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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Pretty sure NATO and Western Europe's plan for Scandinavia is for you to be a large enough speed bump to Russia that a counter attack can be put together to keep them out of Germany, France, and stuck in the Baltic.

    24 hours

    24 hours is how much of a speedbump we'll be - as in, norway. Or, that was the plan, back when we had a large invasion defence.

    Doesn't it take longer than 24 hours to get all the way around Scandinavia on like, the train?

    depends on what you mean by "around"

    through? From where to where?


    actually no it doesn't: yes it takes more than 24 hours. Or, mostly, you can't. Not that many train tracks.


    But after 24 hours there'd be nothing left of our armed forces and, without NATO, we would cease to be even just a speedbump, we could just be ignored

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    let's play Game! The! System!

    worst, most annoying part of this assignment is worth 15 points

    however every assignment in this class comes with a clear grading rubric (makes sense it's technical writing after all!)

    minimum score for this section of the assignment is 0, for 'not attempted'. Next up 'does not meet expectations' is 9 points.

    hell yeah get 60% just for writing any old bullshit lets do this

    I challenge you with my own bullshit class about witches

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    let's play Game! The! System!

    worst, most annoying part of this assignment is worth 15 points

    however every assignment in this class comes with a clear grading rubric (makes sense it's technical writing after all!)

    minimum score for this section of the assignment is 0, for 'not attempted'. Next up 'does not meet expectations' is 9 points.

    hell yeah get 60% just for writing any old bullshit lets do this

    I challenge you with my own bullshit class about witches

    can I see the grading rubric of your challenge?

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Variable wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    oh okay, I am realizing I don't know what "residency" means

    A slightly inaccurate but helpful way to think about it is that it's an apprenticeship.

    It gives fresh medical school graduates some hands-on experience under supervision of another doctor. How strict that supervision is depends on a lot of factors.

    yeah, the guy who said he made 23k (Benton, for anyone who's seen ER) must not be a resident because he gets a student (or, I guess resident) in the first episode (Noah Wiley)

    Ok no residents (at least in psychiatry) are not like postdocs

    they have way way more autonomy and are hardly supervised at all

    husband (3rd year resident) has all his own outpatients who come to him for therapy and meds; he is meant to meet with attending supervisors once every week or two to discuss any problems. That's it. They don't oversee his decisions on a case by case basis at all. Most of his work (3 days a week) is seeing outpatients in his office.
    Another day is didactics--lectures, journal club. Acknowledgement that he's a student sort of.
    The other day is a rotation at a med management clinic where he sees a gazillion patients with 15 min appointments and doesn't give them benzos

    When he's on call (once every couple of weeks), he supervises medical students and younger residents doing consults. I think an attending will generally also see each patient on consults eventually, after the resident has figured out the problem and come up with a course of action. It's possible the attending only comes if there's a question?

    They get a lot of autonomy and responsibility effective immediately after med school. Not quite an apprenticeship as much as on-the-job training.

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  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Pretty sure NATO and Western Europe's plan for Scandinavia is for you to be a large enough speed bump to Russia that a counter attack can be put together to keep them out of Germany, France, and stuck in the Baltic.

    24 hours

    24 hours is how much of a speedbump we'll be - as in, norway. Or, that was the plan, back when we had a large invasion defence.

    Doesn't it take longer than 24 hours to get all the way around Scandinavia on like, the train?

    depends on what you mean by "around"

    through? From where to where?


    actually no it doesn't: yes it takes more than 24 hours. Or, mostly, you can't. Not that many train tracks.


    But after 24 hours there'd be nothing left of our armed forces and, without NATO, we would cease to be even just a speedbump, we could just be ignored

    I meant from like Stockholm to Helsinki by land

    Edit2: though I think it might just be a Mercator thing that’s making me say that

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  • NecoNeco desert harpy Registered User regular
    I just woke up from a nightmare who’s bed can I crawl into and sleep in until I’m safe again

  • visiblehowlvisiblehowl He/Him Neutron Nerd Registered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    I just woke up from a nightmare who’s bed can I crawl into and sleep in until I’m safe again

    Mine, I won't be going back to sleep for a bit. We can switch places in a couple hours maybe?

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Pretty sure NATO and Western Europe's plan for Scandinavia is for you to be a large enough speed bump to Russia that a counter attack can be put together to keep them out of Germany, France, and stuck in the Baltic.

    24 hours

    24 hours is how much of a speedbump we'll be - as in, norway. Or, that was the plan, back when we had a large invasion defence.

    Doesn't it take longer than 24 hours to get all the way around Scandinavia on like, the train?

    depends on what you mean by "around"

    through? From where to where?


    actually no it doesn't: yes it takes more than 24 hours. Or, mostly, you can't. Not that many train tracks.


    But after 24 hours there'd be nothing left of our armed forces and, without NATO, we would cease to be even just a speedbump, we could just be ignored

    I meant from like Stockholm to Helsinki by land

    that's possible, but why would anyone

    post-36441-1176575526.jpg

    (railway map)

    also finland is not scandinavia :P

    Abdhyius on
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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

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  • NecoNeco desert harpy Registered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    I just woke up from a nightmare who’s bed can I crawl into and sleep in until I’m safe again

    Mine, I won't be going back to sleep for a bit. We can switch places in a couple hours maybe?

    *crawls into vh’s bed with teddy bear*

    kedinik
  • thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy RESIST. Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Pretty sure NATO and Western Europe's plan for Scandinavia is for you to be a large enough speed bump to Russia that a counter attack can be put together to keep them out of Germany, France, and stuck in the Baltic.

    24 hours

    24 hours is how much of a speedbump we'll be - as in, norway. Or, that was the plan, back when we had a large invasion defence.

    Doesn't it take longer than 24 hours to get all the way around Scandinavia on like, the train?

    depends on what you mean by "around"

    through? From where to where?


    actually no it doesn't: yes it takes more than 24 hours. Or, mostly, you can't. Not that many train tracks.


    But after 24 hours there'd be nothing left of our armed forces and, without NATO, we would cease to be even just a speedbump, we could just be ignored

    I meant from like Stockholm to Helsinki by land

    that's possible, but why would anyone

    https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/post-36441-1176575526.jpg

    (railway map)

    also finland is not scandinavia :P

    Many Bothnian Spies died to get us this information.

    Abdhyius
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

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  • Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Registered User regular
    Butts

    HAVELOCK2.0! NEW LOOK, SAME TASTE!
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  • NecoNeco desert harpy Registered User regular
    Butts

    Butty McButtface

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  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    a friend's wife was low-key griping that she owes ~$500,000 in student loans

    but only low-key, because she is just hitting the part of her career where she makes $Texas annually

  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    Then residency, which is probably close to breaking even but not saving much for another few years.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    in the US: 4 years college+4 years med school. Then 4 years of residency (in psych, more if surgery, one less for internal medicine?) at ~50K income.
    College prices+debts hugely depend on a person's family situation and choice of college. I knew a lot of low-income folks who got full rides to Amherst. But then I also knew a lot of rich people paying $45K a year for it (their families, though--not them). But other colleges are much cheaper.
    My husband's parents paid for his med school tuition, and also it was in-state so a lot cheaper. I think out of state tuition runs to about 50K a year?
    Some people are going to become doctors no matter what. A lot of people (like my spouse) are hereditary doctors and come from money.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    everything about medicine in america seems monumentally stupid and designed to be as expensive as possible

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    no matter what you compare it to it's going to be worth it after not too long

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    EDIT: Oh. You have... college first?

    I'm... confused. What do you study there, then?

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    We are ridiculously privileged in not having student loans. Mine were only 4 figures and I wiped them out with my grad school income. Husband's family didn't let him take on any so he just didn't have them.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    But do people do medical school instead of undergrad like they do in some countries? And how long is the residency (if there is residency?)

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    But do people do medical school instead of undergrad like they do in some countries? And how long is the residency (if there is residency?)

    Yeah, that’s after 4-5 years of undergrad, which ranges from free to 40k.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    i read while googling about resident salaries that the average md has ~150k in student loans. 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of med school, then an avg of 5 years of residency for a specialty beyond general practice? so if you're comparing it to the ocmmon undergrad jerb prospective... that's 9 extra years. say 10 years, if we're gonna dedicate an entire post tax year of salary to paying off that 150.

    so avg bachelor's degree holding person enters job market at 21, 22? works for 43 years? avg 5 year residency starts working at like 32? so 33 years?

    33 * 200k with no raises = 6.6 million dollars

    43 years of work to reach 6.6 million means an average of 153,400 dollars a year over their lifetime

    i'm p sure most fields don't even top out at 153,400 per year, let alone average that over a career (and this is assuming 0 raises for the physician)

    of course this discards malpractice insurance but i'm p sure that if all you care about is the money, physicians still end up well in front of the vast majority of professions

  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    EDIT: Oh. You have... college first?

    I'm... confused. What do you study there, then?

    You study whatever, but it must include the 'pre med' requirements, which I will admit I also took cause I thought maybe I'd do med school.
    That means ummmm 2 semesters bio, 4 semesters chemistry including organic, one semester english, 2 semesters physics...ummm maybe you have to have taken calc but could have been in hs? And maybe something about a foreign language?
    Completely unclear why. In general in the US we don't track students basically ever--nothing like choosing focus areas in high school and then going to undergrad for really just one subject the way they tend to do more in europe. Everyone here is kinda a generalist...

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Does lab meat still count as vegan?

  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    Atomika the Safeway in cap hill is close to where I get my weed

    I need to someday check up on that whole "Can I smoke weed?" thing

  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    i read while googling about resident salaries that the average md has ~150k in student loans. 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of med school, then an avg of 5 years of residency for a specialty beyond general practice? so if you're comparing it to the ocmmon undergrad jerb prospective... that's 9 extra years. say 10 years, if we're gonna dedicate an entire post tax year of salary to paying off that 150.

    so avg bachelor's degree holding person enters job market at 21, 22? works for 43 years? avg 5 year residency starts working at like 32? so 33 years?

    33 * 200k with no raises = 6.6 million dollars

    43 years of work to reach 6.6 million means an average of 153,400 dollars a year over their lifetime

    i'm p sure most fields don't even top out at 153,400 per year, let alone average that over a career (and this is assuming 0 raises for the physician)

    of course this discards malpractice insurance but i'm p sure that if all you care about is the money, physicians still end up well in front of the vast majority of professions

    That income includes malpractice insurance; it's covered by your workplace. Or if you open your own practice, you pay it but your takehome pay is still like 150K or more depending.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular

    credeiki wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    But do people do medical school instead of undergrad like they do in some countries? And how long is the residency (if there is residency?)

    dunno about residency and I don't even know what undergrad really means, to be honest

    if you want to study to become a doctor then that is what you study to become, after high school

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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    undergrad is general college. some people will go to a vocational school- learn a very, very specific skill like being a mechanic or a plumber or whatever. but basically everyone who wants a white collar degree- english, creative writing, economics, business, engineering, medicine, law, anything- gets an undergrad degree. they may go straight into the workforce after that or they may pursue a master's degree or pursue medical school or law school or business school

    but a bachelor's degree, 'undergrad', is a tick mark for almost any non-physical career in america

    VishNubcredeiki
  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    High school (4 years, ~18) —> undergrad/college (4 years, 22) —> med school (4 years, 26) —> residency (5 years, 31)

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    But do people do medical school instead of undergrad like they do in some countries? And how long is the residency (if there is residency?)

    dunno about residency and I don't even know what undergrad really means, to be honest

    if you want to study to become a doctor then that is what you study to become, after high school

    Undergrad usually means "university", that is, a 4 year institution you go to after high school to get a bachelor's degree. It's also possible to get an associate's degree form a two-year program (this type of program is called 'college' in russian, but in american english, college is essentially synonymous with university most of the time).

    So I went to highschool until 18, then went to college/undergrad for 4 years and got a bachelor's in physics, then went to grad school and gor a PhD. Husband similarly went to high school until 18, went to college/undergrad for 4 years and got a bachelor's in biology, then went to medical school for 4 years, and now is a resident ie a low-paid practicing doctor operating under limited supervision, and has 1.5 years left of his 4-year residency.

    I say college because my institution was called a college and not a university because it did not have graduate programs. However some places are called college and do have graduate programs :P

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    EDIT: Oh. You have... college first?

    I'm... confused. What do you study there, then?

    You study whatever, but it must include the 'pre med' requirements, which I will admit I also took cause I thought maybe I'd do med school.
    That means ummmm 2 semesters bio, 4 semesters chemistry including organic, one semester english, 2 semesters physics...ummm maybe you have to have taken calc but could have been in hs? And maybe something about a foreign language?
    Completely unclear why. In general in the US we don't track students basically ever--nothing like choosing focus areas in high school and then going to undergrad for really just one subject the way they tend to do more in europe. Everyone here is kinda a generalist...

    that seems... like a waste of goddamn time and money, to be honest

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Organichu wrote: »
    undergrad is general college. some people will go to a vocational school- learn a very, very specific skill like being a mechanic or a plumber or whatever. but basically everyone who wants a white collar degree- english, creative writing, economics, business, engineering, medicine, law, anything- gets an undergrad degree. they may go straight into the workforce after that or they may pursue a master's degree or pursue medical school or law school or business school

    but a bachelor's degree, 'undergrad', is a tick mark for almost any non-physical career in america

    the idea of general college is nutso to me

    it's bachelors/masters for nearly everything here as well but you like, get a degree in something

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    thanks cred

    although I am still at a loss as to Benton's position and his likely pay. may have to look up some show summaries tomorrow, they may explain at least the former

    Ah right and he makes somewhere between 50-55K after having made 0 as a med student.
    It was completely unreasonable during the first year of his residency (also confusingly called intern year) where he was on call a lot more and just working like 80 hour weeks, which made his salary hourly less than minimum wage :(

    but holy fuck starting attendings make like 200K so uh

    worth

    how many years spent studying instead of earning, plus what amount of student loans, does that have to weigh up for

    ~40-50k for 4 years, plus Cost of living, expenses, iirc

    wait what you guys have just 4 years for medical school? here it's six

    EDIT: Oh. You have... college first?

    I'm... confused. What do you study there, then?

    You study whatever, but it must include the 'pre med' requirements, which I will admit I also took cause I thought maybe I'd do med school.
    That means ummmm 2 semesters bio, 4 semesters chemistry including organic, one semester english, 2 semesters physics...ummm maybe you have to have taken calc but could have been in hs? And maybe something about a foreign language?
    Completely unclear why. In general in the US we don't track students basically ever--nothing like choosing focus areas in high school and then going to undergrad for really just one subject the way they tend to do more in europe. Everyone here is kinda a generalist...

    that seems... like a waste of goddamn time and money, to be honest

    I believe that a liberal arts education expands the soul and improves critical thinking and is a great experience
    I don't know whether it makes someone a better doctor. Quite possibly just going straight to med school would be much better.
    In general, as Chu said, the 4-year degree is a necessary piece of paper for many jobs, whether or not the education actually conferred anything of value
    Plus it's good for networking and matchmaking
    Couldn't have married rich had I not gone to a rich kids school I think
    Really haven't met that concentration of rich people elsewhere in life

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    undergrad is general college. some people will go to a vocational school- learn a very, very specific skill like being a mechanic or a plumber or whatever. but basically everyone who wants a white collar degree- english, creative writing, economics, business, engineering, medicine, law, anything- gets an undergrad degree. they may go straight into the workforce after that or they may pursue a master's degree or pursue medical school or law school or business school

    but a bachelor's degree, 'undergrad', is a tick mark for almost any non-physical career in america

    the idea of general college is nutso to me

    it's bachelors/masters for nearly everything here as well but you like, get a degree in something

    You still get a degree in something! It just tends not to occupy as great a percent of your classes as it might elsewhere. Like I majored in physics but it was probably only 30% of my classes (at a different school it would have been a greater percent but Amherst is up its own ass in any number of ways)

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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    undergrad is general college. some people will go to a vocational school- learn a very, very specific skill like being a mechanic or a plumber or whatever. but basically everyone who wants a white collar degree- english, creative writing, economics, business, engineering, medicine, law, anything- gets an undergrad degree. they may go straight into the workforce after that or they may pursue a master's degree or pursue medical school or law school or business school

    but a bachelor's degree, 'undergrad', is a tick mark for almost any non-physical career in america

    the idea of general college is nutso to me

    it's bachelors/masters for nearly everything here as well but you like, get a degree in something

    your undergrad degree generally is in 'something'. it might be computer science or biology (a common 'pre-med' track) or political science/english (two common pre-law tracks) or communications or whatever. but all post-graduate education- be that in furtherance of your computer science degree or your creative writing degree, or entrance to a specific, accredited, license awarding professional school (law school, medical school) requires that bachelor's degree first.

    so every doctor or lawyer in america has an 'undergrad degree', which is likely in biology, chemistry, english, history, political science, w-e

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    I have in my head an idea for a rom-com where two small-time con artists pretend to propose at nice restaurants and use the resultant good feelings to get out of paying for the meal, or, failing that, use it as an excuse to dine and dash, but then they really start falling in love

    Ok thinking about it that sounds terrible, I need either a twist or a better romantic con

    I think there's a whole potential subgenre to mine here: the rom-con

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