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[Android] Thread v. 2018: Pixel 6 is out. Google might be bad at phones.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    I just use Google. it's not great.

    my favorite part of it is how notifications tied to them just don't even occur at the times you set for them half the time (it was "better" on my 4a, but on my S23 they're always late by minutes).

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    I just use Google. it's not great.

    my favorite part of it is how notifications tied to them just don't even occur at the times you set for them half the time (it was "better" on my 4a, but on my S23 they're always late by minutes).

    What this probably is is the Google calendar app setting as "optimized" in battery settings. Optimized will put the app to sleep on occasion when the phone is on battery and will queue up notifications for when the phone is "active"

    ever pick up your phone after an hour and suddenly it seems that you get like 10 notifications all at once? That's the phone trying to manage the battery. "important" apps like messaging apps are exempt from this, but because on Samsung phones Google Calendar is not built in and has to be downloaded, it doesn't get that exemption by default. But that can be changed.

    In the settings for the app by going settings-->Apps-->Google Calendar go to battery settings and change it to unrestricted.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2023
    I'll give it a try, but I'm getting more and more unimpressed with trying to deal with android on samsung the longer I live with this S23. If it wasn't on sale for a song, I'd feel ripped off.

    edit: to be clear, I was having this issue on a google device as well in the past, albeit infrequently. As far as I could tell on the 4a, the battery management had nothing to do with it on that phone for this problem. this isn't the only issue I'm having with the s23 as well, and trying to look up issues and symptoms via google or reddit is almost an exercise in frustration and futility.

    edit edit: I do appreciate you posting a possible fix for that issue wunderbar. I'm just venting in general, and I'm sorry.

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    shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    I just use Google. it's not great.

    my favorite part of it is how notifications tied to them just don't even occur at the times you set for them half the time (it was "better" on my 4a, but on my S23 they're always late by minutes).

    What this probably is is the Google calendar app setting as "optimized" in battery settings. Optimized will put the app to sleep on occasion when the phone is on battery and will queue up notifications for when the phone is "active"

    ever pick up your phone after an hour and suddenly it seems that you get like 10 notifications all at once? That's the phone trying to manage the battery. "important" apps like messaging apps are exempt from this, but because on Samsung phones Google Calendar is not built in and has to be downloaded, it doesn't get that exemption by default. But that can be changed.

    In the settings for the app by going settings-->Apps-->Google Calendar go to battery settings and change it to unrestricted.

    I wonder if this is why I sometimes don't get emails for a while and then all of a sudden get 3 or 4 at once. I changed email and calendar to be Unrestricted so we'll see if that helps. Thanks for the advice.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Yeah, it's a battery management feature, to keep apps from constantly pinging notifications is a phone isn't in use. There is a task scheduler in android that keeps apps from constantly pinging and hitting the cell/wifi radios. It usually isn't something where the second you put it down it'll go an hour without checking, but it is usually measured in a few minutes at a time, and only when the phone is sitting idle and unused while on battery.

    This also isn't limited to Samsung, it's a feature built into Android, and used on Pixels as well. Some OEM's do it much more aggressively, brands like Xaiomi are known to be so bad that they'll just kill running apps altogether, keeping notifications coming from apps you actually want notifications from.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Mine has been doing that searches instead of quick links thing for a few weeks. It is very annoying but seems to be a deliberate choice.

    chrome://flags/#organic-repeatable-queries

    looks like you can disable it here

    Holy crap, you rock. Thank you so much.

    The true solution is to use Firefox Mobile

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    So, Google IO this week.

    I would absolutley buy the Pixel Tablet.... if the speaker dock funcioned as a smart speaker without the tablet attached. That seems like a huge missed opportunity. I could really use a Pixel deivce to play with, but the fact that every time I want to use the tablet it makes the smart speaker portion useless means that it doesn't replace an existing device. Really disappointed in that. Maybe if Google sold it for $100 less without the dock I'll revisit. Or Maybe Pixel Tablet 2 has a functioning smart speaker dock.

    The Pixel Fold looks great, but with Google's track record with Pixel Hardware, especially first gen stuff, waiting for reviews is critical there. I've grown to be very used to the taller narrow aspect ratio of the Z Fold series, and I do still prefer One UI over Pixel UI, but I am very happy Google is in this space, and hope the Pixel Fold is good.

    Pixel 7a looks like a helluva phone for $500, and the price drop of the 6a to $350 is even more a helluva phone. In that $350 range you won't find anything better. There is more competition for the 7a in the $500 range, but that 7a will be very competitive.

    But as weird as it still sounds, I'm still worried about Google's software. May was the first month in 4 months where the monthly Android update actually hit Pixel phones at the beginning of the month, and I really want Google to have a good solid phone without any bugs before I'd recommend a pixel over a Galaxy S phone, at least at the high end.

    And Samsung still has a longer software support timeline than Google. And Google makes Android. Maddening.

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    Yeah I think I will likely replace my surface duo with the pixel fold but going to wait for samsung to launch their fold 5 to see if they come down in price, as this duo was itself a bit disappointing for the price despite being pretty nifty at times.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    We're on Fi, so I decided to get the 7a with the 250 back via monthly credits. Replacing the 3a XL at last.

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    Jumped on the 7a with 250 credit as well. I hadn't heard that they moved to 5 years of support starting with the 6 line so that's nice, I generally stay getting battery issues around 3 but it's a helluva lot easier to deal with more charging when the other option is a pack of updates

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    Jumped on the 7a with 250 credit as well. I hadn't heard that they moved to 5 years of support starting with the 6 line so that's nice, I generally stay getting battery issues around 3 but it's a helluva lot easier to deal with more charging when the other option is a pack of updates

    The software support for Google is 3 years of OS updates and 5 years of security. So the 7a launches on 23, will get 14, 15, and 16, and then 2 years of security updates for 16.

    Samsung will support 4 years of OS updates and 5 years of security. So the recently launched A54 will get 14, 15, 16, and 17 and then one year of security updates for.17.

    That doesn't take anything away from the 7a, it looks fantastic for its price. I just fine it extremely weird that Samsung will provide better OS support to their phones than Google does.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Because by the second year Google had forgotten they made it and moved onto the next thing.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Random question... Is there a way to force auto correct for a specific word into something else?

    For example every time I type "lol" I want it to say "poopy butt"? Obviously I don't want to do that particular change........

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited May 2023
    Just tested with Gboard and Personal Dictionary:

    Navigate to personal dictionary
    Add a new phrase with a shortcut. Like "poopy butt" with shortcut of "lol"
    I have suggestion strip on, so words show up above the keyboard.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Ah so there's no way to fix a common misspelling? Like I seem to always type "loo" instead of "lol".

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    There's spelling suggestions and auto correct options, otherwises could do the personal dictionary of "lol" with shortcut of "loo" unless you're somewhere that uses a loo. Would have to click on it, not automatic. Mary be a way to just auto use personal dictionary.

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    BullheadBullhead Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    Ah so there's no way to fix a common misspelling? Like I seem to always type "loo" instead of "lol".

    I have this stuck in mine with "fir" instead of "for".

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    edited May 2023
    Usually there is an option to remove words from your predictions. So if your phone is convinced you want to write loo every time, you can tell it to never use loo.

    Oh Gboard, long press the word in the suggestion bar and a little trash can will appear

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Oh okay I removed "loo" from my dictionary and I think it worked lol

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    edited May 2023
    Tab groups didn't transfer to the new phone, sure hope I don't need any of those 80 tabs

    Edit: hahaha, it didn't transfer all of my Gboard preferences, got real confused and thought it changed keyboards on me when all of a sudden I had key outlines

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Ugh I'm getting the delayed notifications issue again. I have all adaptive battery turned off... Outlook running on full battery and I JUST got notification of a meeting that started at 11:30 (15 minutes ago)

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2023
    okay, I'm going insane here. do you need a specific samsung app installed to get external microphones to work with voice recorder/camera/discord etc? no matter what usb-c dac I try with my galaxy s23, I cannot get trss microphones to get detected. even direct into the dongle itself.

    edit: I managed to find this, and testing switching to usb mic using the apple usb-c to 3.5mm plugged into the trss y-splitter and the mic plugged in, it finally seems to detect the mic, but only in the pro camera app. rest of the phone doesn't fucking care that its there.

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    SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    okay, I'm going insane here. do you need a specific samsung app installed to get external microphones to work with voice recorder/camera/discord etc? no matter what usb-c dac I try with my galaxy s23, I cannot get trss microphones to get detected. even direct into the dongle itself.

    Depends on your headset/mic. CTIA and OMTP TRRS connectors are not compatible. To use an OMTP mic you'd need an adapter cable. If it's an Apple headset/mic, they are CTIA wired, but are deliberately broken to use non-standard signals, so won't work correctly on any standard CTIA device.

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    found my shifty google usb-c adapter, and that seems to work with the trss y-splitter in the phone, (and yeah they are CTIA, so it was apple's dongle's fault)

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    My contract is due to expire next month and I'm looking at picking up a folding phone. Currently using S20 FE so would probably stay on Samsung line but Fold 5 is rumored to release in August and I'm hoping the prices drop. Plus.... I don't really need a fold lmao. Stupid, sexy technology.

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    Big Classy wrote: »
    My contract is due to expire next month and I'm looking at picking up a folding phone. Currently using S20 FE so would probably stay on Samsung line but Fold 5 is rumored to release in August and I'm hoping the prices drop. Plus.... I don't really need a fold lmao. Stupid, sexy technology.

    My wife likes her Fold 4. I've been eyeing the Pixel Fold since my Surface Duo will stop getting security updates this fall and it has closer aspect ratios to the Duo, but also waiting for the Fold 5 release to push down the price on the 4 and hopefully the Pixel before I decide. The folding phones in my experience are kind of crappier as phones but really shine as productivity devices if any of your work requires auth apps in particular.

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    I decided on the s23 ultra as it was considerably cheaper. Considerably cheaper. It arrived this morning but it has these scuffs along the bottom. Weird because it was completely sealed and clearly new. I should contact 02 and tell them but then I'd have to return it and it's more of a hassle. I dunno tbh.

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    hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    Does a case cover it?

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    It probably could but then if i ever wanted to trade it in for another phone down the line there could be issues. Plus it's a bit disheartening seeing something new have damage like that already.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Yeah my main concern would be why there's already damage on a brand-new phone. It might be indicative of other issues that won't be readily apparent. At the very least, it shows that part of the phone that shouldn't have gotten past QC somehow managed to do so.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    I'd push back kinda hard and make them send a replacement first. You can give them the IMEI of the current phone so they make sure they get it back.

    Is there a nearby store/kiosk they can maybe send your replacement, if that's easier? Then you're not without a phone and they can keep track of the hardware.

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    .... So it turns out I'm an idiot who was very tired this morning when the phone turned up. I was rushing for work at the same time so only got a quick look at the phone but it's brushed metal. No scratches, just me being a dunce :lol:

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    that's good lol

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    pookapooka Registered User regular
    Apropos of nothing but recency, I just upgraded from my 2016 Moto G4 -- and because I couldn't give up a 3.5mm jack, expandable memory, and Moto gestures after much dithering, I got a 2023 Moto G Stylus 5g.

    It's too big, but the smallest with all those features, plus a nice older man helped me out while looking at tablets, so I gave him a sale instead of continuing to fret over phones.

    I need to play around with the stylus more and figure out if it's got onboard handwriting to text automation, but just being able to quickly jot notes with that tactile feedback is nifty. (Fake-edit: ooh! Apparently it automagically does it in text boxes. Not bad, maybe I can train it!) There's a really cool calculator you can just write equations into. Considering typing on phones frequently makes me feel I must have massive fingers from all the typos, this could be a game changer.

    I'm not a power user and it's early days, but so far I am pleased!

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Good ol' motorola carrying the torch of sanity of 3.5 mm audio jacks

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    TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    Last time I bought a phone, i got bit in the ass by Samsung putting a different, worse processor in the European version of the S20, resulting in shitty battery life in a phone that was reviewed to have great battery life.

    That phone is now in need of replacing, with a bad charging port and shattered screen.

    I'm leaning towards a Pixel 7a or 7, and I can buy it in Sweden now or the US when visiting in a week.

    It looks like the EU version is more expensive, but also has different radio bands? Anybody know how much difference that makes?

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Tarantio wrote: »
    Last time I bought a phone, i got bit in the ass by Samsung putting a different, worse processor in the European version of the S20, resulting in shitty battery life in a phone that was reviewed to have great battery life.

    That phone is now in need of replacing, with a bad charging port and shattered screen.

    I'm leaning towards a Pixel 7a or 7, and I can buy it in Sweden now or the US when visiting in a week.

    It looks like the EU version is more expensive, but also has different radio bands? Anybody know how much difference that makes?

    It will depend entirely on your carrier in Sweden and what bands they use for 4G/5G, unfortunately.

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    TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    Actually, on further investigation it looks like the different models are just the US Carrier versions that support millimeter wave, and everyone else? So I'd get a GVU6C either way?

    I'll see if I can confirm that there are no other differences, but I might jump on the $499 price for the Pixel 7 on Amazon today.

    My carrier in Sweden is Tele 2 right now, but I don't mind switching.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Not sure about the carrier stuff, but we like our 7 phones.

    I really miss the back fingerprint scanner from the last Pixel I had, but 7 is good if your don't mind the camera bump.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    I'm really appreciating the shift towards wider, more natural aspect ratio foldables. Be interesting to see if Samsung eventually follows suit or not.

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