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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Did Peter fuck up?

    He let one thief steal from another. With a personal motive, sure, but I don't see it as an inherent failure.

    You are thinking of the movie.

    The comic is just a thief running past him as a cop asks him to help stop the thief and Parker responds “sorry pal, not my problem, I am only looking out for number 1 now, me!” And all he had to do was stick his foot out.

    So yeah, he fucked up.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Did Peter fuck up?

    He let one thief steal from another. With a personal motive, sure, but I don't see it as an inherent failure.

    You are thinking of the movie.

    The comic is just a thief running past him as a cop asks him to help stop the thief and Parker responds “sorry pal, not my problem, I am only looking out for number 1 now, me!” And all he had to do was stick his foot out.

    So yeah, he fucked up.

    Ah yeah fair I only know it from the movie

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Peter is way more of a greedy asshole in the comic.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    i have yet to see an adaptation of spider-man use the original chip on his shoulder parker, and that bums me out

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    i have yet to see an adaptation of spider-man use the original chip on his shoulder parker, and that bums me out

    I really liked in the house of M series that without uncle Ben’s death to motivate and change him, Peter becomes a gigantic rich asshole.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I mean it was a verbal interview

    He didnt write that, he was interviewed

    I think expecting him to be extremely precise in how he quickly mentions one of, if not the, most well known comic origins in the world or else accusing him of victim blaming children for their parents deaths when speaking about Batman is more than a little ridiculous

    The idea that Bruce holds himself responsible, as an adult, for his parents death is a theme in versions of Batman ranging from BTAS to the Nolan movies to all sorts of comics, using verbal shorthand rather than going in depth on a character the interview isnt even about isnt a goddamn mortal sin

    Blank, why are you continually claiming I am attacking the moral character of the author?
    Generally I find statements like
    Then he should of communicated that idea across far better because as it is it reads like he is directly victim-blaming a child for not stopping an armed assault.

    As an attack on someone's character

    And that is fair critique of my position.

    I don't want to come across as attacking the moral character of the author.

    But I think he made a critical misstep in how he presented certain items in that interview, and I feel it is fair to critique him for that.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    CBR: EXCLUSIVE: DC’s Freedom Fighters Make Their Triumphant, Nazi-Punching Return
    DC’s Nazi fighting Earth-X dream team, the Freedom Fighters, are making a triumphant return in the Rebirth era with a brand new twelve issue limited series by writer Rob Venditti and artist Eddy Barrows, set to hit shelves this winter.

    Featuring some new takes on the familiar faces of the Freedom Fighter’s original roster: Human Bomb, Black Condor, Doll Woman and Phantom Lady Freedom Fighters #1 is set in Earth-X’s version of 2018, where the population of America has lived in fear of an oppressive Nazi regime since their ultimate victory in World War II.
    Hrmmm

    Venditti has been really good on Hawkman which is the right kind of pulpy that I would want out of Freedom Fighters

    But giving it to a middle age white dude writer (i believe Barrows is Brazilian?) instead of a minority creative team in 2018 is a big bummer

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I mean it was a verbal interview

    He didnt write that, he was interviewed

    I think expecting him to be extremely precise in how he quickly mentions one of, if not the, most well known comic origins in the world or else accusing him of victim blaming children for their parents deaths when speaking about Batman is more than a little ridiculous

    The idea that Bruce holds himself responsible, as an adult, for his parents death is a theme in versions of Batman ranging from BTAS to the Nolan movies to all sorts of comics, using verbal shorthand rather than going in depth on a character the interview isnt even about isnt a goddamn mortal sin

    Blank, why are you continually claiming I am attacking the moral character of the author?
    Generally I find statements like
    Then he should of communicated that idea across far better because as it is it reads like he is directly victim-blaming a child for not stopping an armed assault.

    As an attack on someone's character

    And that is fair critique of my position.

    I don't want to come across as attacking the moral character of the author.

    But I think he made a critical misstep in how he presented certain items in that interview, and I feel it is fair to critique him for that.
    Yeah that's fine, personally I give him the benefit of the doubt given his past work I've read and his general political stances I know due to following him on Twitter but I understand someone who doesnt have that context feeling differently

    I just felt you were being super aggressive towards Orlando's motives and moral failings over an interview response and I like the dude

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I mean it was a verbal interview

    He didnt write that, he was interviewed

    I think expecting him to be extremely precise in how he quickly mentions one of, if not the, most well known comic origins in the world or else accusing him of victim blaming children for their parents deaths when speaking about Batman is more than a little ridiculous

    The idea that Bruce holds himself responsible, as an adult, for his parents death is a theme in versions of Batman ranging from BTAS to the Nolan movies to all sorts of comics, using verbal shorthand rather than going in depth on a character the interview isnt even about isnt a goddamn mortal sin

    Blank, why are you continually claiming I am attacking the moral character of the author?
    Generally I find statements like
    Then he should of communicated that idea across far better because as it is it reads like he is directly victim-blaming a child for not stopping an armed assault.

    As an attack on someone's character

    And that is fair critique of my position.

    I don't want to come across as attacking the moral character of the author.

    But I think he made a critical misstep in how he presented certain items in that interview, and I feel it is fair to critique him for that.
    Yeah that's fine, personally I give him the benefit of the doubt given his past work I've read and his general political stances I know due to following him on Twitter but I understand someone who doesnt have that context feeling differently

    I just felt you were being super aggressive towards Orlando's motives and moral failings over an interview response and I like the dude

    And I was but one of my buttons is victim blaming children.

    So, yeah, if it even appears like that is happening that'll send me off on anyone no matter their history/beliefs/values.

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    DC thread, how do you feel about superman: grounded

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    DC thread, how do you feel about superman: grounded
    Fuckin garbage when JMS is on it, shockingly good when Chris Robinson takes over for the back half

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    darunia106darunia106 J-bob in games Death MountainRegistered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Well that comic is "over there." And "over there" has to take care of it's own problems.

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    DC thread, how do you feel about superman: grounded

    I feel like he would respect Ma and Pa Kent's decision and go to his room

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    DC thread, how do you feel about superman: grounded

    I feel like he would respect Ma and Pa Kent's decision and go to his room

    Unless he's wearing his red kryptonite class ring, that is!

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    I love this cover and also the more Grey-influenced design with J'onn's head Rossmo is doing

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    AuralynxAuralynx Darkness is a perspective Watching the ego workRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    DC thread, how do you feel about superman: grounded

    I feel like he would respect Ma and Pa Kent's decision and go to his room

    There's probably enough cool stuff in the Fortress of Solitude that it's not much of a punishment, really.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    I love this cover and also the more Grey-influenced design with J'onn's head Rossmo is doing

    This would make a fantastic album cover.

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    I love this cover and also the more Grey-influenced design with J'onn's head Rossmo is doing
    That's a dope cover, but also something about J'onn's depiction there makes me think of Mike Allred's art style, and now I want to see an Allred-drawn J'onn.

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    DC thread, how do you feel about superman: grounded
    Fuckin garbage when JMS is on it, shockingly good when Chris Robinson takes over for the back half

    yeah people seemed to hate it after skimming some stuff online? I grabbed the first volume with a handful of other discounted trades just based on it being JMS.

    it's... strange. it's not all bad, though? he seems a bit pissy in a way that i don't mind, taken with the assumption that he is kinda screwed up from new krypton in this book like everyone keeps saying. I dunno, this will probably mark it out as a "yeah exactly, I hate that dude" for plenty but he reminds me of a much more loquacious DCEU superman
    darunia106 wrote: »
    Well that comic is "over there." And "over there" has to take care of it's own problems.

    his conflict resolution here is EXTREMELY DCEU superman. superman you just set a bunch of house fires! what the hell! I don't expect you to solve race and class inequality on your walkabout but you're super not helping here

    That said, I feel like "over there" having to take care of its own problems isn't the intended meaning of those panels, but this poor kid has a valid point and said point doesn't really properly tee up the confusing wordplay supes has got going on with his philosophizing

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    Making him more alien looking somehow makes that classic costume look more modern than his current costume

    I love it

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    This is making me think of a Superman-type-character depiction that I love: The Samaritan from Astro City. Most of the time that you see him, he's basically Distant Perfect Sky Dad - always swooping in to save someone, maybe give a pithy one-liner about how you're safe or how he hopes you do better next time or whatever, and then swoops away. Not a character so much as a cardboard cut-out.

    But the very first issue of the series is actually a day in the life of the Samaritan. You see him from the moment he wakes up to the moment he falls asleep. The entire issue is him flying from place to place so quickly that normal people can't even see him, saving folks, preventing disasters, checking in at work to keep up his secret identity, meeting up with the super-team that he's a member of to take care of whatever, and so on. And - the entire time - counting seconds. Seconds that he's traveling in between crises, seconds where he's not actively saving lives:
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    Then, at the end of the day, he reflects:
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    I know that the idea of a Superman-type who's agonizing over not being able to save everyone isn't new, but I think that Astro City - at least at the start of the series - is less about wildly innovating on classic superhero stories and more about executing them at the highest level of quality. There's some stuff in this issue that really squeezes my emotions in a tight fist - the very first couple of pages and the last few pages (which come right after the third image I posted), and I recommend it to everyone.

    (Blank, thank you for actively lauding Astro City previously, and for telling me to just buy all of it when it was on sale on comiXology and I was asking here which collections I should buy.)

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Superman and Martian Manhunter talk got me remembering my favourite MM moment.

    I think it's from the cartoon Justice League comic?

    edit- yes, It's from the Justice League Adventures comic. Must There Be A Martian Manhunter?
    There's a villain who can make people's fears a reality and she's causing havoc for some reason or other. The Justice League swoops in and Superman starts calming the people telling them that they don't need to be afraid. To which the villain says to the public "what's that? You're afraid that I have gun that can hurt Superman?" And then she materialises a gun and shoots Superman.

    He's then dying and is put in hospital and the villain gets away.

    The League decides that J'onn needs to fill in for Superman, to give people hope, as people are understandably quite afraid. So he shapeshifts into Superman and goes around giving people hope against the villain's fear monsters. This reduces the amount of fear that the villain can use.

    Then they have another fight with the villain and she pulls out the gun again, only this time it doesn't work, cos he's not really Superman. I've forgotten what exactly happened after that, the population isn't scared anymore but the fear monsters are still up and active. So... "Superman" gets eaten by a fear monster. Only for J'onn to rise up out of it and reveal that he knows where the fear is coming from, because the villain is afraid too. And I'm not sure what he does but I like to remember that he gives her a hug. Once all the fear weapons disappear Superman gets better.

    It's a neat story because it dug into J'onn and his status as a Superman copy. Super strength, flight, alien visitor from another planet etc. People didn't want Martian Manhunter, they wanted him to be Superman. But in the end it's his unique abilities that enable him to save the day.

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Astro City is the most consistently great comic in existence.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    There's three long-running independent comic series that I don't think have ever had a bad issue: Astro City, Usagi Yojimbo, and Hellboy.

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
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    CBR: EXCLUSIVE: DC’s Freedom Fighters Make Their Triumphant, Nazi-Punching Return
    DC’s Nazi fighting Earth-X dream team, the Freedom Fighters, are making a triumphant return in the Rebirth era with a brand new twelve issue limited series by writer Rob Venditti and artist Eddy Barrows, set to hit shelves this winter.

    Featuring some new takes on the familiar faces of the Freedom Fighter’s original roster: Human Bomb, Black Condor, Doll Woman and Phantom Lady Freedom Fighters #1 is set in Earth-X’s version of 2018, where the population of America has lived in fear of an oppressive Nazi regime since their ultimate victory in World War II.

    I'm all in on the Nazi punching. If the first issue has Uncle Sam punching a Nazi, I'll buy two copies.

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    CBR: EXCLUSIVE: DC’s Freedom Fighters Make Their Triumphant, Nazi-Punching Return
    DC’s Nazi fighting Earth-X dream team, the Freedom Fighters, are making a triumphant return in the Rebirth era with a brand new twelve issue limited series by writer Rob Venditti and artist Eddy Barrows, set to hit shelves this winter.

    Featuring some new takes on the familiar faces of the Freedom Fighter’s original roster: Human Bomb, Black Condor, Doll Woman and Phantom Lady Freedom Fighters #1 is set in Earth-X’s version of 2018, where the population of America has lived in fear of an oppressive Nazi regime since their ultimate victory in World War II.
    Hrmmm

    Venditti has been really good on Hawkman which is the right kind of pulpy that I would want out of Freedom Fighters

    But giving it to a middle age white dude writer (i believe Barrows is Brazilian?) instead of a minority creative team in 2018 is a big bummer

    If Ibwere going to start reading Hawkman, where should I start? Is there a tpb I should start with?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
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    CBR: EXCLUSIVE: DC’s Freedom Fighters Make Their Triumphant, Nazi-Punching Return
    DC’s Nazi fighting Earth-X dream team, the Freedom Fighters, are making a triumphant return in the Rebirth era with a brand new twelve issue limited series by writer Rob Venditti and artist Eddy Barrows, set to hit shelves this winter.

    Featuring some new takes on the familiar faces of the Freedom Fighter’s original roster: Human Bomb, Black Condor, Doll Woman and Phantom Lady Freedom Fighters #1 is set in Earth-X’s version of 2018, where the population of America has lived in fear of an oppressive Nazi regime since their ultimate victory in World War II.
    Hrmmm

    Venditti has been really good on Hawkman which is the right kind of pulpy that I would want out of Freedom Fighters

    But giving it to a middle age white dude writer (i believe Barrows is Brazilian?) instead of a minority creative team in 2018 is a big bummer

    If Ibwere going to start reading Hawkman, where should I start? Is there a tpb I should start with?
    Not yet, issue 4 just came out yesterday

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Delduwath wrote: »
    This is making me think of a Superman-type-character depiction that I love: The Samaritan from Astro City. Most of the time that you see him, he's basically Distant Perfect Sky Dad - always swooping in to save someone, maybe give a pithy one-liner about how you're safe or how he hopes you do better next time or whatever, and then swoops away. Not a character so much as a cardboard cut-out.

    But the very first issue of the series is actually a day in the life of the Samaritan. You see him from the moment he wakes up to the moment he falls asleep. The entire issue is him flying from place to place so quickly that normal people can't even see him, saving folks, preventing disasters, checking in at work to keep up his secret identity, meeting up with the super-team that he's a member of to take care of whatever, and so on. And - the entire time - counting seconds. Seconds that he's traveling in between crises, seconds where he's not actively saving lives:
    nH4p7Mz.jpg?1
    aXdkbta.jpg?1

    Then, at the end of the day, he reflects:
    aknHyor.jpg

    I know that the idea of a Superman-type who's agonizing over not being able to save everyone isn't new, but I think that Astro City - at least at the start of the series - is less about wildly innovating on classic superhero stories and more about executing them at the highest level of quality. There's some stuff in this issue that really squeezes my emotions in a tight fist - the very first couple of pages and the last few pages (which come right after the third image I posted), and I recommend it to everyone.

    (Blank, thank you for actively lauding Astro City previously, and for telling me to just buy all of it when it was on sale on comiXology and I was asking here which collections I should buy.)
    To be clear, at the end he is counting up seconds he flew

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    DC Universe launched today

    They are offering a free 7 Day trial, and have messages saying that all of the content isn't available yet and more will be added in October

    They've got all of the DCAU except for the Zeta project
    Brave and the Bold
    Young Justice
    Superfriends
    Constantine
    Lois and Clark
    Teen Titans

    And others but nothing I really care about personally

    Notable abenseces are all of the CW DC programming, even Smallville.

    Movie wise they've got all of the Batman flicks and Superman flicks, and most of the direct to video animated movies (including the recent Death of Superman one which is supposedly pretty good).

    Comics wise they have more than I expected, but it's a bit of a crap shoot because they only have full runs of a handful of books.

    Stuff that caught my eye:
    First arc of Blue Beetle
    New Frontier
    Both good Deadshot minis
    The Morrison Doom Patrol
    Formerly Known as the Justice League
    Green Arrow: Year One
    Hitman
    I, Vampire
    Impulse
    The Amanda Conner Power Girl
    Starman
    Ostrander Suicide Squad
    Superman/Shazam: First Thunder
    The Authority
    First arc of All-New Atom
    The DCAU Batman, Batman Beyond and Superman comics
    New Gods
    Moore's Swamp Thing

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Oh so it's worth it entirely for having the best run of comics DC ever published, good to know

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Oh so it's worth it entirely for having the best run of comics DC ever published, good to know
    Yes, I also enjoyed Hitman.

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Oh so it's worth it entirely for having the best run of comics DC ever published, good to know
    Yes, I also enjoyed Hitman.

    You misspelled “New Frontier”.

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    my biggest hurdle with dc universe is not having a ps4 app

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    my biggest hurdle with dc universe is not having a ps4 app

    I presume they'll have to add it at some point.

    I need to be able to stream the best live-action Superman into my bedroom.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    my biggest hurdle with dc universe is not having a ps4 app

    I want it on Switch

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    yeah but i don't have a switch

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    yeah but i don't have a switch

    Yet?

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    well yeah i will eventually get one

    but i want lois and clark on my ps4 now

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Lois was good

    Clark was also good

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    The And, however? Don't care for it

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