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[California Politics] America's Hippie Commune

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Hunters lawyers are trying arguments I would love to slap them for even trying to say with straight faces. Things like arguing that because a little over half of San Diego voted for Clinton in 2016 the jury wouldn't be impartial so clearly the trial should be moved to Larsen where 80% of people voted for Trump.

    And that's just one of the less egregious arguments they're trying

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Hunters lawyers are trying arguments I would love to slap them for even trying to say with straight faces. Things like arguing that because a little over half of San Diego voted for Clinton in 2016 the jury wouldn't be impartial so clearly the trial should be moved to Larsen where 80% of people voted for Trump.

    And that's just one of the less egregious arguments they're trying

    To be fair, when you're that fucked, you're desperate. And desperate times call for desperate measures.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And they really are grasping for straws:



    Kyle Cheney is a reporter for Politico.

    "It's OK, everyone does it" is not a fucking defense!

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Still wanna slap them

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    And they really are grasping for straws:


    Kyle Cheney is a reporter for Politico.

    "It's OK, everyone does it" is not a fucking defense!

    Wasn't he the one defending that one SEAL's war crimes with "everyone does it"? At least he'd be consistent

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    And they really are grasping for straws:


    Kyle Cheney is a reporter for Politico.

    "It's OK, everyone does it" is not a fucking defense!

    Wasn't he the one defending that one SEAL's war crimes with "everyone does it"? At least he'd be consistent

    That was more because he's openly admitted to committing war crimes.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah I don't know if bringing in his military service would be as slam dunk as he thinks when he's admitted to literal war crimes.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Newsom's first budget is signed.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-government-spending-budget-20190627-htmlstory.html
    California will increase its spending on public education, expand healthcare services and stash away more money than ever for an economic downturn under the state budget signed Thursday by Gov. Gavin Newsom — a plan that was stalled for two weeks over how it would address the state’s growing housing crisis.

    The $214.8-billion budget is the largest in state history. The majority of its provisions take effect next week, though some new services won’t be funded until January in an effort to lower the short-term cost.
    The governor, who took office in January, was largely able to persuade Democrats in the Legislature to follow his lead and expand programs in ways that don’t necessarily commit the state to years of additional spending — ensuring what he called the budget’s “resiliency” to weather future fiscal storms. Perhaps the governor’s largest setback was his effort to impose a new tax on water users for clean water supplies in disadvantaged communities, replaced in the final budget with a plan that relies on funds earmarked for climate change programs.
    Key to those talks was an effort to address the state’s housing and homelessness challenges. Newsom, along with Senate President Pro Tem Toni Atkins (D-San Diego) and Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Lakewood), agreed to divvy up $650 million among major cities, counties and regional homelessness prevention agencies, with cities taking the largest share of $275 million. The deal also prioritizes giving state housing funds to cities and counties to make it easier for developers to build. And in the most extreme cases, it would add financial penalties for local governments that violate state laws requiring them to plan for growth.
    The new budget sets aside $103.4 billion for education from kindergarten through 12th grade. Schools across California have been clawing their way back from cutbacks made during the last recession, and the fiscal plan pays off $687 million in unsettled education debts, some dating back a decade.

    Lawmakers also agreed to an important structural change sparked by those cuts: The state will no longer be able to retroactively lower the mandatory level of education spending — a level set by formulas enshrined by voters in the California Constitution in 1988. In previous years, state budget writers would use such a change to trigger future school spending requirements. Education groups, long angered by the practice, convinced lawmakers to end it.

    The budget provides $300 million to expand full-day kindergarten classes across California. And the state will set aside $377 million in a new cash reserve fund, money that can be used when revenues come up short of what’s already been promised to schools.
    Beginning Jan. 1, Californians will be required to have at least “minimal essential coverage” for healthcare needs or face a cash penalty — a state version of the individual mandate that was abandoned by federal lawmakers. The fines will be based on a person’s income but will range from $695 to $3,252 a year. State officials expect enough people will pay the fine to bring in $317 million in the coming year.

    That money, plus additional state tax dollars, will be used to offer new insurance subsidies for middle-class Californians to purchase coverage through the Covered California exchange. Based on federal guidelines, subsidies will be available starting in January to individuals earning up to almost $75,000 a year and families of four earning as much as $154,500. The subsidies to purchase health insurance will be highest for those who earn the least, with the lowest earners eligible for enough financial assistance to pay their entire monthly premiums.
    California is poised to spend some $36 billion in the new fiscal year on Medi-Cal, the government-funded healthcare system available to those who can’t afford to pay for coverage. The federal government will kick in $64 billion more; estimates show that almost 1 in 3 Californians are eligible for Medi-Cal services.

    The budget includes money to restore — at least for the next two years — a variety of services that were deemed nonessential during the recession: optical services, podiatry, help for incontinence issues, audiology and speech therapy. Those services will be available starting Jan. 1.

    Medi-Cal eligibility is also being extended to adults in the U.S. illegally through the age of 25.
    Newsom and lawmakers agreed to use a portion of the state’s large tax windfall to pay down a portion of the long-term cost of pension and retirement promises made to public employees.

    In all, about $9 billion in payments — on top of those already required by law — will be made into the California Public Employees’ Retirement System and the California State Teachers’ Retirement System. Almost half of that amount will be money owed by schools and community colleges on pension costs, with the expectation that help from the state will free up local education dollars for classroom needs or to pay teachers. The remaining amount lawmakers hope, will amount to a prepayment of the state’s future pension obligations.

    Sacbee: https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article231999587.html
    More than 900,000 Californians who buy their own health insurance will be eligible for new help paying their insurance premiums. It’s an effort to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, the federal law also known as Obamacare.

    The subsidies will cap premiums to a percentage of income on a sliding scale for people between 200 and 600 percent of the federal poverty level.

    At one end of that scale, an individual making $24,280 will see their premiums capped at about 6 percent of income, according to Health Access, a group that advocated for the subsidies. On the other end, people earning $72,840 would see their premiums capped at 18 percent.

    To pay for those subsidies, the state will fine people who don’t buy insurance through a policy known as the individual mandate, which was first implemented as part of the Affordable Care Act.
    The budget eliminates sales taxes on diapers and feminine hygiene products for two years.

    That marks a victory for female lawmakers who had tried for years to end the taxes, which they say unfairly penalize women and young families. They had advocated for the ban to extend beyond two years, but were ultimately unable to persuade the governor.
    Newsom also signed a budget trailer bill that will charge fees of up to 80 cents per month per phone line to upgrade the state’s 911 system.
    Under the agreement, $275 million will go to big cities including Sacramento that have more than 300,000 people. Counties will get $175 million and regional agencies called continuums of care will receive $190 million.

    Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg had been pushing for the $275 million for cities, which Newsom had called for in May. He said Sacramento will use its share of the money to build more shelters to get people off the streets.

    The bill to allocate the homeless aid funding wasn’t finalized in time for Newsom to sign it Thursday, but he and legislative leaders announced it as part of the final budget deal.
    The budget includes funding to increase the state’s paid family leave plan from six to eight weeks.

    It’s intended to help new parents spend more time with their babies, and will also help families who are taking care of relatives.

    The budget also increases funding for childcare and allocates $125 million for new preschool slots.

    The budget also makes about 3 million California families eligible for the state’s earned income tax credit, which can give households up to $2,559 per year. It raises the income level to qualify for the credit to $30,000 and also creates an additional $1,000 credit for low-income families with children under 6.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    The LA Times is calling for Hunter's resignation. The opening line is a thing of beauty:
    Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Alpine) should resign from Congress so he can spend more time with his lawyers. He’s really going to need it.

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    I still don't get why California, a state with some of the biggest and most expensive hydroengineering, still refuses to meter and charge for usage of water.
    I live in NH now and every municipality does it, despite our water tables being overflowing in some spots (seriously, I can't build a leach field that's not a mound as it's so high)

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    schuss wrote: »
    I still don't get why California, a state with some of the biggest and most expensive hydroengineering, still refuses to meter and charge for usage of water.
    I live in NH now and every municipality does it, despite our water tables being overflowing in some spots (seriously, I can't build a leach field that's not a mound as it's so high)

    Because the locations that use the water are more politically powerful than the places where it's sourced from.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    Wait what?

    Water isn’t billed by usage?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    Wait what?

    Water isn’t billed by usage?

    Some places are. Others are not.

    I locally have a large up-front water/sewer/etc, and then the actual "cost per use" is relatively low, even at the highest tier. A lot of municipalities started doing so during the drought.

    The root of the issue is that the state Constitution guarantees rights to water for everyone, delivered effectively at cost - no profiteering. This has, of course, attracted industry to sell bottled water from here, and encouraged farmers to not be efficient with their water usage, because there's not the scaling costs.

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  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    During the end of the last drought the state started dropping some heavy handed restrictions, requiring local agencies to cut water use back by like 30% from the previous year. Also all houses are supposed to be metered by I think 2025.

    Course there are a whole host of exceptions and technicalities because historical water rights in California are a big ol mess, but they did finally say hey we don't care how much water your area has, slap a meter on your residences.

    They were also looking at regulating groundwater somehow, which has never been done, but I left before they got into that and I don't know how much momentum that maintained after the drought was "over."

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Judge treats straw grasping with appropriate respect:
    A federal judge on Monday refused to dismiss the campaign finance violation case against California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter.
    In San Diego federal court, US District Judge Thomas J. Whelan rejected arguments from Hunter's attorneys that the case was politically motivated because two assistant US attorneys attended a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton and later brought the case against Hunter, who was one of the first congressmen to endorse then-candidate Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign.
    The judge also tentatively denied a motion to move his September trial to a different venue, despite their arguments that the jury pool in San Diego would be tainted by the ample press coverage of Hunter's alleged misuse of more than $200,000 in campaign funds. The issue will be revisited during jury selection.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    In "wait, we didn't already have this?" news:

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-smog-check-for-trucks-20190709-story.html
    The routine smog check is one of the basic requirements of owning a car in California. Older cars have to be taken to the shop every other year to ensure that they have been properly maintained and don’t spew excessive emissions from their tailpipes.

    But even though heavy-duty diesel trucks are among the biggest polluters in the state, truck owners don’t have the same responsibility. That would change under a bill by state Sen. Connie Leyva (D-Chino). Leyva’s proposal would direct the state to create a smog check program that diesel-powered big rigs would have to comply with in order to drive on California roads.

    Requiring a smog check for trucks is long overdue. Currently, with the number of unhealthy smog days in Southern California on the rise after years of improvement, it’s especially important to finally crack down on truck pollution.

    Smoggy, unhealthy air is particularly bad in inland communities in Southern California and the San Joaquin Valley, where trucks play a crucial role in the agriculture and goods-movement industries. About a million heavy-duty diesel trucks operate in California each year, which is a small fraction of the total number of vehicles on the road. Yet diesel trucks account for nearly 60% of the smog-forming nitrogen oxides and 80% of the soot from motor vehicles.

    ...



    Under the bill, truck owners would be required to pass the smog test to operate in California. There would be a smog-check fee to cover the cost of the program. Regulators would have to develop a system for out-of-state trucks to prove compliance or get tested upon driving into the state, ensuring that they follow the same rules as California-based trucking companies.

    The bill would also require the Department of Motor Vehicles to track and confirm that a truck’s pollution control system is working before its registration is renewed or the ownership is transferred — just as the agency does now as part of the smog check program for cars.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Oh finally. Can't tell you how many trucks I've seen just belching black clouds at random

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    And now for something completely different.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article232473962.html
    California is updating its legal definition of beer to include varieties fermented with fruit, honey, spices or other foods under a bill Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Tuesday.

    Tom McCormick, executive director of the California Craft Brewers Association, said the new law won’t change what the average consumer thinks of as beer, which is made from malted grain or a malt substitute. California brewers have already been brewing beers using fruit for flavoring, he said.

    Under prior California law, using fruit in the fermentation process required a wine license, but the new law clarifies that beer brewers can use fruit and other ingredients to supplement their products, McCormick said.

    The change puts California law in line with federal law, which already allows for fruit and other ingredients to be used during beer fermentation. The new law, AB205 by Assemblyman Tom Daly, will take effect next year.

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  • PhotosaurusPhotosaurus Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    And now for something completely different.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article232473962.html
    Under prior California law, using fruit in the fermentation process required a wine license, but the new law clarifies that beer brewers can use fruit and other ingredients to supplement their products, McCormick said.

    Given how many local breweries I know of in the Bay area with fruit-flavored sours and IPAs, I wonder how many have unknowingly been in violation of this law? I can just imagine some brewers' association lawyer finding this on the books and having a serious "oh shit" moment.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    And now for something completely different.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article232473962.html
    Under prior California law, using fruit in the fermentation process required a wine license, but the new law clarifies that beer brewers can use fruit and other ingredients to supplement their products, McCormick said.

    Given how many local breweries I know of in the Bay area with fruit-flavored sours and IPAs, I wonder how many have unknowingly been in violation of this law? I can just imagine some brewers' association lawyer finding this on the books and having a serious "oh shit" moment.

    Alternatively, they used the fruit to flavor it post-fermentation. I know a number of places that did that.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And the hits keep on coming for Duncan Hunter, as the Marine Corps tells him to remove the EGA from his mailers:
    The Marine Corps has issued a cease-and-desist letter to Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., for using the official Corps emblem and phrase on campaign mailers that link his likely 2020 opponent and two Democratic congresswomen to terror.

    In a letter to Hunter obtained by NBC News, the Marine Corps Trademark Licensing Office tells the congressman, "It has come to our attention that your campaign is using the official USMC Eagle, Globe and Anchor (Emblem) and the phrase 'No Better Friend, NO Worse Enemy' (Phrase) as an integral part of your political campaign, namely, on at least one fundraising mailer to your constituents."

    The letter, dated Tuesday, demands that Hunter's campaign "immediately remove the Emblem and the Phrase from its mailers, and, without limitation, from all other campaign materials including websites and other instances where the Emblem or the Phrase are being used. We also request that you provide us with a timetable as to your compliance with our requests."

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    In what is sure to not get ANYONE riled up, San Francisco has labelled the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11771855/san-francisco-officials-designate-nra-a-domestic-terrorist-organization
    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities, states and the federal government to do the same.

    The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA. It stops short, though, of putting in place any enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

    "The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure.

    A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

    "When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

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  • Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Oh finally. Can't tell you how many trucks I've seen just belching black clouds at random

    I wonder if this would impact the coal rollers or black smoke mafia idiots I see around

    please please please let it be so

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  • SaarSaar Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    In what is sure to not get ANYONE riled up, San Francisco has labelled the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11771855/san-francisco-officials-designate-nra-a-domestic-terrorist-organization
    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities, states and the federal government to do the same.

    The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA. It stops short, though, of putting in place any enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

    "The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure.

    A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

    "When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

    As a gun owner and Californian, I approve this message.

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
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    Saar wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    In what is sure to not get ANYONE riled up, San Francisco has labelled the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11771855/san-francisco-officials-designate-nra-a-domestic-terrorist-organization
    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities, states and the federal government to do the same.

    The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA. It stops short, though, of putting in place any enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

    "The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure.

    A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

    "When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

    As a gun owner and Californian, I approve this message.

    The NRA sucks but come on... I feel like you've gotta have someone in your organization kill some people in the name of the organization to be a terrorist org.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Stochastic terrorism is still terrorism.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Haha, holy shit.

    I mean, they're not entirely wrong, but I don't see this having any positive effect.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Hey, remember when they helped the Russians fuck over our elections?

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    NotYou wrote: »
    Saar wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    In what is sure to not get ANYONE riled up, San Francisco has labelled the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11771855/san-francisco-officials-designate-nra-a-domestic-terrorist-organization
    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities, states and the federal government to do the same.

    The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA. It stops short, though, of putting in place any enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

    "The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure.

    A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

    "When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

    As a gun owner and Californian, I approve this message.

    The NRA sucks but come on... I feel like you've gotta have someone in your organization kill some people in the name of the organization to be a terrorist org.

    At the risk of getting hyperbolic, how many people do you think are dead because of legislation that the NRA has campaigned or lobbied against? I promise you it's more than zero.

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    heres how i see it being a total win situation for you
    1. stay with your wife while she dog sits. this wins husband points since she knows its out of your comfort zone
    2. have sex all over her friends house so that the next time you see her friend look at you condescendingly, you can wink back knowing you did the freaky deaky where she eats her cheerios.
  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Skeith wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    Saar wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    In what is sure to not get ANYONE riled up, San Francisco has labelled the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11771855/san-francisco-officials-designate-nra-a-domestic-terrorist-organization
    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities, states and the federal government to do the same.

    The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA. It stops short, though, of putting in place any enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

    "The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure.

    A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

    "When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

    As a gun owner and Californian, I approve this message.

    The NRA sucks but come on... I feel like you've gotta have someone in your organization kill some people in the name of the organization to be a terrorist org.

    At the risk of getting hyperbolic, how many people do you think are dead because of legislation that the NRA has campaigned or lobbied against? I promise you it's more than zero.

    The same can be asked of any industry lobbying group. There's no enforcement mechanisms put in place by this, so it's just preaching to the choir. I'm sure this will make for a fun gotcha question at the next Democratic debate.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    Skeith wrote: »
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    In what is sure to not get ANYONE riled up, San Francisco has labelled the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11771855/san-francisco-officials-designate-nra-a-domestic-terrorist-organization
    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday declaring the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization and urging other municipalities, states and the federal government to do the same.

    The resolution calls out the NRA for inciting acts of violence and spreading "misinformation and propaganda" and encourages the city to assess and limit contracts with vendors affiliated with the NRA. It stops short, though, of putting in place any enforcement mechanisms or new regulations.

    "The NRA conspires to limit gun violence research, restrict gun violence data sharing and most importantly aggressively tries to block every piece of sensible gun violence prevention legislation proposed on any level, local state or federal," said Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who sponsored the measure.

    A longtime advocate for gun safety, Stefani also introduced a resolution earlier this year that authorized the San Francisco Police Department to use funds from the U.S. Department of Justice to help improve the collection, management and analysis of gun-crime evidence.

    "When they use phrases like, 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands' on bumper stickers, they are saying reasoned debate about public safety should be met with violence," she said.

    As a gun owner and Californian, I approve this message.

    The NRA sucks but come on... I feel like you've gotta have someone in your organization kill some people in the name of the organization to be a terrorist org.

    At the risk of getting hyperbolic, how many people do you think are dead because of legislation that the NRA has campaigned or lobbied against? I promise you it's more than zero.

    How many are dead because of privatized health care rather than universal? I'm not gonna call people lobbying for keeping private health care terrorists...

  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited September 5
    When you start talking about cold dead hands and a loyalty to an ethos built on violence and political hostage taking its crossing the line. Maybe the city could have made a stronger argument, but they're not really wrong.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited September 6
    They really aren't wrong. I think the entirety of the NRA administration is not only complicit in the rise of mass shootings but also shares in responsibility for all of them. If they were to be tried for that, with capital punishment on the table? I would consider it justice.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    I don't live in California but I started seeing a bunch of articles about the homeless situation there. Like how Los Angeles is on track to see a thousand deaths of the homeless because literally three a day are being found dead on the streets. Are they just dying on the streets, or is there foul play involved that no one is acknowledging?

    I wonder because I read about this brush fire that was set in an attempt to mass murder an encampment of homeless people. One of the suspects is the 25 year old son of the local Chamber of Commerce president.

    It sounds like a crisis is building, and a good part of that crisis is growing violence against the underclass.

  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    I don't live in California but I started seeing a bunch of articles about the homeless situation there. Like how Los Angeles is on track to see a thousand deaths of the homeless because literally three a day are being found dead on the streets. Are they just dying on the streets, or is there foul play involved that no one is acknowledging?

    I wonder because I read about this brush fire that was set in an attempt to mass murder an encampment of homeless people. One of the suspects is the 25 year old son of the local Chamber of Commerce president.

    It sounds like a crisis is building, and a good part of that crisis is growing violence against the underclass.

    Unfortunately homelessness is usually a symptom of other issues that put someone at risk. Substance abuse, mental illness, criminal record (whether earned or not, being homeless gets you harassed/cited/jailed)

    The number of homeless in big cities is kind of staggering and I'm not sure that's a California specific problem. If anything homeless people move towards milder weather cities to avoid freezing to death in the winter.

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    I hate that "stochastic terrorism" is what we're calling "incitement"

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    I was legit hoping that Shorty was somehow mistaken and the world wasn't that fucked
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    I hate that "stochastic terrorism" is what we're calling "incitement"

    Stochastic terrorism is not incitement, though - it goes beyond to talking about how radicalization occurs via exposure and normalization. You can have stochastic terror happen without incitement, as people are radicalized to the point of action.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And the NRA responds by...suing San Francisco:
    The NRA’s suit says San Francisco’s terrorist designation violates the group’s First Amendment right to free speech. The court filing called the label a “frivolous insult,” but that “San Francisco’s actions pose a nonfrivolous constitutional threat.” “[M]embers and supporters will suffer irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm if the members and supporters are unable to obtain government contracts because of their constitutionally-protected rights, or if the NRA is deprived of vendor, contractor, member or donor relationships when persons intimidated by the Resolution sever their NRA ties,” the suit said. A lawyer for the group said the designation was “an assault on all advocacy organizations across the country.”

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited September 11
    So this thing won't actually make impacts for years, most likely, but a central valley winery seems to be trying to set up a "freedom of religion" challenge in California.

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    Note how mealy-mouthed it is of "oh, we wouldn't discriminate, we just won't have the ceremony."

    Sexual orientation is, I think, a protected class in the CA Constitution, so I see this failing on that basis, but this bullshit is here, too.

    e: http://vinesmart.com/wine/Real_Estate/Wineries_For_Sale/2589_Viaggio_Estate_and_Winery Also, it's for sale.

    Expect some news articles about how they were forced to close down thanks to the libs.

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    So it looks like California's new AB5 (contractors being designated full time employees and getting vacation days and healthcare) is gonna become law. Good for uber drivers. Bad for uber. Possibly bad for other industries?

    I work as a contractor. I bounce around between 4 or 5 different companies, work for a month, then move on to the next project. I'm paid well enough to cover my own health insurance and take vacations. It's really hard to know how this is gonna affect me. Apparently the onus is on the employer to prove these 3 things for me to remain a contractor -

    1. That the worker is free from the control and direction of the hiring entity in connection with the performance of the work, both under the contract for the performance of the work and in fact;
    2. That the worker performs work that is outside the usual course of the hiring entity's business; and
    3. That the worker is customarily engaged in an independently established trade, occupation or business of the same nature as the work performed.

    It seems like they won't be able to prove 1 or 2 very easily.

    The whole law is strange to me. I'm not sure how these companies could provide my healthcare? Or do they only provide it for the 1 month of employment at a time?

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