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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    The 7th Continent posted an update admitting that a production error caused some cards to be the wrong size, which is why the sleeves don’t always fit. They’re reprinting and giving new cards to anyone who wants them, which is the right thing to do so good on them.

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  • jergarmarjergarmar inside your hollow manRegistered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    When I was a child, I had a fever...
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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    The 7th Continent posted an update admitting that a production error caused some cards to be the wrong size, which is why the sleeves don’t always fit. They’re reprinting and giving new cards to anyone who wants them, which is the right thing to do so good on them.

    Looks like anyone who has stuff coming in Wave 2 will automatically get a new set of cards. Anyone who didn't have anything coming in Wave 2 will be able to request the new cards (details coming in another update). That is good service by Serious Poulp.

    All my cards fit but the discoloration is very evident. I haven't looked too close though so I can play without spoiling anything.

  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    jergarmar wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    Forbidden stars is awesome. If you have the group for a long intense combat game you should get it, especially if it's reasonably priced since it's permanently oop. If you don't have a group of people willing to put in time to get over the learning curve and get the playtime down its a harder sell. If you don't like combat games look elsewhere, there's nothing for you here. But the mechanics are super interesting and fun, and it looks awesome in the table, so if you wanna murder each other for 3+ hours this a good choice.

    Edit: I haven't played food chain magnate but they seem pretty much completely different, so I dunno what to tell you there really...

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    But save a few for Lefty too
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  • BluecyanBluecyan ROAR Registered User regular
    jergarmar wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    Get both! Both games are great for different reasons.

    Ah_pook sumerized Forbidden Stars perfectly, it fit the Warhammer 40k theme well, each faction plays different and the game very much encourages constant warfare between everyone.

    Food Chain Magnate is a bit more in line with worker placement stuff (it isn't exactly a worker placement that but it has similar ideas). Unlike most of those type however there is a lot of player interaction. While your staff and products are all on your personal board, the main game board has most of the actions for a round. New restaurants popping up will directly steal customers from other players, new advertisement will only increase your opponents desire to compete with you, driving down your price will see more customers at the expense of your opponents but will earn you fewer points, ect... While everybody starts off the same, there are a bunch of early game achievements (make the first burger, get some advertisement ect) which will give players a permanent advantage so over time players get specialized in areas they moved into early. All while trying to make enough food to fill demand but not waste any. The fifties art and pastel coloring is a neat inclusion too.

    I'd say get both, but I am not discrete with my board game puchasing.

  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    You should also expect FCM is a long game. Even if you play the "fast" game it's probably a minimum of 3 hours.

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo But do you really believe him? Registered User regular
    The problem with Forbidden Stars is that the lack of an expansion is haunting

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  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    Haunting? A couple more factions would be cool, but the game as is is complete and feature rich and has tons of replay value.

    Pancho needs your prayers it's true
    But save a few for Lefty too
    Medium Dave
  • SaurfangSaurfang Registered User regular
    The designer apparently had an expansion locked and loaded before they lost the license. Also, I am THIRSTY for more factions in any game ever.

    Medium Dave
  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    I really enjoyed playing FCM but I just don’t think it is amazing enough to justify its asking price.

    Aether
  • jergarmarjergarmar inside your hollow manRegistered User regular
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    jergarmar wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    Forbidden stars is awesome. If you have the group for a long intense combat game you should get it, especially if it's reasonably priced since it's permanently oop. If you don't have a group of people willing to put in time to get over the learning curve and get the playtime down its a harder sell. If you don't like combat games look elsewhere, there's nothing for you here. But the mechanics are super interesting and fun, and it looks awesome in the table, so if you wanna murder each other for 3+ hours this a good choice.

    Edit: I haven't played food chain magnate but they seem pretty much completely different, so I dunno what to tell you there really...

    Am I the only person in the world who hears the phrase, "permanently oop" and has a clutching horror feeling in the liver?

    Bluecyan wrote: »

    Get both! Both games are great for different reasons.

    Ah_pook sumerized Forbidden Stars perfectly, it fit the Warhammer 40k theme well, each faction plays different and the game very much encourages constant warfare between everyone.

    Food Chain Magnate is a bit more in line with worker placement stuff (it isn't exactly a worker placement that but it has similar ideas). Unlike most of those type however there is a lot of player interaction. While your staff and products are all on your personal board, the main game board has most of the actions for a round. New restaurants popping up will directly steal customers from other players, new advertisement will only increase your opponents desire to compete with you, driving down your price will see more customers at the expense of your opponents but will earn you fewer points, ect... While everybody starts off the same, there are a bunch of early game achievements (make the first burger, get some advertisement ect) which will give players a permanent advantage so over time players get specialized in areas they moved into early. All while trying to make enough food to fill demand but not waste any. The fifties art and pastel coloring is a neat inclusion too.

    I'd say get both, but I am not discrete with my board game puchasing.

    Let me ask it this way: I don't have a ton of longer games. I want something interactive, thoughtful, and fun, and not too punishing in ruleset or endgame. Does that exclude either?

    When I was a child, I had a fever...
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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    The 7th Continent posted an update admitting that a production error caused some cards to be the wrong size, which is why the sleeves don’t always fit. They’re reprinting and giving new cards to anyone who wants them, which is the right thing to do so good on them.

    Looks like anyone who has stuff coming in Wave 2 will automatically get a new set of cards. Anyone who didn't have anything coming in Wave 2 will be able to request the new cards (details coming in another update). That is good service by Serious Poulp.

    All my cards fit but the discoloration is very evident. I haven't looked too close though so I can play without spoiling anything.

    Is that how it's going to work? I read their update as anyone who chose to get everything, including the base box, in wave two will be receiving the fixed edition of the game with the new cards. Those that only received wave one shipments and won't be receiving wave two can request replacements. It seems ambiguous about split wave orders.

    "Therefore, if you were meant to receive all of your rewards in Wave 2, your package will include all the new cards. If you have already received all of your rewards in wave 1, you’ll have the opportunity to request that these replacement cards be sent to you in Wave 2 at no additional charge. Information about how to do so will be included in a future update."

    I got the base box and sleeves in the first wave, so now I'm just waiting for the expansions in the second.

    Dashui on
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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    If “permanently oop” concerns you, never get into wargames.

    jakobaggerVyolynceElvenshaeJustTee
  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Dashui wrote: »
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    The 7th Continent posted an update admitting that a production error caused some cards to be the wrong size, which is why the sleeves don’t always fit. They’re reprinting and giving new cards to anyone who wants them, which is the right thing to do so good on them.

    Looks like anyone who has stuff coming in Wave 2 will automatically get a new set of cards. Anyone who didn't have anything coming in Wave 2 will be able to request the new cards (details coming in another update). That is good service by Serious Poulp.

    All my cards fit but the discoloration is very evident. I haven't looked too close though so I can play without spoiling anything.

    Is that how it's going to work? I read their update as anyone who chose to get everything, including the base box, in wave two will be receiving the fixed edition of the game with the new cards. Those that only received wave one shipments and won't be receiving wave two can request replacements. It seems ambiguous about split wave orders.

    "Therefore, if you were meant to receive all of your rewards in Wave 2, your package will include all the new cards. If you have already received all of your rewards in wave 1, you’ll have the opportunity to request that these replacement cards be sent to you in Wave 2 at no additional charge. Information about how to do so will be included in a future update."

    I got the base box and sleeves in the first wave, so now I'm just waiting for the expansions in the second.

    From the paragraph before the one you quoted, I took it to mean anyone with a split order can expect theirs in wave 2.
    These production errors, even if they are annoying, should not stop you from enjoying the copy of The 7th Continent that you have already received. We have decided that the best compromise in terms of time/cost/quality is to have these new cards sent during wave 2 along with the other content.

  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Dashui wrote: »
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    The 7th Continent posted an update admitting that a production error caused some cards to be the wrong size, which is why the sleeves don’t always fit. They’re reprinting and giving new cards to anyone who wants them, which is the right thing to do so good on them.

    Looks like anyone who has stuff coming in Wave 2 will automatically get a new set of cards. Anyone who didn't have anything coming in Wave 2 will be able to request the new cards (details coming in another update). That is good service by Serious Poulp.

    All my cards fit but the discoloration is very evident. I haven't looked too close though so I can play without spoiling anything.

    Is that how it's going to work? I read their update as anyone who chose to get everything, including the base box, in wave two will be receiving the fixed edition of the game with the new cards. Those that only received wave one shipments and won't be receiving wave two can request replacements. It seems ambiguous about split wave orders.

    "Therefore, if you were meant to receive all of your rewards in Wave 2, your package will include all the new cards. If you have already received all of your rewards in wave 1, you’ll have the opportunity to request that these replacement cards be sent to you in Wave 2 at no additional charge. Information about how to do so will be included in a future update."

    I got the base box and sleeves in the first wave, so now I'm just waiting for the expansions in the second.

    From the paragraph before the one you quoted, I took it to mean anyone with a split order can expect theirs in wave 2.
    These production errors, even if they are annoying, should not stop you from enjoying the copy of The 7th Continent that you have already received. We have decided that the best compromise in terms of time/cost/quality is to have these new cards sent during wave 2 along with the other content.

    That would be pretty cool if so!

    Now Matagot needs to get back with me about replacement Kemet figures. Has anyone in the US gone through them? Or might they just refer me back to Asmodee?

    Xbox Live, PSN & Origin: Vacorsis 3DS: 2638-0037-166
  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    If “permanently oop” concerns you, never get into wargames.

    Has Kriegspiel ever been a commercial product?

    Or has it indeed been permanently oop literally always?

    bgg / steam / goodreads / Bnet: Bygasto#2537
  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    Speaking of wargames, I just ordered a copy of Soviet Dawn that my local games store guy had led me to believe was out of print. Seems like VP games' own website has it though, so soon I'll be defending the revolution inshallah.

    Of course, this is just to tide me over while I wait for Tatchanka! to emerge from development quagmire so I can command Anarchist machine gun carts and fight both the white and the red armies.

    bgg / steam / goodreads / Bnet: Bygasto#2537
  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Because I'm bored at a weeklong overnight shift, let's talk about opaque iOS strategy games I've downloaded!

    Terra Mystica- Tried revisiting this one after thinking it was okay but not being blown away years ago. It's...opaque. Looking online it seems like the entire first one-third of the game is nearly exactly scripted for each race. So very very easy to be left stalled out due to lack of stuff you had to have planned out several turns ago. It's not a bad game (although it's the poster child for points salad), but I still don't see recommending it over Scythe. The most common point is that it's deeper than Scythe, but I'm wondering how much of that is simply due to the opaqueness masking any clear path.

    Brass- Everyone says it's a classic. I tried it about 10 years ago and I had no clue what was going on. After over a dozen games on iPad, I now have very little idea what's going on. Very unclear what the better paths to victory are. I always come in last or next to last. Some stuff seems lost in translation from the board to app (the way the income track works is a complete mystery unless you're looking at the board version). Seems WAY too driven by luck of card draw. It's like it's expecting to be taken as a serious mathy strategy game like Power Grid, but it's using the luck of the card draw mechanics from Ticket to Ride to do it with. Like TtR, you CAN take actions to try and rectify bad draws (is there any more useless draw than shipyards in the canal age?), but then you're behind the players who didn't get bad draws. I dunno, even by dry mathy economic euro standards I'm not sure why anyone would bother with this over Power Grid or similar stuff. omg this thing is seventy-five dollars on Amazon

    MrBody on
  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    jakobagger wrote: »
    Speaking of wargames, I just ordered a copy of Soviet Dawn that my local games store guy had led me to believe was out of print. Seems like VP games' own website has it though, so soon I'll be defending the revolution inshallah.

    Of course, this is just to tide me over while I wait for Tatchanka! to emerge from development quagmire so I can command Anarchist machine gun carts and fight both the white and the red armies.

    Their overuse of Cyrillic script substitutions is incredibly annoying. It's like early 20th century l337 sp34k

    pic431451.jpg

    Especially if you know the letters and that they're nowhere close to the English letters they're replacing :\

    MrBody on
    jakobagger
  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    jergarmar wrote: »
    Let me ask it this way: I don't have a ton of longer games. I want something interactive, thoughtful, and fun, and not too punishing in ruleset or endgame. Does that exclude either?
    I haven't played Forbidden Stars, but if I could take an educated guess by the volume of remarks that resemble "You will be smashing into your friends for 3 hours," then I would be confident it's not a bad fit if you're interested in it.
    Food Chain Magnate in comparison is a much less direct interaction. You have to care about what people are doing and where their strategy is headed because they can outmaneuver you and suddenly fuck your cashflow. There's also limited numbers of many employee types, which are free to acquire and anyone can get given they meet the prerequisites. I expect it's a lot more dry than Forbidden Stars, but it's likely a "more serious" game in that there is zero luck.

    MrBody wrote: »
    Terra Mystica- Tried revisiting this one after thinking it was okay but not being blown away years ago. It's...opaque. Looking online it seems like the entire first one-third of the game is nearly exactly scripted for each race. So very very easy to be left stalled out due to lack of stuff you had to have planned out several turns ago. It's not a bad game (although it's the poster child for points salad), but I still don't see recommending it over Scythe. The most common point is that it's deeper than Scythe, but I'm wondering how much of that is simply due to the opaqueness masking any clear path.
    Being able to run a script relies on a favorable board state to make it worthwhile. I really think it's over-stated how big a deal this is, especially since you really and truly are not going to figure this shit out on your own for a good long while, so it's really up to you if you want to spoil yourself ala looking up the auto-win of A Few Acres Of Snow.
    shrug
    Also, I have really never felt TM is that points salad because most things aren't always worth points. You're either playing to a limited window, a faction-specific ability, or something you invested in being able to earn points through. Great Western Trail is the poster-child of points salad. :P

  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    What's the call on the Xenoshyft app? Lots of reviews I'm seeing saying great game, bad port.

  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    jergarmar wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    jergarmar wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    Forbidden stars is awesome. If you have the group for a long intense combat game you should get it, especially if it's reasonably priced since it's permanently oop. If you don't have a group of people willing to put in time to get over the learning curve and get the playtime down its a harder sell. If you don't like combat games look elsewhere, there's nothing for you here. But the mechanics are super interesting and fun, and it looks awesome in the table, so if you wanna murder each other for 3+ hours this a good choice.

    Edit: I haven't played food chain magnate but they seem pretty much completely different, so I dunno what to tell you there really...

    Am I the only person in the world who hears the phrase, "permanently oop" and has a clutching horror feeling in the liver?

    Bluecyan wrote: »

    Get both! Both games are great for different reasons.

    Ah_pook sumerized Forbidden Stars perfectly, it fit the Warhammer 40k theme well, each faction plays different and the game very much encourages constant warfare between everyone.

    Food Chain Magnate is a bit more in line with worker placement stuff (it isn't exactly a worker placement that but it has similar ideas). Unlike most of those type however there is a lot of player interaction. While your staff and products are all on your personal board, the main game board has most of the actions for a round. New restaurants popping up will directly steal customers from other players, new advertisement will only increase your opponents desire to compete with you, driving down your price will see more customers at the expense of your opponents but will earn you fewer points, ect... While everybody starts off the same, there are a bunch of early game achievements (make the first burger, get some advertisement ect) which will give players a permanent advantage so over time players get specialized in areas they moved into early. All while trying to make enough food to fill demand but not waste any. The fifties art and pastel coloring is a neat inclusion too.

    I'd say get both, but I am not discrete with my board game puchasing.

    Let me ask it this way: I don't have a ton of longer games. I want something interactive, thoughtful, and fun, and not too punishing in ruleset or endgame. Does that exclude either?

    Forbidden stars is interactive af (ie literally the entire game is fighting, or buying things to fight with and positioning to fight), it's a really tense thinky puzzle trying to figure out where and what order to do things, and personally I think it's a blast. As far as punishing rules or endgames, I'm not really sure how to answer that. There are a ton of moving pieces, and you can definitely get beat up... Id day watch the Heavy Cardboard teach/playthrough and you'll get a really good idea of what it is. Once you get over the initial rules dump the actual game plays quite smoothly in my experience.


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    Pancho needs your prayers it's true
    But save a few for Lefty too
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo But do you really believe him? Registered User regular
    The best part of Forbidden Stars is how the planning phase works. And how everybody at least once a game draws a token from the stack they made and looks at it in horror as they realise they've fucked up the sequencing completely. Somehow it gives this excellent feeling of the problems of trying to coordinate the high level strategy in a war

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  • BluecyanBluecyan ROAR Registered User regular
    jergarmar wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    jergarmar wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    Forbidden stars is awesome. If you have the group for a long intense combat game you should get it, especially if it's reasonably priced since it's permanently oop. If you don't have a group of people willing to put in time to get over the learning curve and get the playtime down its a harder sell. If you don't like combat games look elsewhere, there's nothing for you here. But the mechanics are super interesting and fun, and it looks awesome in the table, so if you wanna murder each other for 3+ hours this a good choice.

    Edit: I haven't played food chain magnate but they seem pretty much completely different, so I dunno what to tell you there really...

    Am I the only person in the world who hears the phrase, "permanently oop" and has a clutching horror feeling in the liver?

    Bluecyan wrote: »

    Get both! Both games are great for different reasons.

    Ah_pook sumerized Forbidden Stars perfectly, it fit the Warhammer 40k theme well, each faction plays different and the game very much encourages constant warfare between everyone.

    Food Chain Magnate is a bit more in line with worker placement stuff (it isn't exactly a worker placement that but it has similar ideas). Unlike most of those type however there is a lot of player interaction. While your staff and products are all on your personal board, the main game board has most of the actions for a round. New restaurants popping up will directly steal customers from other players, new advertisement will only increase your opponents desire to compete with you, driving down your price will see more customers at the expense of your opponents but will earn you fewer points, ect... While everybody starts off the same, there are a bunch of early game achievements (make the first burger, get some advertisement ect) which will give players a permanent advantage so over time players get specialized in areas they moved into early. All while trying to make enough food to fill demand but not waste any. The fifties art and pastel coloring is a neat inclusion too.

    I'd say get both, but I am not discrete with my board game puchasing.

    Let me ask it this way: I don't have a ton of longer games. I want something interactive, thoughtful, and fun, and not too punishing in ruleset or endgame. Does that exclude either?

    Both games are very interactive, thoughtful and fun. Interaction is about equal but different: Food chain is indirect conflict while Forbidden stars is direct conflict. FCM generaly offers more but smaller puzzles to solve while FS focus' on planning out a full turn actions at the start. Both heavily involve trying to out think your opponents.

    It's been a bit since I learned both, but our group managed to get through the rules explanation with out too much difficulty. I do recall Forbidden Stars had some confusion on how combat operated but after a few rounds that got cleaned up. Food chain, like many Victory Point based games can get a little bogged down in AP towards the end, but nothing too bad. Forbidden Stars last round plays out like most rounds, maybe more combat/movement than normal.

  • FryFry Registered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    What's the call on the Xenoshyft app? Lots of reviews I'm seeing saying great game, bad port.

    I kickstartered the physical game. It was ok for a couple plays, but there are some significant balance issues. Like many deckbuilders, each game you get a random "bank" of cards to purchase upgrades from. There are certain cards that, if they appeared in the bank, I didn't need to actually play the game because I already knew I had won; other cards were laughably inefficient compared to basic cards or "fair" cards, to the point that I couldn't see ever purchasing them. I did some playtesting for the first expansion/standalone ("Dreadmire"), but was not enthused enough about it to kickstart it, and I haven't been following development since then so I don't know whether they've fixed any of the issues or released any additional content, etc.

    I think the biggest strike against the game is that I don't see any need to play it with other humans. Might as well just control multiple divisions myself.

    No experience with the app.

  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    jakobagger wrote: »
    Speaking of wargames, I just ordered a copy of Soviet Dawn that my local games store guy had led me to believe was out of print. Seems like VP games' own website has it though, so soon I'll be defending the revolution inshallah.

    Of course, this is just to tide me over while I wait for Tatchanka! to emerge from development quagmire so I can command Anarchist machine gun carts and fight both the white and the red armies.

    Their overuse of Cyrillic script substitutions is incredibly annoying. It's like early 20th century l337 sp34k

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    Especially if you know the letters and that they're nowhere close to the English letters they're replacing :\

    Having taken Russian in high school I do hate this a lot, yeah. Frustrating that so many things do it.

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  • 38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    I want to thank the thread for the suggestions.

    We ended up with six players on Friday, and as people were arriving we played Incan Gold. Its amazing how easy it is to explain this game. Also it is very interesting how the strategy changes with different player amounts. With 3 you get most of your gems exploring, but with 5-6 you need to go back alone to get most of the gems. Everyone really enjoyed it. Also I can play this with my wife and the 4 year old.

    Once everyone had arrived I put out Captain Sonar. Ran through the roles quickly, and left the rules nearby. People were a bit scared at first, and there were a couple of calls to swap to turn based mode but we kept at it and had an amazing time. We sadly lost since my sonar station had been drinking and didn't know where the other sub was. In my wife's defense the other captain was pretty quiet I think. I couldn't really focus since I kept forgetting to charge my stations and captain. Doing two stations is tough, I wouldn't want to play less than 6 people. People pick up the game very quickly. Its almost party game weight. Those last few minutes where they knew where we were was intense. I was drawing on the board to move us to safety when the final torpedo hit and killed us. One second faster and we might have won.

    Some people had to go and then one of my friends brought over Machi Koro and harbor expansion. We've played the main game before, but not the Harbor. The person who brought the game got an early sushi shop and basically made 8-12 coins while it wasn't his turn, then rolled a 6 and took 2 coins from everyone with the stadium on his turn. He got the Airport first, and then it was just going through the motions while he stockpiled gold and flipped the last buildings.

    I have to admit I have a love hate relationship with Machi Koro. I always want to play it, pick some really dumb strategy, go all in, and then get annoyed at myself when I am not in the running. On Friday I went all in on Flower Orchards and Flower Shops.

    Have another game night on Saturday. Now if I could just get people to RSVP.



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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    MrBody wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    In the digital world, the creator of This War of Mine (which later became a board game) released Frostpunk, a post apocalyptic city management game in which you must rebuild coal-fueled, frostpunky Generators, to make a city around it.

    I bring this up here because I really want this to become a Euro.



    All that's happening here is manipulating number sliders (workers, engineers and children,) circular tile placement, and researching a tech tree. It's practically a Euro already.

    I was excited for this until I saw the story choices stuff.

    Can we please jettison this King of Dragon Pass mechanic from strategy games? Ever since FTL brought it back, it feels like every roguelike is cramming it in there. I just recently gave up on Space Tyrant (besides badly wanting to like it) because the random story choices are just too punishing and can completely torpedo your entire run.

    Or at least make the risk & reward of the choices very clear.

    I take back everything I said about Frostpunk's choice/law system! Turns out they're strategic choices that tell you exactly what they do with zero RNG involved. Kind of like policy choices in Sid Miere games.

    I'm really enjoying it at the moment, although it feels like there's a little too much micromanagement shuffling going on with different workshifts and individual building heat management.

    MrBody on
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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    38thDoe wrote: »
    .

    Some people had to go and then one of my friends brought over Machi Koro and harbor expansion. We've played the main game before, but not the Harbor. The person who brought the game got an early sushi shop and basically made 8-12 coins while it wasn't his turn, then rolled a 6 and took 2 coins from everyone with the stadium on his turn. He got the Airport first, and then it was just going through the motions while he stockpiled gold and flipped the last buildings.

    I have to admit I have a love hate relationship with Machi Koro. I always want to play it, pick some really dumb strategy, go all in, and then get annoyed at myself when I am not in the running. On Friday I went all in on Flower Orchards and Flower Shops.

    Have another game night on Saturday. Now if I could just get people to RSVP.
    MK is such a random PITA, I always lose and dislike it. My girlfriend likes it, so we have all the expacs here. Sadly.

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  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Machi Koro always has a wide swath of possible experiences due to the dice rolls. You can become king of the Machi Koro world in just a few dice rolls, or you can wallow in poverty while your opponents build skyscrapers. Even with a balanced number spread sometimes the dice rolls just doesn't work out for you, and it's the frustrating moments that tend to stick with us most.

    Plus it takes too long and has a larger-than-you'd-think footprint in the table.

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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    MrBody wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    In the digital world, the creator of This War of Mine (which later became a board game) released Frostpunk, a post apocalyptic city management game in which you must rebuild coal-fueled, frostpunky Generators, to make a city around it.

    I bring this up here because I really want this to become a Euro.



    All that's happening here is manipulating number sliders (workers, engineers and children,) circular tile placement, and researching a tech tree. It's practically a Euro already.

    I was excited for this until I saw the story choices stuff.

    Can we please jettison this King of Dragon Pass mechanic from strategy games? Ever since FTL brought it back, it feels like every roguelike is cramming it in there. I just recently gave up on Space Tyrant (besides badly wanting to like it) because the random story choices are just too punishing and can completely torpedo your entire run.

    Or at least make the risk & reward of the choices very clear.

    I take back everything I said about Frostpunk's choice/law system! Turns out they're strategic choices that tell you exactly what they do with zero RNG involved. Kind of like policy choices in Sid Miere games.

    I'm really enjoying it at the moment, although it feels like there's a little too much micromanagement shuffling going on with different workshifts and individual building heat management.

    Hmmm..maybe I spoke too soon. I had fun with a binge but the game is only about 4-7 hours long and is a heavily scripted scenario I don't see any replay in. It's anyone's call if they think that's worth $30, but don't get it thinking it's a sandbox economic RTS with lots of replayability.

    It is gorgeous though! And it sure was thematic given the absolute shittiest, coldest April in all of continental United States recorded history.

    MrBody on
  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Bluecyan wrote: »
    jergarmar wrote: »
    Ah_Pook wrote: »
    jergarmar wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Out of curiosity I went further down the SU&SD review rabbit hole of games I've played to see if their "play Rex instead" Scythe review was just a fluke.

    Came across their Blood Rage review. They did not like it. Okay, I guess they'll recommend what they thought were better similar games...
    If you want an epic miniatures game that really DOES encourage you fight, no matter the cost, Forbidden Stars remains completely awesome. If you want a cool miniatures game that’s brimming with axes, I’d do Battlelore. If you want a chaotic card game that actually has full-size cards, I’d play Cosmic Encounter. And if you want a cutthroat game of careful positioning, we love Cool Mini or Not’s own Dogs of War.

    Uhhhh...

    Dogs of War I was not familiar with, so I looked their review on that.
    It’s exactly the same as Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride.

    uhhh....

    I wish there was a Youtube algorithm that automatically edited together the first half overview of SU&SD videos then switched over to the last half Dice Tower final thoughts.

    As I've gotten more familiar with games, especially the games that I like, I've discovered I value the first thing more and more than the second thing. But that obviously doesn't invalidate your point.

    But on that note, you remind me that there's a used copy of Forbidden Stars for sale at my local store. For my collection it's a "long" game, and so I'm hesitant to buy it unless it's something that really suits me. Any of you especially like it? When should I buy it over, for example, Food Chain Magnate? (A friend of mine owns TI4, so that's not one I'm considering.)

    Forbidden stars is awesome. If you have the group for a long intense combat game you should get it, especially if it's reasonably priced since it's permanently oop. If you don't have a group of people willing to put in time to get over the learning curve and get the playtime down its a harder sell. If you don't like combat games look elsewhere, there's nothing for you here. But the mechanics are super interesting and fun, and it looks awesome in the table, so if you wanna murder each other for 3+ hours this a good choice.

    Edit: I haven't played food chain magnate but they seem pretty much completely different, so I dunno what to tell you there really...

    Am I the only person in the world who hears the phrase, "permanently oop" and has a clutching horror feeling in the liver?

    Bluecyan wrote: »

    Get both! Both games are great for different reasons.

    Ah_pook sumerized Forbidden Stars perfectly, it fit the Warhammer 40k theme well, each faction plays different and the game very much encourages constant warfare between everyone.

    Food Chain Magnate is a bit more in line with worker placement stuff (it isn't exactly a worker placement that but it has similar ideas). Unlike most of those type however there is a lot of player interaction. While your staff and products are all on your personal board, the main game board has most of the actions for a round. New restaurants popping up will directly steal customers from other players, new advertisement will only increase your opponents desire to compete with you, driving down your price will see more customers at the expense of your opponents but will earn you fewer points, ect... While everybody starts off the same, there are a bunch of early game achievements (make the first burger, get some advertisement ect) which will give players a permanent advantage so over time players get specialized in areas they moved into early. All while trying to make enough food to fill demand but not waste any. The fifties art and pastel coloring is a neat inclusion too.

    I'd say get both, but I am not discrete with my board game puchasing.

    Let me ask it this way: I don't have a ton of longer games. I want something interactive, thoughtful, and fun, and not too punishing in ruleset or endgame. Does that exclude either?

    Both games are very interactive, thoughtful and fun. Interaction is about equal but different: Food chain is indirect conflict while Forbidden stars is direct conflict. FCM generaly offers more but smaller puzzles to solve while FS focus' on planning out a full turn actions at the start. Both heavily involve trying to out think your opponents.

    It's been a bit since I learned both, but our group managed to get through the rules explanation with out too much difficulty. I do recall Forbidden Stars had some confusion on how combat operated but after a few rounds that got cleaned up. Food chain, like many Victory Point based games can get a little bogged down in AP towards the end, but nothing too bad. Forbidden Stars last round plays out like most rounds, maybe more combat/movement than normal.

    Forbidden Stars is like a version of the Starcraft board game that doesn't suck.

    It's worth playing if you have access to a used copy and that sounds interesting to you.

    My only gripe with it was I hated the warp storms. They block movement and can easily sink someone's chance of winning and there's nothing they can do about it.

    The Eldar also seemed a bit overpowered. Movement with a big obstacle in that game, where you could have the most invincible forces but sometimes couldn't win because you couldn't possibly reach some objectives in time. Eldar can teleport across the entire map and they don't even seem to sacrifice combat strength to do it; they easily stand toe to toe with the less mobile races.

  • jergarmarjergarmar inside your hollow manRegistered User regular
    I think all of you can guess exactly what happened when I went back to grab that used copy of Forbidden Stars: epic levels of boardgame blue balls.

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    That's my buddy JR at the start of the article, and I am part of his game club: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-26/wall-street-s-latest-trend-in-networking-board-game-nights

    However, I am neither fortysomething nor a banker, a lawyer, or executive.

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  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    jergarmar wrote: »
    I think all of you can guess exactly what happened when I went back to grab that used copy of Forbidden Stars: epic levels of boardgame blue balls.

    WTB FS PST

    How much was it? Looks like it's currently selling for 65-70 on the BGG market, so put a subscription up there and watch for it if that's a price your comfortable with. It's significantly less than the original retail still so not too bad in the grand scheme of things.

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  • LykouraghLykouragh Registered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    MrBody wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    In the digital world, the creator of This War of Mine (which later became a board game) released Frostpunk, a post apocalyptic city management game in which you must rebuild coal-fueled, frostpunky Generators, to make a city around it.

    I bring this up here because I really want this to become a Euro.



    All that's happening here is manipulating number sliders (workers, engineers and children,) circular tile placement, and researching a tech tree. It's practically a Euro already.

    I was excited for this until I saw the story choices stuff.

    Can we please jettison this King of Dragon Pass mechanic from strategy games? Ever since FTL brought it back, it feels like every roguelike is cramming it in there. I just recently gave up on Space Tyrant (besides badly wanting to like it) because the random story choices are just too punishing and can completely torpedo your entire run.

    Or at least make the risk & reward of the choices very clear.

    I take back everything I said about Frostpunk's choice/law system! Turns out they're strategic choices that tell you exactly what they do with zero RNG involved. Kind of like policy choices in Sid Miere games.

    I'm really enjoying it at the moment, although it feels like there's a little too much micromanagement shuffling going on with different workshifts and individual building heat management.

    Hmmm..maybe I spoke too soon. I had fun with a binge but the game is only about 4-7 hours long and is a heavily scripted scenario I don't see any replay in. It's anyone's call if they think that's worth $30, but don't get it thinking it's a sandbox economic RTS with lots of replayability.

    It is gorgeous though! And it sure was thematic given the absolute shittiest, coldest April in all of continental United States recorded history.

    I'm enjoying the crap out of this game - but for me the 4-7 hours thing is actually a selling point. Yes! I'm going to beat a game and be done with it! Thirty bucks well spent!

    Also I love the flavor of it.

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  • webguy20webguy20 Registered User regular
    If a game presents a well done story and experience in 5-10 hours im willing to pay full price. I remember when the first Max Payne came out and it was about 5-8 hours for $50? People were upset but goddamn what a roller coaster those hours were. Barely any fat on that game and it was worth every penny. Still one of my favorite games.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    If a game presents a well done story and experience in 5-10 hours im willing to pay full price. I remember when the first Max Payne came out and it was about 5-8 hours for $50? People were upset but goddamn what a roller coaster those hours were. Barely any fat on that game and it was worth every penny. Still one of my favorite games.
    I can still hear "Lords and Ladies" playing in the background.

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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Well yeah go for it if you don't mind the play time. Just seemed like some people would pick it up expecting hugely replayable Sim City so they should know it's something different before buying.

  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Also Asmodee is having a big Spring sale on their digital apps now.

    http://www.asmodee-digital.com/en/spring-sales/

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