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[Android] Thread v. 2018: Pixel 6 is out. Google might be bad at phones.

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    I was going to wait for Fold 5 to get released and an expected price drop on Pixel Fold to replace my Duo but it died on me a week ago and so I got a deal on the Samsung Fold 4 instead. I did use a stylus on my Duo a lot so it was nice to retain that vs going Pixel but the outer screen is fairly narrow. Over all, though, this is more like how I had hoped the Duo would be in terms of multitasking and ease of use. Much better camera too.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Do you find yourself multitasking with it turned landscape for the wider pair of apps? Or do you just use it in the book orientation as is?

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Do you find yourself multitasking with it turned landscape for the wider pair of apps? Or do you just use it in the book orientation as is?

    Book orientation the multitasking works much better top/bottom, for side/side definitely turning it 90 degrees works better. Also the processor is much faster than the Duo (which I never even really minded per se) so simply swapping apps with the task switcher works as well as dual windows for some sorts of things. I've been on PTO so haven't even set up my work apps yet so next week will be the trial for "real" productivity on it. Microsoft really could have made something this good with the Duo hardware if they hadn't half assed the software team, I think. On the SurfaceDuo subreddit more or less everyone is jumping to Pixel Fold for the aspect ratios unless they want stylus or are leery of more first gen hardware again and they're going Samsung. There's little hope that even if a Duo3 comes out it won't be a worse Pixel Fold.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited August 2023
    Is this typical standby drain for any Fold 5 users? 1% an hour overnight seems quite high, I'm used to more like .3 or 0.4%

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Honestly, 1%/hour of battery loss has always been extremely good, for me at least.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Damn, my Zenfone 8 Flip averaged 0.4% per hour on standby.

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    m!ttensm!ttens he/himRegistered User regular
    Work finally updated the list of available phones so I could get rid of the garbage Galaxy S10e, so now I'm the brand new owner of a Pixel 7 work phone (happy dance). I also made sure to get a case right away this time (my daughter was a toddler when I got my last work phone and she pulled it off my desk less than a week after I got it and gave it a hairline crack across the screen protector) and in a different color from my Pixel 5a's case so I'm not a big dummy and confuse the two.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Damn, my Zenfone 8 Flip averaged 0.4% per hour on standby.

    Something to keep in mind is that over a couple of weeks as your usage patterns are learned by the phone, it'll improve a bit as apps that you just installed but rarely use get forced to sit idle more often by the OS. So it'll get a bit better.

    But also remember that even when idle, this is still a much higher end phone that doesn't have the biggest battery in the world. There's a limit to battery physics.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    The most recent update to Firefox removed pull-to-refresh. Mozilla ruined my boy.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited August 2023
    They just added it in! What the fuck!

    Edit: oh it's in settings now. Under customize. For some reason it's off by default.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    OMG THANK YOU

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Huh, Always On Display is worth 0.5% standby battery drain per hour by itself. Turning that off - I barely use it. I was told it consumes neglible power, but I guess not. Doubling my standby time per charge is definitely worth the tradeoff.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Z Fold 5's standby drain is now down to 0.3% per hour in deep sleep. That's a bit more what I was expecting.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    seems to be stable after a few days of use - around the 0.4-0.5% per hour

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    ED!ED! Registered User regular
    Pardon my French but I've kind of fucking had it with this OnePlus I've had since 2000. Before April of this year, the phone was fantastic. Back then I updated (accidentally) and it just screwed up everything on the phone (layout, adding apps doesn't add them to the app library, I can't use a mini-usb to 3.5 audio jack now for some reason, and the battery life is trash now - before the thing could go DAYS with proper usage and on battery saver).

    So I'm looking to upgrade and never had a Pixel. Are the new ones any good? I've honestly been trying to get away from Google overall (been using Brave and just don't like the lack of privacy overall) but not Androids. Any thoughts (like is it worth it to get the 7 over a discounted 6)?

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    2000?
    2020?

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    m!ttensm!ttens he/himRegistered User regular
    @ED!

    I just got a pixel 7 for work and it's been great. I also own a pixel 5a, and have had a 3 and the OG one as well. They are all great phones, solid hardware, great camera, no bloatware (my primary reason for getting them). I'd get the 7 over the 6 just for the extra year or two of security updates.

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    ED!ED! Registered User regular
    2000?
    2020?

    Oh yeah. Early 2020. For three years - easily the best phone I've ever had. Dunno what that update was but boy it just absolutely fucked the phone up. Ended up just ordering a Pixel 7A (no idea what the material difference is versus the 7 - as long as I can play Papers Please and MTGA on it I'm good).

    . . .only thing I'm a bit worried about is the charging: "Warp Charge" has, pretty much, ruined USB charging for me and I'm actively irritated at other devices (looking at you Samsung tablet) that charge like they've got all the time in the world.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    With a high enough wattage charger, the Pixel will charge rapidly. It also has adaptive charge so you can plug it in overnight and not burn out the battery

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    BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    With a high enough wattage charger, the Pixel will charge rapidly. It also has adaptive charge so you can plug it in overnight and not burn out the battery
    The annoying thing with adaptive charging is that at least on my 4XL it only works if you plug it in after 9 p.m. Since I wake up no later than 5 a.m. I'd rather be able to set a custom time because I like to go to bed earlier so it isn't super useful for me. The bedtime schedule also didn't effect that the last time I used it.

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    SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    Barrakketh wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    With a high enough wattage charger, the Pixel will charge rapidly. It also has adaptive charge so you can plug it in overnight and not burn out the battery
    The annoying thing with adaptive charging is that at least on my 4XL it only works if you plug it in after 9 p.m. Since I wake up no later than 5 a.m. I'd rather be able to set a custom time because I like to go to bed earlier so it isn't super useful for me. The bedtime schedule also didn't effect that the last time I used it.

    It only works that way on the Pixel 4. All newer Pixel versions of Adaptive Charging base the charge time around your own usage habits. So it'll automatically learn your sleep and wake times and would adjust the charging speed to complete one hour before your normal 5am wake time.

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    KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    Mine adjusts itself to when my alarm is set to go off. Otherwise it just charges rapidly.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    the pixel 8 will be announced in late september or early october. So this is probably the worst time to buy a pixel 7 if you can avoid it.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

    how fast is it charging and how fast is it supposed to be? every phone's OS refers to charging speeds differently so a third party app to actually measure what you're getting is necessary

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    SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    The phone may have settings for adaptive charging where it charges slower over a longer period of time since fast charging is bad for the battery's lifespan. The charger also needs to be 23 watts to support fast charging.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    I never really understood adaptive charging. or at least the time based nature of it. it's the charge to 100% that takes the most out of the battery life, not how fast it happens or how long it sits at 100.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

    how fast is it charging and how fast is it supposed to be? every phone's OS refers to charging speeds differently so a third party app to actually measure what you're getting is necessary

    Well I don't ever see "charging rapidly" anymore. And it takes a good hour to go about 10%. I've used canned air on the charging port just in case. If it is using adaptive charging it usually says that.

    It's a Pixel 6a so it's "old" but I swear it wasn't like this until like a month ago. And suddenly it's taking forever to go from 50% to 100%.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

    how fast is it charging and how fast is it supposed to be? every phone's OS refers to charging speeds differently so a third party app to actually measure what you're getting is necessary

    Well I don't ever see "charging rapidly" anymore. And it takes a good hour to go about 10%. I've used canned air on the charging port just in case. If it is using adaptive charging it usually says that.

    It's a Pixel 6a so it's "old" but I swear it wasn't like this until like a month ago. And suddenly it's taking forever to go from 50% to 100%.

    That sounds like a problem with the phone/battery and not the charger. It should never take an hour to charge 10%.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I never really understood adaptive charging. or at least the time based nature of it. it's the charge to 100% that takes the most out of the battery life, not how fast it happens or how long it sits at 100.

    The "get to 80% as fast as possible" charging is because there was/is a signiifcant want from the market of "oh crap my battery is at 20% and I need to leave the house in 30 minutes" If you can plug your phone in for half an hour and get it to 70-80% vs 40-50%, that's better for the person with the phone.

    There's also bits to manage heat. So the adaptive overnight charging where it'll stay at 80% and only charge to 100 in time for you to wake up is to keep the phone from sitting at 100% on the charger for half the night, which is bad for the battery.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

    how fast is it charging and how fast is it supposed to be? every phone's OS refers to charging speeds differently so a third party app to actually measure what you're getting is necessary

    Well I don't ever see "charging rapidly" anymore. And it takes a good hour to go about 10%. I've used canned air on the charging port just in case. If it is using adaptive charging it usually says that.

    It's a Pixel 6a so it's "old" but I swear it wasn't like this until like a month ago. And suddenly it's taking forever to go from 50% to 100%.

    That sounds like a problem with the phone/battery and not the charger. It should never take an hour to charge 10%.

    Oddly enough the charger in my car does do rapid charging. I'm so very confused.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited September 2023
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So the adaptive overnight charging where it'll stay at 80% and only charge to 100 in time for you to wake up is to keep the phone from sitting at 100% on the charger for half the night, which is bad for the battery.

    that's the part I don't get. yeah, sitting at 100% is bad for the battery, but most of the damage is already done by that point just from actually charging to 100. you can charge the phone to 80-85 like, five times, and do about the same damage to the battery as just once going from 80-100.

    if you're charging to 100 at all, you already clearly aren't that fussed about battery health long term.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So the adaptive overnight charging where it'll stay at 80% and only charge to 100 in time for you to wake up is to keep the phone from sitting at 100% on the charger for half the night, which is bad for the battery.

    that's the part I don't get. yeah, sitting at 100% is bad for the battery, but most of the damage is already done by that point just from actually charging to 100. you can charge the phone to 80-85 like, five times, and do about the same damage to the battery as just once going from 80-100.

    if you're charging to 100 at all, you already clearly aren't that fussed about battery health long term.

    but it doesn't stay at 100. It will go to 100, then down to 99, then back to 100, then back to 99, then back to 100.

    That's why staying at 100 is bad for batteries.

    For example, my work laptop's battery is already lost 15% of its rated capacity after about 18 months because it does spend 90% of its time plugged in. Where a personal laptop I have, that goes through regular charge and discharge cycles, is 3 years old and the battery is only worn 10%.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

    how fast is it charging and how fast is it supposed to be? every phone's OS refers to charging speeds differently so a third party app to actually measure what you're getting is necessary

    Well I don't ever see "charging rapidly" anymore. And it takes a good hour to go about 10%. I've used canned air on the charging port just in case. If it is using adaptive charging it usually says that.

    It's a Pixel 6a so it's "old" but I swear it wasn't like this until like a month ago. And suddenly it's taking forever to go from 50% to 100%.

    That sounds like a problem with the phone/battery and not the charger. It should never take an hour to charge 10%.

    Oddly enough the charger in my car does do rapid charging. I'm so very confused.

    Either the rapid charging isn't compatible somewhere along the chain (the charger or the phone don't match technologies) or the cable itself is not rated to support fast charging.

    wunderbar wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So the adaptive overnight charging where it'll stay at 80% and only charge to 100 in time for you to wake up is to keep the phone from sitting at 100% on the charger for half the night, which is bad for the battery.

    that's the part I don't get. yeah, sitting at 100% is bad for the battery, but most of the damage is already done by that point just from actually charging to 100. you can charge the phone to 80-85 like, five times, and do about the same damage to the battery as just once going from 80-100.

    if you're charging to 100 at all, you already clearly aren't that fussed about battery health long term.

    but it doesn't stay at 100. It will go to 100, then down to 99, then back to 100, then back to 99, then back to 100.

    That's why staying at 100 is bad for batteries.

    For example, my work laptop's battery is already lost 15% of its rated capacity after about 18 months because it does spend 90% of its time plugged in. Where a personal laptop I have, that goes through regular charge and discharge cycles, is 3 years old and the battery is only worn 10%.

    Yup. Ideally phones would just stop charging at 80% across the board, or they would at least give you the option to cap your overall charge, but people are dumb and myopic so that will probably never happen. This version of "adaptive charging" is just trying to bridge that gap, even if only a little.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Any suggestions on fast charging cables and plugs? I swear to God I own every type of Anker device that claims to be fast charging but my phone still charges slower than shit.

    how fast is it charging and how fast is it supposed to be? every phone's OS refers to charging speeds differently so a third party app to actually measure what you're getting is necessary

    Well I don't ever see "charging rapidly" anymore. And it takes a good hour to go about 10%. I've used canned air on the charging port just in case. If it is using adaptive charging it usually says that.

    It's a Pixel 6a so it's "old" but I swear it wasn't like this until like a month ago. And suddenly it's taking forever to go from 50% to 100%.

    That sounds like a problem with the phone/battery and not the charger. It should never take an hour to charge 10%.

    Oddly enough the charger in my car does do rapid charging. I'm so very confused.

    Either the rapid charging isn't compatible somewhere along the chain (the charger or the phone don't match technologies) or the cable itself is not rated to support fast charging.

    wunderbar wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So the adaptive overnight charging where it'll stay at 80% and only charge to 100 in time for you to wake up is to keep the phone from sitting at 100% on the charger for half the night, which is bad for the battery.

    that's the part I don't get. yeah, sitting at 100% is bad for the battery, but most of the damage is already done by that point just from actually charging to 100. you can charge the phone to 80-85 like, five times, and do about the same damage to the battery as just once going from 80-100.

    if you're charging to 100 at all, you already clearly aren't that fussed about battery health long term.

    but it doesn't stay at 100. It will go to 100, then down to 99, then back to 100, then back to 99, then back to 100.

    That's why staying at 100 is bad for batteries.

    For example, my work laptop's battery is already lost 15% of its rated capacity after about 18 months because it does spend 90% of its time plugged in. Where a personal laptop I have, that goes through regular charge and discharge cycles, is 3 years old and the battery is only worn 10%.

    Yup. Ideally phones would just stop charging at 80% across the board, or they would at least give you the option to cap your overall charge, but people are dumb and myopic so that will probably never happen. This version of "adaptive charging" is just trying to bridge that gap, even if only a little.

    Samsung phones actually have a feature that will cap the battery charge at 85%. I have that on most of the time. I also usually don't have the phone on the charger overnight. I charge it up in the evening and leave it off the charger overnight. When I'm on call for work I charge it overnight, just to make sure I don't miss a call if it comes. But in day to day, I don't charge it overnight.

    But like everything, I don't let my phone battery run my life. I don't usually charge my phone full, but when I need to, I do. . When I went on vacation, charge it overnight to 100% and don't worry about it. When I know I'm going to be out all day and don't want to worry about my battery, I charge it to 100. I pay attention to it, but am not held hostage by it.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited September 2023
    that's how I have been running it too.

    at home, 85%-20% is two days worth on my Fold. so I have plenty of opportunities to plugnit in here and there.

    on vacation right now and a full day is more like 100% to 10% because I'm out on mobile networks all day and taking lots of photos and videos and checking routes and maps and all that. so I've got the limiter off right now. it'll go back on when I get home because it's not a limiting factor on my usage of the phone there, whereas on vacation it would be

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    What's the least intrusive way to view notifications by time on a Samsung? On my old Duo I could make a System Widget to Notification History but it doesn't work the same here. When they're ones allowed onto my watch it is easy to see chronologically but since I silence most of those, I occasionally get indecipherable buzzing from the phone from uncertain notifications never to be discerned.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    What's the least intrusive way to view notifications by time on a Samsung? On my old Duo I could make a System Widget to Notification History but it doesn't work the same here. When they're ones allowed onto my watch it is easy to see chronologically but since I silence most of those, I occasionally get indecipherable buzzing from the phone from uncertain notifications never to be discerned.

    NotiStar module from Good Lock, maybe?

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    I'm getting some kind of error popup that frequently flickers onto the screen but then disappears before I can read it, and the play store is immediately crashing whenever I open it. From the little I can make out I think play services might be repeatedly crashing. Anyone else dealt with anything like that before?

    edit: Managed to wrangle my way out of it by disabling the store and deleting all local data for it, then reenabling it. It's nice to not have to worry about my phone never being able to update anything ever again.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    So I think by far the most interesting part of the Pixel 8/Pro annoucement yesterday was that the Pixels are getting 7 years of OS updates, finally outpacing Samsung in the Android sphere and matching what exists over on the Apple side.

    This is very good news, and it is good for everyone.

    Now we have to wait to see if Google can build hardware that doesn't have some kind of crippling problem that will make most people want to throw it through a window after a couple years.

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