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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    I'm pretty sure Cartoon Network is, though since JLU and Teen Titans ended, I'm not really sure what they're spending their cash on.

    And why on earth would they? Small children are not a discerning audience. They don't care what's on... just that they can buy the action figures/cards/game/collectable widgets associated with it.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Futurama? The Venture Brothers? Samurai Jack? TERRIBLE CARTOONS ARRRRRRRRRRRRGH BUSHIDO SMASH

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    I'm pretty sure Cartoon Network is, though since JLU and Teen Titans ended, I'm not really sure what they're spending their cash on.

    And why on earth would they? Small children are not a discerning audience. They don't care what's on... just that they can buy the action figures/cards/game/collectable widgets associated with it.
    But shouldn't we, as the guardians of the little chillin' care? (I say we in the general sense of the 20-30 generation who might have kids who watch this. I don't, personally). Shouldn't we care that kids are being fed worse drivel than we were?

    We had Animaniacs and Exosquad and ReBoot. What do they have? Winx and Spyder Riders.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Are you seriously putting forth Exosquad as an example of non-commercialized TV programming?

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Arg I just watched the last episode of Dark Water... Damn they could have finished it, I could tell it was made to be 3 seasons long and it ended at 2.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    I'm pretty sure Cartoon Network is, though since JLU and Teen Titans ended, I'm not really sure what they're spending their cash on.

    And why on earth would they? Small children are not a discerning audience. They don't care what's on... just that they can buy the action figures/cards/game/collectable widgets associated with it.
    But shouldn't we, as the guardians of the little chillin' care? (I say we in the general sense of the 20-30 generation who might have kids who watch this. I don't, personally). Shouldn't we care that kids are being fed worse drivel than we were?

    We had Animaniacs and Exosquad and ReBoot. What do they have? Winx and Spyder Riders.

    That is because nobody is awake on Saturday mornings. The afternoon and Friday night cartoon blocks are the new Saturday morning blocks. Courage the Cowardly Dog is awesome

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    One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    But shouldn't we, as the guardians of the little chillin' care? (I say we in the general sense of the 20-30 generation who might have kids who watch this. I don't, personally). Shouldn't we care that kids are being fed worse drivel than we were?

    We had Animaniacs and Exosquad and ReBoot. What do they have? Winx and Spyder Riders.

    To be fair, though, for every Animaniacs or ReBoot, there was probably, like, 5 more cartoons that sucked utter balls.

    However, as a sibling of a child who watches the Disney channel religiously and tries not to miss a single showing of The Suite Life of Zack and Cody if she can help it, the idea that the folks taking care of me in my golden years will have been raised on this drivel scares the living shit out of me.

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited May 2007
    We also had things like He-Man, Captain N, The New Adventures of Godzilla, Street Sharks, and Count Duckula. There's a fucking crapload of shit on both ends of the spectrum. I'm sure if I was hip with the times, I could point out examples of intelligent cartoon shows.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I must have been born in the bad times. Right when all the good shows ended, but before all the crap began. Let me tell you something. IT'S FUCKING 7 YEAR OLDS! You could put on a half an hour of a cat meowing and get decent ratings. So, execs don't care. It costs 5 bucks to get the cat meowing, or 100 to get the good cartoon(grossly oversimplified). They go with the 5 dollar cat and add 95 bucks to their salary. That's the end of it.
    Execs just don't care.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Man, I don't care what you said. X-Men was great, and got consistantly better every season until the last one which will not be mentioned because it was so awful that it can't possibly be considered the same series.


    But no cartoon will ever manage to reach the pinnacle that Batman: TAS did. It was fantastic.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.


    Have you watched the fucking Winx Club?

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Senor Fish wrote: »
    I must have been born in the bad times. Right when all the good shows ended, but before all the crap began. Let me tell you something. IT'S FUCKING 7 YEAR OLDS! You could put on a half an hour of a cat meowing and get decent ratings. So, execs don't care. It costs 5 bucks to get the cat meowing, or 100 to get the good cartoon(grossly oversimplified). They go with the 5 dollar cat and add 95 bucks to their salary. That's the end of it.
    Execs just don't care.

    Is it just one cat and how cute is the the cat or cats? If they were really cute, I would watch it.

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.


    Have you watched the fucking Winx Club?


    Have you watched Jem?

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Are you seriously putting forth Exosquad as an example of non-commercialized TV programming?
    No, I'm putting it forth as commercialized programming that didn't suck.

    You can't escape the commercialism inherent in kids programming, though it has become more pervasive. What you can do is dress it up with a character and plot and story and cool concept. I'd argue that a bunch of guys fighting evil bioandroids in powered armors is an objectively better concept than a world where everything is decided by, to quote Little Kuriboh, "A children's card game!"

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.


    Have you watched fucking watched Winx Club?

    Have you watched the cartoons aimed at girls back in the 80's?

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    He-Man, Back to the Future, Transformers, TMNT, Spider-Man, Pirates of Dark Water, Beatle Juice, Eeeek The cat, boby's world, Thunder-Cats..

    All kicked ass and still do.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Senor Fish wrote: »
    I must have been born in the bad times. Right when all the good shows ended, but before all the crap began. Let me tell you something. IT'S FUCKING 7 YEAR OLDS! You could put on a half an hour of a cat meowing and get decent ratings. So, execs don't care. It costs 5 bucks to get the cat meowing, or 100 to get the good cartoon(grossly oversimplified). They go with the 5 dollar cat and add 95 bucks to their salary. That's the end of it.
    Execs just don't care.

    Is it just one cat and how cute is the the cat or cats? If they were really cute, I would watch it.
    Different amount every episode, but always really cute. There would also be a spin-off in the fourth season involving puppies with laser eyes. That would be the toy-seller.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    But shouldn't we, as the guardians of the little chillin' care? (I say we in the general sense of the 20-30 generation who might have kids who watch this. I don't, personally). Shouldn't we care that kids are being fed worse drivel than we were?

    We had Animaniacs and Exosquad and ReBoot. What do they have? Winx and Spyder Riders.

    To be fair, though, for every Animaniacs or ReBoot, there was probably, like, 5 more cartoons that sucked utter balls.

    However, as a sibling of a child who watches the Disney channel religiously and tries not to miss a single showing of The Suite Life of Zack and Cody if she can help it, the idea that the folks taking care of me in my golden years will have been raised on this drivel scares the living shit out of me.

    I'm sure the idea that they're no happier about the prospect of being raised by people who were raised by goatse and tubgirl

    (am i doing this right? implying that exposure to one medium guarantees retardation?)

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited May 2007
    Wait.

    Wait a minute here.

    Who here has watched the Winx Club?

    Cop to it.

    And why?

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.


    Have you watched fucking watched Winx Club?

    Have you watched the cartoons aimed at girls back in the 80's?

    I can't think of any shows aimed at girls back in the 80's...

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Wait.

    Wait a minute here.

    Who here has watched the Winx Club?

    Cop to it.

    And why?

    I was that bored and wanted to see what has become of Saturday morning cartoons.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.


    Have you watched fucking watched Winx Club?

    Have you watched the cartoons aimed at girls back in the 80's?

    I can't think of any shows aimed at girls back in the 80's...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz4QRB25DSI&mode=related&search=
    You probably just ignored it when you were a wee lad.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    But shouldn't we, as the guardians of the little chillin' care? (I say we in the general sense of the 20-30 generation who might have kids who watch this. I don't, personally). Shouldn't we care that kids are being fed worse drivel than we were?

    We had Animaniacs and Exosquad and ReBoot. What do they have? Winx and Spyder Riders.

    To be fair, though, for every Animaniacs or ReBoot, there was probably, like, 5 more cartoons that sucked utter balls.

    However, as a sibling of a child who watches the Disney channel religiously and tries not to miss a single showing of The Suite Life of Zack and Cody if she can help it, the idea that the folks taking care of me in my golden years will have been raised on this drivel scares the living shit out of me.

    I'm sure the idea that they're no happier about the prospect of being raised by people who were raised by goatse and tubgirl

    (am i doing this right? implying that exposure to one medium guarantees retardation?)
    Actually, I'm kind of scared at that prospect too.

    Although I don't know if you can equate "occassionally viewing" with "being raised by". Someone who watches Pokemon every morning is going to be raised by it. Someone who once and a while stumbles across/is tricked into looking at shock sites isn't. Unless that person is actively seeking out that stuff.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Gadzooks. Something else is popular cultural than when you were a child. Warn the authorities.

    It has nothing to do with that but the huge cuts in budget. No one is throwing enough money to produce good cartoons anymore.

    Provide stats and proof, or get out.

    I mean, have you actually gone back and watched these 'golden era' cartoons? Most of them are fucking terrible.


    Have you watched fucking watched Winx Club?

    Have you watched the cartoons aimed at girls back in the 80's?

    I can't think of any shows aimed at girls back in the 80's...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz4QRB25DSI&mode=related&search=
    You probably just ignored it when you were a wee lad.

    OMG I remember that now... I don't think I ever watched an episode though..

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    Bad KittyBad Kitty Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Wow, I remember Pirates of Dark Water. Really action epic-y. I'm not sure if there are many decent Saturday morning cartoon shows that are not of the anime variety currently running. Avatar I think is a fun action adventure show in similar vein to Dark Water, and Kim Possible is decent, if only for the quips and witty banter.

    My favourites were Sailor Moon, The Tick, and strangely Carmen Sandiego. I learned so much useless trivia from that show, and always had a nagging suspicion that Carmen had a thing for Ivy (I was weird). Only The Tick has aged well, though mostly in the comedy department and not in the animation.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    OMG I remember that now... I don't think I ever watched an episode though..

    I think I enjoyed Jem at least as much as I did He-Man.

    I mean, she's Outrageous.

    He's just.

    Nearly naked, and well-oiled.

    Um.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Wait.

    Wait a minute here.

    Who here has watched the Winx Club?

    Cop to it.

    And why?
    Not me. How bad is it?
    I like your avatar. Should probably watch the Sgt. Frog anime.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    Although I don't know if you can equate "occassionally viewing" with "being raised by". Someone who watches Pokemon every morning is going to be raised by it. Someone who once and a while stumbles across/is tricked into looking at shock sites isn't. Unless that person is actively seeking out that stuff.

    This is retarded, you're retarded. Simply because someone spends 30 minutes a day watching Pokemon in your youth doesn't mean when you grow up you're going to be all "gotta collect all these things!"

    Unless you also think that my playing lots of DooM as a kid means I'm more inclined to kill you than someone else?
    Zampano wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Are you seriously putting forth Exosquad as an example of non-commercialized TV programming?
    No, I'm putting it forth as commercialized programming that didn't suck.

    You can't escape the commercialism inherent in kids programming, though it has become more pervasive. What you can do is dress it up with a character and plot and story and cool concept. I'd argue that a bunch of guys fighting evil bioandroids in powered armors is an objectively better concept than a world where everything is decided by, to quote Little Kuriboh, "A children's card game!"

    I submit that liking one thing over another is an entirely subjective comparison.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    Although I don't know if you can equate "occassionally viewing" with "being raised by". Someone who watches Pokemon every morning is going to be raised by it. Someone who once and a while stumbles across/is tricked into looking at shock sites isn't. Unless that person is actively seeking out that stuff.

    This is retarded, you're retarded. Simply because someone spends 30 minutes a day watching Pokemon in your youth doesn't mean when you grow up you're going to be all "gotta collect all these things!"

    Actually, that seems to have worked fairly well, given the fact that Diamond and Pearl sold a million copies in five days.

    And I don't believe that you can really be "raised" by the media, unless your parent's are extraordinarily neglectful. I was simply using the common phrase which just happens to be a hyperbole. What we view in the media at an early age will shape, in part, our view of what we think is cool and interesting, though perhaps not our behavior. And if that happens to be utterly mindless, then how is that going to affect the viewers as they grow up

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited May 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    Although I don't know if you can equate "occassionally viewing" with "being raised by". Someone who watches Pokemon every morning is going to be raised by it. Someone who once and a while stumbles across/is tricked into looking at shock sites isn't. Unless that person is actively seeking out that stuff.

    This is retarded, you're retarded. Simply because someone spends 30 minutes a day watching Pokemon in your youth doesn't mean when you grow up you're going to be all "gotta collect all these things!"

    Actually, that seems to have worked fairly well, given the fact that Diamond and Pearl sold a million copies in five days.

    And I don't believe that you can really be "raised" by the media, unless your parent's are extraordinarily neglectful. I was simply using the common phrase which just happens to be a hyperbole.

    You'll also notice that a lot of the people buying it are older people, too. Notice the fact the game's getting a lot of praise on these forums, even in the D&D chat thread. Irond Will - our 33-year-old mod - bought a copy.

    The game suckers in little children by getting lots of cute characters, and gets the older players by having solid, complex gameplay.

    Would you like to try again, sir?

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
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    That show kicked ass and was based on a toy line.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
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    That show kicked ass and was based on a toy line.

    When was the last time you watched an episode of this show?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Also, the Inspector Gadget theme song will forever be in my head.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    That show kicked ass and was based on a Polly Pocket with monsters.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    What Japanese kids show targetted to the 12 and under has much violence?

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