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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Nitsua wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    FYI SatanIsMyMotor is on record saying they believe Dan is a pedophile and got the other thread locked, so it's probably best not to engage if you don't want this thread locked, too.

    I um, never called Dan a pedophile? In fact I said the opposite? The thread is still there.

    edit: Also that thread got locked for people playing the "what is pedophilia" debate after a mod told them to stop. I've been clear in all of my posts that I think Dan is a creep but not a pedophile.

    I was about to say this myself. I looked over the thread and it wasn’t you at all calling him such, in fact you straight out said he wasn’t one. It was someone directly talking with you that called Dan a pedophile. But just like that other thread, it’s probably best we don’t go deep into semantics so this thread doesn’t get locked too. I just don’t like seeing others having words put into their mouths or being blamed for things they didn’t do.

    Thanks. I genuinely appreciate that.

  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Next SMM2 episode is out, and Arin actually is making impressive progress. Looking back on the other worlds he has REALLY picked up steam considering the difficulty spike. He was barely phased by the lack of checkpoint in Companion Spring. He very well may finish this.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    Did the Grumps or anyone else give a response to this whole mess? I put the whole Grump group on "time out" for the last week or so, but since only right-wing groups seem to be pushing this, I guess I'm not surprised if they didn't make an official response, and both their videos and Ross' reactions seem to be pretty steady.

    You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
  • McMoogleMcMoogle Registered User regular
    edited March 27
    The grumps, or arin at least, put up a video the day after or so.

    Edit: my mistake I think I was looking at the wrong thing.

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited March 27
    no, i kinda doubted they would because like it or not, what people were asking from Dan even in the wake of the worst of the story being ginned up, was to justify and apologize for his sex life which from his perspective is gotta feel like a violation of his privacy. If he didn't do anything he viewed as wrong, that's a hard ask. this is not an endorsement of that alleged behavior, and i only use the word alleged because i am not a person involved in any way so i don't know what happened. and thinking about it, if he does not feel like he has something to atone for, putting out any kind of message in absence of anything that is legally actionable would only be damaging because;

    a. legitimizes the narrative of the online harassment.

    b. again puts his sex life out to be scrutinized, which putting yourself in his shoes you can admit is at the very least humiliating and something to be adverse of.

    c. a denial will often support the presumption of guilt.

    i want to be clear that this is not me "caping" for him, or even saying that his behavior as the women alleging against him describe it is acceptable or that groupie culture is not a toxic and at best murky ground as far as consent. this is just my read on how they probably were going to handle it, considering that the propagators of the accusations have been harrying them with hate of all kinds for nigh on a decade and not dignifying it with official statements has seemed to be the policy. if whatever came out has colored your own perception to beyond a moral boundary that's perfectly reasonable, that's your choice and i am not going to try to convince anyone otherwise, that's your choice and your morals. even if anyone's perception of him is now, a bad person, he is a person nonetheless so how he reacts has to be put into that context.

    i don't have an answer if it is right or wrong. i don't know enough about the whole issue other than the bullet points, meaning i didn't go look at primary sources for any of the stories of bad interactions, just that there were a number of them. i don't have it in me to trudge through the sleuthing that out, i don't want to have to spend more of my time in a place like r/rantgrumps, i don't have the constitution to spend my time in spaces built on granular hate, but if someone in an actual journalistic outfit does i will certainly read up.

    the shapers of the narrative matter though and yeah this well has been thoroughly poisoned by bad actors, so it may not be a situation that gets anymore clear for everyone on the outside of it.

    edit for real: didn't know Arin had said anything before i responded.

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited March 27
    hit quote not edit

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    McMoogle wrote: »
    The grumps, or arin at least, put up a video the day after or so.

    Do you happen to have a link? I'm not seeing anything on Game Grumps except the usual Mario Maker 2 videos and a "Best of" complication. Is it at the front of one of the videos?

    You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Did the Grumps or anyone else give a response to this whole mess? I put the whole Grump group on "time out" for the last week or so, but since only right-wing groups seem to be pushing this, I guess I'm not surprised if they didn't make an official response, and both their videos and Ross' reactions seem to be pretty steady.
    Avidan has provided a comment to Newsweek about the claims.

    "I stand by the fact that any interactions that took place of a sexual nature with the person in question were done so when she was 22 years old and we were both consenting adults," Avidan stated. "To claim I engaged in any predatory behavior is simply untrue. I have made mistakes in the past, and I apologize if my actions or words ever made anyone upset, but those mistakes were never ill-intentioned, exploitative or illegal in any capacity."

    https://www.newsweek.com/dan-avidan-grooming-allegations-explained-game-grumps-reddit-post-1577721

  • McMoogleMcMoogle Registered User regular
    McMoogle wrote: »
    The grumps, or arin at least, put up a video the day after or so.

    Do you happen to have a link? I'm not seeing anything on Game Grumps except the usual Mario Maker 2 videos and a "Best of" complication. Is it at the front of one of the videos?

    Sorry I was mistaken, not sure what I saw but it wasn't an official response or anything.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    McMoogle wrote: »
    McMoogle wrote: »
    The grumps, or arin at least, put up a video the day after or so.

    Do you happen to have a link? I'm not seeing anything on Game Grumps except the usual Mario Maker 2 videos and a "Best of" complication. Is it at the front of one of the videos?

    Sorry I was mistaken, not sure what I saw but it wasn't an official response or anything.

    Oh. Well, that's genuinely disappointing, but I suppose not surprising. The story didn't really spread beyond right-wing media, so with the original claim largely retracted, they might have decided it would be better to ignore it.

    I understand if people want to either write off Grumps or return to them at this point. I'm still undecided. Probably when I can think of a Grumps bit and not go "Awww" to myself.

    You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 28
    McMoogle wrote: »
    McMoogle wrote: »
    The grumps, or arin at least, put up a video the day after or so.

    Do you happen to have a link? I'm not seeing anything on Game Grumps except the usual Mario Maker 2 videos and a "Best of" complication. Is it at the front of one of the videos?

    Sorry I was mistaken, not sure what I saw but it wasn't an official response or anything.

    Oh. Well, that's genuinely disappointing, but I suppose not surprising. The story didn't really spread beyond right-wing media, so with the original claim largely retracted, they might have decided it would be better to ignore it.

    I understand if people want to either write off Grumps or return to them at this point. I'm still undecided. Probably when I can think of a Grumps bit and not go "Awww" to myself.

    Actually, Dan did respond to the allegations; it's just that hardly anyone reported his response, and none of the other developments that happened following the initial accusations on r/RantGrumps were remarked upon by any source.
    “I stand by the fact that any interactions that took place of a sexual nature with the person in question were done so when she was 22 years old and we were both consenting adults,” Dan said. “To claim I engaged in any predatory behavior is simply untrue. I have made mistakes in the past, and I apologize if my actions or words ever made anyone upset, but those mistakes were never ill-intentioned, exploitative or illegal in any capacity.”

    Source

    One site, Republic World, instead posted a series of articles such as "Why Did Jon Leave Game Grumps?", "Why Did Barry Leave Game Grumps?", and "Who Is Dan Avidan's Girlfriend?"

    EDIT: I'm curious who all they sent this response to. I also can't help but wonder what was going on behind the scenes at Kotaku, who had covered the ProJared situation in 2019 but hasn't touched on this at all. Surely there was discussion over there considering whether to comment on it.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    So back to SMM2,

    Arin is actually starting to lose it. Figured that would happen around here. The second level was getting to him but Monster Cage is just breaking him down. And the level after it is so much harder. Memorization will get through the cage, but nothing short of pure torture exists in the next one.

    Also while it might be some time before he gets there now, I can't wait to see his reaction to the special message halfway through the next level.

  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Oh my god this Monster Cage level looks like the opposite of fun.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Well you are a monster and the yoshis are punishing you.

    Ross was actually going for an undertale survive the box type thing with that.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Oh yeah it's clever! I love the idea of payback.

    But man I can't even watch him play this lol.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Holy shit the switch turned itself off because it was overheating?

  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    I have never had that happen. Their Switch must be melting from overuse or something haha.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    I have never had that happen. Their Switch must be melting from overuse or something haha.

    Yeah their room is probably really warm with all the recording equipment. And the Switch is probably in an entertainment center.

  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Arin was getting really heated when playing Mario Maker, so it makes complete sense.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Oh I completely forgot they were playing Mario Maker 2 prior to that.

  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Monster Cage is one of the most brutal levels I have ever seen

  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    And it gets worse!

  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Arin did it. The Monster cage is over.

    Now it gets real.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 1
    Weird/unfortunate coincidence that they're talking about Twitter on today's Mario Maker episode.

    More importantly, neither Arin nor Dan have seen Space Jam.

    Arin: "They apparently made Lola Bunny less sexy in the new one."
    Dan: "Okay."
    Arin: "And people are mad on the Internet because of it."
    Dan: "Why would an attractive rabbit woman do anything for me, Arin? What are you saying?"

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Here it is.

    Here is the real rage.

    This is the level that just says "fuck you". Monster cage was a preview.

    And the final level is even harder, though at least not as long.

    (oh yeah sorry if that is a spoiler, there is a castle in the lava. But it is 40 levels so if you are keeping count it wouldn't be a surprise)

  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    I love all the RedLetterMedia shout outs they've been doing. Grumps and RLM are the only channels I watch consistently on Youtube.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Arin keeps dying to the easy shit on this level.

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  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    So...Arin being Arin

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    He's finally discovering the uses of the spin jump.

    But he hasn't figured out to ride the lightning on Roy.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Oh my god finally

    This is the genuine rage. This is what we came here for. Arin is REALLY feeling it and the entertainment is real.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Oh hey he FINALLY figured out he needed to ride the lightning on Roy

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  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    After watching this bullshit boss rush stage I still don't know what you mean by ride the lightning with Roy or how it's supposed to be obvious.

    I just see shit designed to make people frustrated and why I don't play these kinds of MM levels.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Mulletude wrote: »
    After watching this bullshit boss rush stage I still don't know what you mean by ride the lightning with Roy or how it's supposed to be obvious.

    I just see shit designed to make people frustrated and why I don't play these kinds of MM levels.

    'Ride the lightning' is my gibberish for doing the spin jump on Roy's shell and to just ride it for the duration instead of trying to dodge it repeatedly.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    If he could get the first dude trapped below every time it'd make his life a lot easier.

  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Mulletude wrote: »
    After watching this bullshit boss rush stage I still don't know what you mean by ride the lightning with Roy or how it's supposed to be obvious.

    I just see shit designed to make people frustrated and why I don't play these kinds of MM levels.

    It isn't designed to make people frustrated. It is just very difficult. A lot of the boss fights are well thought out (minus Roy, the plants thing is a cool idea but the room just becomes a randomized mess). They just involve a lot of tight responses and quick reactions.

    As ura said, the trick for Roy is to get him in the little pit (not intentional but Ross found it out while uploading). You immediately leap on him when entering the room, then during the time you can't be hurt by Roy as he goes into his shell, you scoot across the ice and he falls in. Then you spin jump on him as he is in there and will immediately hit him again as he comes out and you repeat. Its not SUPER easy, but it is consistent.

    The thing Arin ran into and seems to have figured out near the end there, is that the Koopalings are programmed to try and run away before popping out to avoid instagibs. So when Roy stops bouncing on the side, it is for him to get space to come out. That is why the one time he kept going when Arin was too fast to chase. But chasing just right it is an easy hit. He just keeps randomly holding jump and bouncing off him too hard for some reason.

    The first one is random as hell, but all you really need to do is stay on the top platform and hop over the blaster as needed. Still one of the more unpredictable fights.

    Beyond Morton there is a completely cheesable and still not that hard regardless fight based on the Updog boss, then a checkpoint. Then it is Ludwig which is mostly the same and difficult, but fairly predictable, followed by Wendy which is hard but can actually be one shot cheesed, and Lemmy which is a big bounce room which really only usually gets you once. The final room is sort of hard and there is no third check point, but those 3 koopalings before it can be easily consistently beaten.

    Ross purposely shot the difficulty up to go out with a bang. And honestly, Arin made it through world 6 and 7 WAY faster than I expected. Even the first 3 levels of World 8 it didn't take him long. Those last few worlds could easily have been like 10 hours on their own.

    There are levels out there with just more enemies than you can react to that are hard, and there is levels with those insanely tight tricks repeated endlessly that are hard, but the Ross stuff here is just straightforward reaction time difficulty.

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    You don’t want to upset pineapples. Because they are prickly, you see.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Ah shit another visual novel game where Arin uses his annoying protag voice. Hopefully it's a short series.

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  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    These are the type of series I feel safe skipping altogether

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Episode 2 was the finale. Just a fun little break from other horrors, I suppose.
    I mean, maybe they could scrape together another video of it if they wanted, but it didn't sound like they were going to.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Thank you for your service @AshtonDragon

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