The "forced humor" complaint seems mega edgelord. I just pointed out that Ragnarok's goofiness was troublesome, and even I laugh find a lot of that stuff humorous.
Hell, I'm an unmedicated depressive who spends at least a couple minutes a day contemplating the other option, and I get a giggle out of a Marvel movie.
The "forced humor" complaint seems mega edgelord. I just pointed out that Ragnarok's goofiness was troublesome, and even I laugh find a lot of that stuff humorous.
Hell, I'm an unmedicated depressive who spends at least a couple minutes a day contemplating the other option, and I get a giggle out of a Marvel movie.
Maybe just don't go to movies?
The only joke i thought was "forced" or too heavy handed was
Sliding up in the car seat after it was smashed by Klaw. It felt a little too slap stick to me. Like they coudlnt figure out how to have her be ok, so they just went with the cheesy laugh. That being said, there was a lot of other good clever humor in there. The suit kick, the wig bit, the "just kidding we are vegetarians", "are you done yet", "what is love? baby dont hurt me! dont hurt me! no more!" lmao etc
"Forced humour" in Ragnarok? I guess I may not have noticed it because I was laughing.
The man holding me down and tickling me with a feather everytime Taika Waititi's character was on screen assured me that there's no forced humor in the movie.
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GotG2 was the worst offender . Ragnarok only has a few spots
Black Panther was good
Ragnarok's humour wasn't really forced, just excessive. It was genuinely and consistently funny, but it meant that when big things went down (and a lot did) it was without enough emotional gravity.
Korg was the only part of Ragnarok I thought felt “forced.” Other characters tell jokes and such but they’re all doing it as a way to cope with loss; if it feels put on it’s because they’re whistling through their respective graveyards.
We don’t get enough background on korg for that to work though; it feels like he’s just there to deliver exposition
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I mean... Korg and Miek were probably my favorite part. That and Heimdall still being the most competent Aesir.
Oh, and Hulk/Valkyrie brotimes. That was pretty neat. But the whole Thor as dumb surfer bro pisses me off something fierce. Like... He's REAL stupid. Flat out Apatow shit in this movie. It's bad.
But humor's humor- totally subjective. What I find excessive, others will find appropriate. And Marvel, Ragnarok aside, has managed to not swerve too far outside the general lane of each movie.
I don’t get the complaint that thor’s dumb; he doesn’t do anything really dumb the whole movie, other than break that thing in dr strange’s house. His new thing is that he’s glib, which he hasn’t been I previous films but maybe is attributable to hanging out with Stark (like that moment when he realizes the ‘point break’ joke is coming but rolls with it isn’t something he’d have done before.)
He also kinda quietly shows a lot of character growth; he’s usually the most emotionally intelligent member of the cast, which is another new move for him (territory previously ceded to Loki.)
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Black Panther for me was alright, pretty solidly alright as a film. Acting was very good, costumes and set design were excellent as people have said - but some of the writing let it down for me.
Overall plot is solid, but after the first half there seemed to be a lot of points where characters are doing things more because the plot needs them to for the finale than because it makes sense at the time, along with a bunch of call backs to things that happened earlier but were glossed over as not a problem a few minutes earlier.
Certainly don't regret watching, really looking forward to seeing these characters (and Wakanda) again in future films - but reckon I'd give this particular film a miss if it came back around on TV in a year or two's time.
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I don’t get the complaint that thor’s dumb; he doesn’t do anything really dumb the whole movie, other than break that thing in dr strange’s house. His new thing is that he’s glib, which he hasn’t been I previous films but maybe is attributable to hanging out with Stark (like that moment when he realizes the ‘point break’ joke is coming but rolls with it isn’t something he’d have done before.)
He also kinda quietly shows a lot of character growth; he’s usually the most emotionally intelligent member of the cast, which is another new move for him (territory previously ceded to Loki.)
I said at the time in SE++ that I think Thor being more relaxed and jokey in Ragnarok is actually a very solid character choice when you consider how he is in all his MCU appearances. In Thor, pre losing the hammer he is brash, jokey, overconfident and immature. Losing the hammer is a wake up call for him to take things more seriously and think about his actions/learn what it is to be King (eventually). This means that in Avengers, he's all business, very serious, even overcompensating a bit for his prior behaviour. That attitude continues into Dark World with him working to undo the damage from the end of Thor, he does start to show a little of his old self here, but it's only fleeting. He's still learning from being humbled, which is why he doesn't want the throne. You can see his relaxed personality coming out again in Age of Ultron in the party scenes, but that gets buried under world ending plot and apocalyptic visions. By the start of Ragnarok, he's been on his stone quest for a couple of years, so he's had time to come to terms with who he really is, he's got his sense of humour back from his younger days, he's very confident, but he has enough wisdom now to know he's not infallible, which is a huge difference from where he started.
Korg was the only part of Ragnarok I thought felt “forced.” Other characters tell jokes and such but they’re all doing it as a way to cope with loss; if it feels put on it’s because they’re whistling through their respective graveyards.
We don’t get enough background on korg for that to work though; it feels like he’s just there to deliver exposition
YMMV, but I got a strong whistling-through-the-graveyard vibe from Korg.
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I mean... Korg and Miek were probably my favorite part. That and Heimdall still being the most competent Aesir.
Oh, and Hulk/Valkyrie brotimes. That was pretty neat. But the whole Thor as dumb surfer bro pisses me off something fierce. Like... He's REAL stupid. Flat out Apatow shit in this movie. It's bad.
But humor's humor- totally subjective. What I find excessive, others will find appropriate. And Marvel, Ragnarok aside, has managed to not swerve too far outside the general lane of each movie.
Also Korg and Miek was an elaborate rock/paper/scissors joke
No idea if this was mentioned in previous spoilers, but just got back from Black Panther, and calling this for IW (spoilers BP):
Soul Gem was the core of vibranium mountain, and is what allows them to commune with ancestors when consuming the heart flower, and Thanos taking it is going to rip that from them, effectively killing their afterlife
No idea if this was mentioned in previous spoilers, but just got back from Black Panther, and calling this for IW (spoilers BP):
Soul Gem was the core of vibranium mountain, and is what allows them to commune with ancestors when consuming the heart flower, and Thanos taking it is going to rip that from them, effectively killing their afterlife
Here’s what Coogler said when we asked him why Black Panther didn’t feature an Infinity Stone.
“I love the Infinity Stones as much as any comic book fan, it’s just Wakanda already has its thing, which is Vibranium. For us, that was special enough, so to throw in something like another special thing didn’t feel right. It felt like we should stick with our one MacGuffin for the country and explore that, let that be the important thing because, frankly we didn’t need to have another piece like that,” Coogler explained, adding, “[Marvel Studios] never really was interested in putting a stone in there, either.”
Not to say completely that it's not in Wakanda, but the Vibranium seems to be just Vibranium.
Can we get the chemicals in. 'Cause anything's better than this.
No idea if this was mentioned in previous spoilers, but just got back from Black Panther, and calling this for IW (spoilers BP):
Soul Gem was the core of vibranium mountain, and is what allows them to commune with ancestors when consuming the heart flower, and Thanos taking it is going to rip that from them, effectively killing their afterlife
Here’s what Coogler said when we asked him why Black Panther didn’t feature an Infinity Stone.
“I love the Infinity Stones as much as any comic book fan, it’s just Wakanda already has its thing, which is Vibranium. For us, that was special enough, so to throw in something like another special thing didn’t feel right. It felt like we should stick with our one MacGuffin for the country and explore that, let that be the important thing because, frankly we didn’t need to have another piece like that,” Coogler explained, adding, “[Marvel Studios] never really was interested in putting a stone in there, either.”
Not to say completely that it's not in Wakanda, but the Vibranium seems to be just Vibranium.
I read that as Marvel felt that it was not necessary to link Vibranium to an Infinity Stone in the Black Panther movie. That does not preclude that link being made in Infinity War.
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No idea if this was mentioned in previous spoilers, but just got back from Black Panther, and calling this for IW (spoilers BP):
Soul Gem was the core of vibranium mountain, and is what allows them to commune with ancestors when consuming the heart flower, and Thanos taking it is going to rip that from them, effectively killing their afterlife
Here’s what Coogler said when we asked him why Black Panther didn’t feature an Infinity Stone.
“I love the Infinity Stones as much as any comic book fan, it’s just Wakanda already has its thing, which is Vibranium. For us, that was special enough, so to throw in something like another special thing didn’t feel right. It felt like we should stick with our one MacGuffin for the country and explore that, let that be the important thing because, frankly we didn’t need to have another piece like that,” Coogler explained, adding, “[Marvel Studios] never really was interested in putting a stone in there, either.”
Not to say completely that it's not in Wakanda, but the Vibranium seems to be just Vibranium.
I read that as Marvel felt that it was not necessary to link Vibranium to an Infinity Stone in the Black Panther movie. That does not preclude that link being made in Infinity War.
My guess is that there still won't be the Soul Stone in Wakanda. Maybe Dr. Strange sends the Eye of Agamotto (or Vision) to Wakanda for safekeeping.
Actual spoilers for Infinity War
You see Stark with a phone in Sanctum Sanctorum, that looks like the "If you need me, call" phone Steve mailed Tony at the end of the Avengers, so Steve (with connections to Wakanda) will be in communication with Tony, and therefore Vision (Also Steve, has also just met Dr. Strange, who has both the time stone and the ability to teleport people around)
yeah my prediction about why there's a big Wakanda set piece
they need a country full of people that aren't afraid to fight alien hordes and wakanda has all the advantages for that so the team takes whatever stones they have to Wakanda
yeah my prediction about why there's a big Wakanda set piece
they need a country full of people that aren't afraid to fight alien hordes and wakanda has all the advantages for that so the team takes whatever stones they have to Wakanda
I get that completely
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Like a stampeding rhino armored in vibranium who wants to sit on your chest to lick your face- that shit needs to give Thanos pause, right?
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OK, did I miss it, or did they never explicitly draw the line between
EDIT: This is Black Panther spoilers, I just realized I posted in the MCU thread instead of the BP thread. Had it in spoiler tags already anyway, but it's labeled now.
1) Shuri's use of sonic technology to render the vibranium inert, and 2) the fact that Klawe's arm was "a mining tool I made some alterations to", and that it was the only thing that seemed able to do any damage to their vibranium car and T'Challa in his suit.
I had a real lightbulb moment when I realized the connection, and it seemed like such a cool little way of tying things together that I have to assume somebody pointed it out during the movie and I just missed the line.
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Regarding Infinity Stones with Black Panther spoilers
I could believe the Soul Stone is in Wakanda already and that it's somehow the afterlife/Great Veldt that they visit after eating the herb. But it's colour coding in the MCU is orange, and everything magical in Wakanda was coded purple, or blue...
I wonder if it could be there without the Wakandans knowing? That the Vibranium isn't responsible for the spiritual stuff, they just assume it is?
My wildcard guess is still Heimdall, his golden eyes let him see every soul in the universe. I could see him being sent away by Loki along with the Hulk? Wakanda is accepting refugees now...
I could believe the Soul Stone is in Wakanda already and that it's somehow the afterlife/Great Veldt that they visit after eating the herb. But it's colour coding in the MCU is orange, and everything magical in Wakanda was coded purple, or blue...
I wonder if it could be there without the Wakandans knowing? That the Vibranium isn't responsible for the spiritual stuff, they just assume it is?
My wildcard guess is still Heimdall, his golden eyes let him see every soul in the universe. I could see him being sent away by Loki along with the Hulk? Wakanda is accepting refugees now...
I'm seriously wondering if James Gunn's "Adam Warlock won't show up until GotG3" statement wasn't a "Killian is nearly a cameo in this movie" level misdirect.
yeah my prediction about why there's a big Wakanda set piece
they need a country full of people that aren't afraid to fight alien hordes and wakanda has all the advantages for that so the team takes whatever stones they have to Wakanda
I get that completely
BP spoiler
Like a stampeding rhino armored in vibranium who wants to sit on your chest to lick your face- that shit needs to give Thanos pause, right?
BP spoilers
...and that's how Thanos gets armored rhinos for pets.
I could believe the Soul Stone is in Wakanda already and that it's somehow the afterlife/Great Veldt that they visit after eating the herb. But it's colour coding in the MCU is orange, and everything magical in Wakanda was coded purple, or blue...
I wonder if it could be there without the Wakandans knowing? That the Vibranium isn't responsible for the spiritual stuff, they just assume it is?
My wildcard guess is still Heimdall, his golden eyes let him see every soul in the universe. I could see him being sent away by Loki along with the Hulk? Wakanda is accepting refugees now...
I'm seriously wondering if James Gunn's "Adam Warlock won't show up until GotG3" statement wasn't a "Killian is nearly a cameo in this movie" level misdirect.
Every time that spoiler comes up, I can't help but think
Warlock has a second personality as Magus, and both personas have been connected with infinity stone storylines.
I mean... Korg and Miek were probably my favorite part. That and Heimdall still being the most competent Aesir.
Oh, and Hulk/Valkyrie brotimes. That was pretty neat. But the whole Thor as dumb surfer bro pisses me off something fierce. Like... He's REAL stupid. Flat out Apatow shit in this movie. It's bad.
But humor's humor- totally subjective. What I find excessive, others will find appropriate. And Marvel, Ragnarok aside, has managed to not swerve too far outside the general lane of each movie.
Thor is dumb is a trope that goes back to the eddas.
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I mean... Korg and Miek were probably my favorite part. That and Heimdall still being the most competent Aesir.
Oh, and Hulk/Valkyrie brotimes. That was pretty neat. But the whole Thor as dumb surfer bro pisses me off something fierce. Like... He's REAL stupid. Flat out Apatow shit in this movie. It's bad.
But humor's humor- totally subjective. What I find excessive, others will find appropriate. And Marvel, Ragnarok aside, has managed to not swerve too far outside the general lane of each movie.
Thor is dumb is a trope that goes back to the eddas.
Thor being a well-meaning heroic meathead is the best and I'll hear nothing to the contrary.
Someone on twitter pointed out that the Infinity War trailer looks like someone added a bunch of Avengers to a Black Panther sequel and it made me think.
Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
Holy shit... Finally saw Ragnarok, and it's my new favorite Marvel movie. It was just so perfect!
I just really hope that Hela
isn't one and done somehow. She was too great to be a one-off. Fingers crossed she's the object of Thanos' affection in Infinity War or something.
Also I assume that was Thanos' ship in the post credits stinger?
The second post credits scene with Goldblum was fantastic too :^:
Also Goldblum was perfect in this too. Everyone was perfect! Y'all can take your 'forced humor' garbo and cram it in your cram holes, because this movie was pure bliss on every level. I haven't felt this genuinely happy after seeing a movie in I don't know how long...
Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
Someone on twitter pointed out that the Infinity War trailer looks like someone added a bunch of Avengers to a Black Panther sequel and it made me think.
Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
This movie is going to be completely nuts.
I'm a bit concerned it's going to be a mess. Way too many characters in a limited run time.
Someone on twitter pointed out that the Infinity War trailer looks like someone added a bunch of Avengers to a Black Panther sequel and it made me think.
Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
This movie is going to be completely nuts.
I'm a bit concerned it's going to be a mess. Way too many characters in a limited run time.
The best thing to do with those situations is what Civil War pulled off: focus on a few characters and leave the rest as side-characters to the main arcs.
This actually works really well with the MCU because all these characters are already established so you don't need to do as much real work.
Someone on twitter pointed out that the Infinity War trailer looks like someone added a bunch of Avengers to a Black Panther sequel and it made me think.
Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
This movie is going to be completely nuts.
I'm a bit concerned it's going to be a mess. Way too many characters in a limited run time.
I think at least for the first part of Infinity War, Thanos is actually going to be the main character. Everyone else will pop occasionally in fight scenes and occasional scenes, but it's mostly going to be about Thanos.
I wanna say that's straight from Marvel, but I don't remember where I read that.
Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
Someone on twitter pointed out that the Infinity War trailer looks like someone added a bunch of Avengers to a Black Panther sequel and it made me think.
Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
This movie is going to be completely nuts.
I'm a bit concerned it's going to be a mess. Way too many characters in a limited run time.
I think at least for the first part of Infinity War, Thanos is actually going to be the main character. Everyone else will pop occasionally in fight scenes and occasional scenes, but it's mostly going to be about Thanos.
I wanna say that's straight from Marvel, but I don't remember where I read that.
You read it from people in this thread expressing hope for it
Someone on twitter pointed out that the Infinity War trailer looks like someone added a bunch of Avengers to a Black Panther sequel and it made me think.
Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
This movie is going to be completely nuts.
I'm a bit concerned it's going to be a mess. Way too many characters in a limited run time.
I think at least for the first part of Infinity War, Thanos is actually going to be the main character. Everyone else will pop occasionally in fight scenes and occasional scenes, but it's mostly going to be about Thanos.
I wanna say that's straight from Marvel, but I don't remember where I read that.
You read it from people in this thread expressing hope for it
Or you know from Feige.
Thanos in Infinity War is – in a movie that has a lot of characters, you could almost go so far as to say he is the main character, and that’s a bit of a departure from what we’ve done before, but that was appropriate for a movie called Infinity War.
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Honestly, it had less jokes than most Marvel movies, but the ones it did have killed.
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Hell, I'm an unmedicated depressive who spends at least a couple minutes a day contemplating the other option, and I get a giggle out of a Marvel movie.
Maybe just don't go to movies?
The only joke i thought was "forced" or too heavy handed was
It's ok.
I have no qualms with being unequivocally correct in this instance.
No, you were forced to laugh.
I know I'm in the minority, but I felt a lot of the humor was kinda forced.
The man holding me down and tickling me with a feather everytime Taika Waititi's character was on screen assured me that there's no forced humor in the movie.
Black Panther was good
We don’t get enough background on korg for that to work though; it feels like he’s just there to deliver exposition
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Oh, and Hulk/Valkyrie brotimes. That was pretty neat. But the whole Thor as dumb surfer bro pisses me off something fierce. Like... He's REAL stupid. Flat out Apatow shit in this movie. It's bad.
But humor's humor- totally subjective. What I find excessive, others will find appropriate. And Marvel, Ragnarok aside, has managed to not swerve too far outside the general lane of each movie.
He also kinda quietly shows a lot of character growth; he’s usually the most emotionally intelligent member of the cast, which is another new move for him (territory previously ceded to Loki.)
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Overall plot is solid, but after the first half there seemed to be a lot of points where characters are doing things more because the plot needs them to for the finale than because it makes sense at the time, along with a bunch of call backs to things that happened earlier but were glossed over as not a problem a few minutes earlier.
Certainly don't regret watching, really looking forward to seeing these characters (and Wakanda) again in future films - but reckon I'd give this particular film a miss if it came back around on TV in a year or two's time.
I said at the time in SE++ that I think Thor being more relaxed and jokey in Ragnarok is actually a very solid character choice when you consider how he is in all his MCU appearances. In Thor, pre losing the hammer he is brash, jokey, overconfident and immature. Losing the hammer is a wake up call for him to take things more seriously and think about his actions/learn what it is to be King (eventually). This means that in Avengers, he's all business, very serious, even overcompensating a bit for his prior behaviour. That attitude continues into Dark World with him working to undo the damage from the end of Thor, he does start to show a little of his old self here, but it's only fleeting. He's still learning from being humbled, which is why he doesn't want the throne. You can see his relaxed personality coming out again in Age of Ultron in the party scenes, but that gets buried under world ending plot and apocalyptic visions. By the start of Ragnarok, he's been on his stone quest for a couple of years, so he's had time to come to terms with who he really is, he's got his sense of humour back from his younger days, he's very confident, but he has enough wisdom now to know he's not infallible, which is a huge difference from where he started.
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They address it in at least two scenes before that off the top of my head including like ten minutes from the scene ou are talking about.
YMMV, but I got a strong whistling-through-the-graveyard vibe from Korg.
Also Korg and Miek was an elaborate rock/paper/scissors joke
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Not to say completely that it's not in Wakanda, but the Vibranium seems to be just Vibranium.
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I get that completely
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EDIT: This is Black Panther spoilers, I just realized I posted in the MCU thread instead of the BP thread. Had it in spoiler tags already anyway, but it's labeled now.
I had a real lightbulb moment when I realized the connection, and it seemed like such a cool little way of tying things together that I have to assume somebody pointed it out during the movie and I just missed the line.
I wonder if it could be there without the Wakandans knowing? That the Vibranium isn't responsible for the spiritual stuff, they just assume it is?
My wildcard guess is still Heimdall, his golden eyes let him see every soul in the universe. I could see him being sent away by Loki along with the Hulk? Wakanda is accepting refugees now...
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But what about an armed raccoon?
Thor is dumb is a trope that goes back to the eddas.
Thor being a well-meaning heroic meathead is the best and I'll hear nothing to the contrary.
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Age of Ultron was basically more Avengers, since the GotG were the only new IP introduced between the two films and weren't in the film.
Infinity War is Avengers + Black Panther + Dr. Strange + Guardians of the Galaxy (Also Spider-Man and Ant-Man)
This movie is going to be completely nuts.
I just really hope that Hela
Also I assume that was Thanos' ship in the post credits stinger?
The second post credits scene with Goldblum was fantastic too :^:
Also Goldblum was perfect in this too. Everyone was perfect! Y'all can take your 'forced humor' garbo and cram it in your cram holes, because this movie was pure bliss on every level. I haven't felt this genuinely happy after seeing a movie in I don't know how long...
I'm a bit concerned it's going to be a mess. Way too many characters in a limited run time.
The best thing to do with those situations is what Civil War pulled off: focus on a few characters and leave the rest as side-characters to the main arcs.
This actually works really well with the MCU because all these characters are already established so you don't need to do as much real work.
I think at least for the first part of Infinity War, Thanos is actually going to be the main character. Everyone else will pop occasionally in fight scenes and occasional scenes, but it's mostly going to be about Thanos.
I wanna say that's straight from Marvel, but I don't remember where I read that.
You read it from people in this thread expressing hope for it
Or you know from Feige.
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