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[Android] Thread v. 2018: The Note 10 is definitely a phone.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited August 10
    The big issue with USB C headphones is the lack of standardization. There's both analog and digital USB C headphones and not all of them work on every device.


    I don't feel as strongly about the jack as others, but that people care at all isn't surprising; headphones are like shoes, and when you find a pair that fits, you wanna keep using them. Having worked in a headphone department of a big box store, people are sooooo picky about their headphones, it's just gonna forever be one of those things going forward.

    Until someone else comes up with a better standard than the headphone jack, that is. And USB C isn't that.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    As a side note, nothing is more instantly vomit inducing as an old man trying to force his old, crusty, wax saturated earbuds into my hand so I can help him find the same pair, because you know they fit so damn good he won't use anything else

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  • Ear3nd1lEar3nd1l Eärendil the Mariner, father of Elrond Registered User regular
    I think it stems from this desire for phones to be 100% screen and as thin as a credit card. I would gladly take a phone that was a little thicc if I got a better battery out of it. I couldn't care less about the headphone jack, but a thicker phone would allow for that to stay as well, making everyone happy (except those who want thin phones).

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  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I do buy the argument that it's hard to find room for the headphone jack. Designing small electronics is always a question of space vs heat vs features vs everything else, and headphone jacks are not small. It's inevitable that it's an engineering problem to fit everything you want in there as well as the jack and at some point, as a company making phones, when you make a list of priorities for what you want your new product to be, headphone jack is never going to be high on the list overall and it's only going to slip lower and lower over time.

    I wonder what it is about an old input standard that makes all of you so sure it should be around forever. No other piece of day to day technology has any interest in utilizing the headphone jack. Cars don't use 3.5mm anymore, they're all USB aux cords now. PC headsets are all USB.

    What are the actual downsides of USB-C headphones? There's not being able to listen while charging, which is a) niche and b) easily solved if a company wanted to just put two USB C ports in (which are smaller than a headphone jack) and there's needing new USB-C headphones, which so far are in the box of most of the expensive phones. What other downsides are there?

    I have a pair of over the ear headphones that I love already. There are no good USB-c headphones because there is no USB-c audio standard. They're also almost all earbuds, which are awful and gross and never fit in my ears and they hurt. Also, the last time I used my phone to listen to music I was also charging it at the same time. It happens more often than you think, especially if you travel a lot. The adapter isn't even being included by default in new purchases for a lot of phones (including the new note is at least some regions).

    They've managed to engineer it into generations of phones without issue. Hell, Apple only removed it to get more royalties from peripheral manufacturers.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Ear3nd1l wrote: »
    I think it stems from this desire for phones to be 100% screen and as thin as a credit card. I would gladly take a phone that was a little thicc if I got a better battery out of it. I couldn't care less about the headphone jack, but a thicker phone would allow for that to stay as well, making everyone happy (except those who want thin phones).

    Hell, half the reason I got the super bulky case was to get it to a more reasonable thickness

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  • MugsleyMugsley Registered User regular
    edited August 10
    I take it you've never tried to plug your phone into the USB port of a rental car. They either work intermittently or not at all, and cars most definitely do still come with audio jacks. The same cars have notoriously shitty integrated Bluetooth. (we discuss this every generation of smartphone)

    So now I have to carry a Bluetooth adapter that plugs into the audio jack if I want my phone to reliably connect in a rental car.

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  • ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I do buy the argument that it's hard to find room for the headphone jack. Designing small electronics is always a question of space vs heat vs features vs everything else, and headphone jacks are not small. It's inevitable that it's an engineering problem to fit everything you want in there as well as the jack and at some point, as a company making phones, when you make a list of priorities for what you want your new product to be, headphone jack is never going to be high on the list overall and it's only going to slip lower and lower over time.

    I wonder what it is about an old input standard that makes all of you so sure it should be around forever. No other piece of day to day technology has any interest in utilizing the headphone jack. Cars don't use 3.5mm anymore, they're all USB aux cords now. PC headsets are all USB.

    What are the actual downsides of USB-C headphones? There's not being able to listen while charging, which is a) niche and b) easily solved if a company wanted to just put two USB C ports in (which are smaller than a headphone jack) and there's needing new USB-C headphones, which so far are in the box of most of the expensive phones. What other downsides are there?

    There is no issue with removing a headphone jack if there is a legitimate reason for doing so. With Samsung they have claimed its to make the device thinner and lighter and have a larger battery for the Note 10/10+. However, the claims fall apart when you look at the S10 series all had a headphone Jack and in tear downs on the 5G model could easily fit an S Pen enclosure there (the S10 5G is almost exact in size specifications to the Note 10+). If you look at the thinner and lighter argument the Note 10+ is only 0.01 thinner than the S10 5G and 0.01 lighter on the spec sheet. For battery capacity the Note 10+ has less capacity than the S10 5G.

    What’s also ironic for Samsung is that for years they have had advertising mocking competitors for removing the jack in their phones while Samsung promoted the fact they still had one as a USP. Suddenly these adverts have been wiped off Samsung official channels.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    I am a headphone fiend. I have two pairs of bluetooth headphones, a good set of wired headphones, a couple sets of wired earbuds, and even the google USB-C wired headphones.

    You know what works in 100% of the phones (with headphone jacks), the wired headphones. You know what works about 90% of the time? the Bluetooth headhpones. You know what might work if I do a little rain dance and pray? the USB-C headphones.

    USB-C headphones might work on a phone, they might not. My favorite right now is that USB-C headphones work for audio on my Note 9, but not for taking calls.

    And do not underestimate the need to charge and use headphones at the same time. My dad does this *all the time* taking conference calls for work. Or plenty of office warriors who want to listen to music all day while working but also not have a phone at 20% at the end of the day. We don't allow people to listen to streaming music on their work computers, so people do it from their phones.

    the promise of USB-C for audo is great, and honestly, I listen to bluetooth headphones more than wired headphones now, but wired headphones. just. work. Hell, my Sony WH-1000MK3's have excellent battery life, but if the battery dies on me, I plug in the cable and listen wired for the rest of the day.

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  • Ear3nd1lEar3nd1l Eärendil the Mariner, father of Elrond Registered User regular
    edited August 10
    Mugsley wrote: »
    I take it you've never tried to plug your phone into the USB port of a rental car. They either work intermittently or not at all, and cars most definitely do still come with audio jacks. The same cars have notoriously shitty integrated Bluetooth. (we discuss this every generation of smartphone)

    So now I have to carry a Bluetooth adapter that plugs into the audio jack if I want my phone to reliably connect in a rental car.

    You make a good point, I usually have a 12v charger with me when I rent a car.

    EDIT: I will say that almost all the Fords I have ever rented have had wonderful Bluetooth support.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx And I said, hol up Registered User regular
    I wanted to comment that the demographic who wants to listen while charging isn't niche, but rather most people who travel.

    Its either listen/charge or blow $200 on noise cancelling true wireless buds (I hear the Sony ones are quite nice).

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  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 11
    The big issue with USB C headphones is the lack of standardization. There's both analog and digital USB C headphones and not all of them work on every device.

    I love the very last part of that video. Dude is absolutely right, "put the 3.5mm jack back in the damn phone"... as he clutches 3.5mm headphones plugged into the LG phone for emphasis.

    The moral of the story is, when weighing up which phone to get, Samsungs, Pixels, etc, etc... don't forget LG. They're good! Honestly!

    ( /iamashill :lol: )

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  • MugsleyMugsley Registered User regular
    Gordon Ung is pretty damn awesome. His work at MaximumPC (magazine and podcast) helped me cut my teeth when I wanted to learn tech.

    The tech journos who went through there are my short list of people who know about the industry and will give you solid insight (off the top of my head: Nathan Edwards, Dave Murphy, Florence Ion, Will Smith, and Norman Chan (both started the Tested website and do Still Untitled with Adam Savage).

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    LG's big problem is that A) Their UI skin suuuuuuucks and B) Their OS updates take forever. The hardware is fine.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited August 14
    a5ehren wrote: »
    LG's big problem is that A) Their UI skin suuuuuuucks and B) Their OS updates take forever. The hardware is fine.

    I like the default UI launcher. It's not perfect, but at least it doesn't have some bullshit unremovable search bar element in it (on my phone anyway).

    That being said, I changed the theme immediately and am currently using G6 UX 6.0 Black, which I like except for the annoying decision to make phone calls display solid green or red. But I'm still trying to find an Android interface I really like, and it was the same back on Nova Launcher on my PRIV. Something like half of the LG Themes available for free are OnePlus clones, which I don't want.

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  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 15
    a5ehren wrote: »
    LG's big problem is that A) Their UI skin suuuuuuucks and B) Their OS updates take forever. The hardware is fine.

    I really have no problem with the UI skin or launcher. I'm running default on my V30. The skin is toned down a lot on the V30 compared to what it was on the G4, but I didn't mind it then. It has a few tweaks that honestly I sorely miss on other Android phones.

    The OS updates have also improved significantly, but yeah, they are still slower than I'd like. They're not terrible on security updates, I just wish they wouldn't chuck in UI tweaks and not include those in the patch notes. I don't care for them being surprises.

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