From what little I've heard, what Meyer did, while ethically reprehensible, might not actually be a title ix violation, and thus not a firable offense. It's much more likely that OSU will have to buy out his contract instead of firing him.
From what little I've heard, what Meyer did, while ethically reprehensible, might not actually be a title ix violation, and thus not a firable offense. It's much more likely that OSU will have to buy out his contract instead of firing him.
There's an explicit clause in his contract on this point:
So even though it might not be federal law, OSU's misconduct policy does mandate he report "intimate violence" aka domestic violence to the Title IX office.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Meyer needs to go, and the Columbus PD also needs to be held to account for failing this woman as well.
Columbus, really stepping up its game in the “fucking terriblest places” rankings this past month...
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Ive been reading Jon Krakauer’s Missoula, about the scandal surrounding how the University of Montana and the city handled several rape cases involving football players there (including the starting QB!).
It’s absolutely infuriating and I find myself looking up some of the prosecutors and cops to see if they were ever held accountable for their actions.
Not to mention the factions within the school that attacked the accusers at every turn. All for a piddlyass football team that doesn’t even play with the big boys.
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Ive been reading Jon Krakauer’s Missoula, about the scandal surrounding how the University of Montana and the city handled several rape cases involving football players there (including the starting QB!).
It’s absolutely infuriating and I find myself looking up some of the prosecutors and cops to see if they were ever held accountable for their actions.
Not to mention the factions within the school that attacked the accusers at every turn. All for a piddlyass football team that doesn’t even play with the big boys.
As the saying goes, "the politics are so vicious because the stakes are so petty." You don't live up here, so you don't see how big UM fandom is in this state. It didn't surprise me at all that they attacked the victims at every turn - the team is a huge part of identity for people here.
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I live in NE Washington so I am aware of the insufferability of Griz fandom. I mean not quite as bad in the last few years but definitely aware in the timeframe of the book.
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From what little I've heard, what Meyer did, while ethically reprehensible, might not actually be a title ix violation, and thus not a firable offense. It's much more likely that OSU will have to buy out his contract instead of firing him.
There's an explicit clause in his contract on this point:
So even though it might not be federal law, OSU's misconduct policy does mandate he report "intimate violence" aka domestic violence to the Title IX office.
Cue apology and mandatory training. He'll be back before the season begins.
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From what little I've heard, what Meyer did, while ethically reprehensible, might not actually be a title ix violation, and thus not a firable offense. It's much more likely that OSU will have to buy out his contract instead of firing him.
There's an explicit clause in his contract on this point:
So even though it might not be federal law, OSU's misconduct policy does mandate he report "intimate violence" aka domestic violence to the Title IX office.
Cue apology and mandatory training. He'll be back before the season begins.
From what little I've heard, what Meyer did, while ethically reprehensible, might not actually be a title ix violation, and thus not a firable offense. It's much more likely that OSU will have to buy out his contract instead of firing him.
There's an explicit clause in his contract on this point:
So even though it might not be federal law, OSU's misconduct policy does mandate he report "intimate violence" aka domestic violence to the Title IX office.
Cue apology and mandatory training. He'll be back before the season begins.
Still the safe money, but it's not going to cost them $40 million to buy him out, I don't think.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
So break it down for me: the insurers give MSU a lolnop. What then? Do MSU take the hit rather than contest and have a court find that they knowlingly employed and protected a rapist?
Well, it comes down to contractual terms and a few other factors, but my bet is that the insurer is claiming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith
Related to the matter, which would absolve them of their obligation to indemnify. These cases can be tricky, as it involves the collision of the contractual terms, organizational behavior and the whens of knowledge/actions vs some level of reasonableness test (note, I am not a lawyer, just worked in the legal space for an insurance company in a different function).
IE - given what MSU knew when, were their actions responsible as compared to what they were insuring and we're they taking reasonable steps to contain or eliminate material risks?
Given just how much they apparently knew about what was going on, it's starting to sound more like straightforward insurance fraud.
NY Times has a profile on the wrestlers at OSU. Not a surprise, but they link coming forward explicitly to the victim impact statements in the Nassar trial. Though because Strauss committed suicide they'll never have the same chance to confront their accuser.
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The media tour started today.
Meyer tweeted out a defense that he knew and took some steps. What those steps are, he doesn’t specify.
If you really gave a damn about the Smith incident, you would have made sure it got to the right people who could have done something about it in 2015 and kept up the pressure instead of simply shipping it off and washing your hands of the problem, you silly goose.
Well again money talks and bullshit walks. He wants us to believe he reported this guy for beating his wife and then kept him on staff for what 3 more years? Yeah I totally buy that. "Well Ohio State doesn't think something happened, despite reporting him I'll keep him around".
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Eh. If he did as he said then fine. There needs to be protection for labor (even high priced labor) in this nation and that means due process. If Meyer put it to the process and he was not removed then Meyer should not have taken extra steps to remove him.
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Nah, head coaches aren’t labor. They’re management.
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Yeah sorry a head coach in a football program can absolutely fire someone for beating his spouse. That he didn't shows his statement is bullshit. Or he doesn't care about someone beating their spouse.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
That was not my argument. My argument was that not firing someone is the responsible tact when going through these situations and HR doesn’t do anything when the situation has been referred to them.
The solution is whether systems and not extrajudicial firings.
By the way, the #metoo thing I think is inevitably coming and going to massively damage college sports is the "hostess" programs for recruits.
God the hostess programs are gross as fuck. I hope someone lights a match there and burns that shit down. But I can already hear the "they are not paid employees, they are just women who like sports a lot" and basic slut shaming making it the women's fault.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
By the way, the #metoo thing I think is inevitably coming and going to massively damage college sports is the "hostess" programs for recruits.
I don't know what this is, and I'm afraid to look it up.
You get a group of female students who want to see the football team do well. You have them escort high schoolers you are trying to convince come to your school while they are on their campus visits. If "escort" moves from a benign definition to a more prostitution-y one, you totally didn't know that was happening.
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I actually have the book that was written by a former college quarterback from... I think it was Oklahoma... and he admitted it right out there- as a recruit, he had someone to help show him around campus, and in private, she was trying to do her best to seduce him, practically throwing herself at him if he'd just sign a letter of intent to come and play for her school. The school pays and reimburses the girls, but that's the onus- convince them to play for us by most any means necessary.
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the worst part isn't that they were prostitutes, its that they were plying 16-17 year old athletes on recruiting trips with them
Yeah, I mean there are definitely things wrong with "Seduce someone to play for your school" but "Seduce a minor to come play for your school" is even worse
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
Nah, the issue is that y'all care so goddamn much about college sports that it just pours massive amounts of money and power into the industry, leading to endemic corruption because it's still not an actual sporting league business and so things like the lines of accountability and the responsibility and who is being exposed to this are blurred.
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
Nah, the issue is that y'all care so goddamn much about college sports that it just pours massive amounts of money and power into the industry, leading to endemic corruption because it's still not an actual sporting league business and so things like the lines of accountability and the responsibility and who is being exposed to this are blurred.
Well yes, because that's how the NCAA runs things. They want to be a sports league when it benefits them, and an academic organization when it benefits them, which has led to the entirely fucked up situation we have today. The problem really isn't the money itself - it's that it has to be kept all under the table.
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
Nah, the issue is that y'all care so goddamn much about college sports that it just pours massive amounts of money and power into the industry, leading to endemic corruption because it's still not an actual sporting league business and so things like the lines of accountability and the responsibility and who is being exposed to this are blurred.
... because "actual sporting leagues" do a better job?
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
Nah, the issue is that y'all care so goddamn much about college sports that it just pours massive amounts of money and power into the industry, leading to endemic corruption because it's still not an actual sporting league business and so things like the lines of accountability and the responsibility and who is being exposed to this are blurred.
... because "actual sporting leagues" do a better job?
Yes, because everything is above the board. The NCAA literally tells kids looking into playing in college that they aren't allowed to retain counsel to figure out which deal is best for them.
I mean this covers both this thread and the “fuck the motherfucking ncaa” thread, but there’s so much damn money involved because they don’t pay the athletes that this kind of gross shit is inevitable
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
Nah, the issue is that y'all care so goddamn much about college sports that it just pours massive amounts of money and power into the industry, leading to endemic corruption because it's still not an actual sporting league business and so things like the lines of accountability and the responsibility and who is being exposed to this are blurred.
Well yes, because that's how the NCAA runs things. They want to be a sports league when it benefits them, and an academic organization when it benefits them, which has led to the entirely fucked up situation we have today. The problem really isn't the money itself - it's that it has to be kept all under the table.
It's supposed to be a fucking university: a place to learn, not a place to play ball. Just do the reasonable things and stop watching games, stop having universities waste money on coaches and stadium, and stop having universities compromise their functions of teaching and research, and all the problems disappear.
It's supposed to be a hobby for a few students. Like the anime club.
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There's an explicit clause in his contract on this point:
So even though it might not be federal law, OSU's misconduct policy does mandate he report "intimate violence" aka domestic violence to the Title IX office.
Columbus, really stepping up its game in the “fucking terriblest places” rankings this past month...
It’s absolutely infuriating and I find myself looking up some of the prosecutors and cops to see if they were ever held accountable for their actions.
Not to mention the factions within the school that attacked the accusers at every turn. All for a piddlyass football team that doesn’t even play with the big boys.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
As the saying goes, "the politics are so vicious because the stakes are so petty." You don't live up here, so you don't see how big UM fandom is in this state. It didn't surprise me at all that they attacked the victims at every turn - the team is a huge part of identity for people here.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Cue apology and mandatory training. He'll be back before the season begins.
Deadspin has a story with a depressingly honest lede - If You Think Urban Meyer's Career Is Over, You Underestimate The Power Of Winning.
Still the safe money, but it's not going to cost them $40 million to buy him out, I don't think.
Given just how much they apparently knew about what was going on, it's starting to sound more like straightforward insurance fraud.
Meyer tweeted out a defense that he knew and took some steps. What those steps are, he doesn’t specify.
If you really gave a damn about the Smith incident, you would have made sure it got to the right people who could have done something about it in 2015 and kept up the pressure instead of simply shipping it off and washing your hands of the problem, you silly goose.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
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In almost every state, the highest paid state employee is the Head Coach
This is the same Paterno excuse, with the same "I'm just an elf I'm not santa" bullshit.
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The solution is whether systems and not extrajudicial firings.
Which is one of the reasons this thread exists.
God the hostess programs are gross as fuck. I hope someone lights a match there and burns that shit down. But I can already hear the "they are not paid employees, they are just women who like sports a lot" and basic slut shaming making it the women's fault.
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I don't know what this is, and I'm afraid to look it up.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
You get a group of female students who want to see the football team do well. You have them escort high schoolers you are trying to convince come to your school while they are on their campus visits. If "escort" moves from a benign definition to a more prostitution-y one, you totally didn't know that was happening.
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There wasn't much hostessing going on, but yeah Louisville basketball hired prostitutes for recruits and players straight up.
At least they were being honest about it. None of this coercion shit.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
Yeah, I mean there are definitely things wrong with "Seduce someone to play for your school" but "Seduce a minor to come play for your school" is even worse
Sheesh college sports is fucked up.
And that's the heart of the matter - because of the NCAA's Byzantine (and in some ways illegal) regulations on recruiting and paying players, we wind up with a system that is fucked all the way down.
Nah, the issue is that y'all care so goddamn much about college sports that it just pours massive amounts of money and power into the industry, leading to endemic corruption because it's still not an actual sporting league business and so things like the lines of accountability and the responsibility and who is being exposed to this are blurred.
Well yes, because that's how the NCAA runs things. They want to be a sports league when it benefits them, and an academic organization when it benefits them, which has led to the entirely fucked up situation we have today. The problem really isn't the money itself - it's that it has to be kept all under the table.
... because "actual sporting leagues" do a better job?
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Yes, because everything is above the board. The NCAA literally tells kids looking into playing in college that they aren't allowed to retain counsel to figure out which deal is best for them.
It's supposed to be a hobby for a few students. Like the anime club.
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