst issues. One is having CDs on a shared universal CD with one another. That would allow for them to be off the GCD, but prevent scenarios where someone has the macro that pops dps trinket+plus potion+dps racial+damage CD 1+damage CD 2+hardest hitting ability when the right things proc together. Granted, it would also be nice if they didn't have so many damage CDS (I'm a fan of the second perk of dps trinkets being utility) and toning down the remaining CDs. Like big numbers can be fun, but it's kind of a drag that a number of classes hit like wet noodles outside of the big CD and it makes getting hit with RNG stuff that forces to stop dpsing really suck, when it lands as a big CD gets popped). Another approach, might be considering turning of racials for certain content as well, if nothing else that would fix some of the race and faction imbalances (yeah, it would break the immersion a little, but I do think the devs need to start asking if the in combat racials are really worth it, given the issues they create).
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