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Mass Migration in the Americas: 1200 Central Americans on the march
LoisLane
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Buzzfeed is reporting a 1200 strong caravan is on the march through Mexico to the US. No one is stopping them. How will the Trump government react if they reach their destination? Has this happened before in the Americas? Do you think these mass migrations will grow ever more common as climate change worsens?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/a-huge-caravan-of-central-americans-is-headed-for-the-us?utm_term=.ei1XKzZVM#.linYAmpk1
Further reporting:
WAPO:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/01/why-a-u-s-bound-caravan-of-central-american-migrants-is-getting-trumps-attention/?utm_term=.caf327a6aa21
Mother Jones: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/04/trump-and-trolls-target-caravan-of-migrant-families/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/a-huge-caravan-of-central-americans-is-headed-for-the-us?utm_term=.ei1XKzZVM#.linYAmpk1
Further reporting:
WAPO:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/01/why-a-u-s-bound-caravan-of-central-american-migrants-is-getting-trumps-attention/?utm_term=.caf327a6aa21
Mother Jones: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/04/trump-and-trolls-target-caravan-of-migrant-families/
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I think the best we can hope for is that he doesn't order ICE to literally open fire on these people.
Open fire?
I'm not even joking. This is a thing I can see him doing and legions of idiots cheering for installing subterranean munitions that will be causing problems for decades to come.
Once they're in custody, we can figure out what to do with them. We can't just let them in, obviously. But we absolutely have to be humane and peaceful about this.
But that ain't happening. If they hit the border and try to come in, people will die. I do not trust Trump, ICE, or anyone else associated with this administration to not let people die.
Yeah, it's like with the refugee situation in Europe, no one has actually offered any real solutions, it just seems to go back to conservatives and liberals yelling at eachother. Lets say you somehow manage to seal up the border, there's still a ton of refugees on the other side with nowhere to go. Just because they ignore the problem doesnt mean it goes away.
I'm seeing like no google hits for this thing that I'm not deeply suspicious of.
There's like one piece from buzzfeed and one from motherjones I really had to dig for and other then that it seems no major news agency is really looking into this thing.
I feel like it's just gonna explode onto the US news scene at the very last second when the shit has already gone down.
http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/viacrucis.html
Here's the website of an organization that appears to be organizing the caravan? Or at least involved with it in some way.
Trump is going to want to turn this into a statement.
I've even seen it argued the refugee crisis in Europe has its roots in global climate change, with a drought in Syria being the initial impetus for the chain of events that led to the civil war there.
So as less and less land is arable, the people who live there will move to places that can support life, regardless of whether there's people already there.
I don't anticipate this going well.
Are they all going at once in a single massive push? This is like comparing a flash flood to the usual rise of a river during a rainstorm. New York transports millions through its subway system but I bet you if suddenly a 1200 people bum rushed one station they would have problems.
Edit:
WAPO now reporting on it:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/01/why-a-u-s-bound-caravan-of-central-american-migrants-is-getting-trumps-attention/?utm_term=.caf327a6aa21
Mother Jones too: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/04/trump-and-trolls-target-caravan-of-migrant-families/ What innuendo did I make?
Most reports I read have stated that the caravan is to get them safely across Southern Mexico and central america. Once they approach the border they plan to disperse and cross in small groups, which is perfectly normal behavior.
The only difference here is that the caravan is more organized for the crossing of central America step, to try and combat the drug dealers and kidnappers there.
There's no chance they just all march at the border together. That's an easy response for Trump. Just have 100 agents in place, warn them clearly not to enter and then arrest them all immediately.
Mostly it sounds like a predictable continuation of the ongoing humanitarian crisis that is causing people to flee Honduras. If the US were something better than it is, this might be an opportunity to offer refuge.
I thought we were freaking about both?
100 agents are supposed to arrest more than 1000 people how?
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1200 people crossing the border into the US is a rounding error. What it means for human migration is what people should be paying attention too, and stabilizing the regions they're fleeing from would be the smart solution, but you guys elected a cheeto for president.
Wasn't you, it was Smrtnik's 'this will end in tears'.
Presumably 'Sax was referencing the Trail of Tears.
From 2016 statistics, there are about 150,000 people permanently moving from Mexico to the US per year, though that includes both legal and illegal. 1200 is 0.8% of that yearly total or about 3 days worth of immigration from there.
That doesn't answer the question though and the US already has issues with what to do with all the people DHS detains for immigration violations.
If they actually all just decided to cross the border at once that would be a huge clusterfuck since you would need to arrest them all at the same time.
Thank you for explaining.
I haven’t seen coverage indicating this is normal. Everything I’ve read so far is that migrants travel in small groups but not in such a large organized fashion with an established hierarchy.
Most of these refugees have been voluntarily surrendering at the border.
Eh, I'd say the correct response would be to offer massive humanitarian aid, investment in schooling, a complete end to the drug war, and a huge commitment to combating climate change. "Just let em come in" is a stopgap solution which doesn't go far enough (as we see from the issues in Europe). The people coming in are for the most part overwhelmingly grateful, and contribute to their new communities, but they understandably tell people back home to come, and the people back home tell them how even more awful things are now. This just makes the crisis worse, as the refugees become the most capable and qualified from the home nation leaving it less and less capable of rebuilding.
America can tolerate a huge number of new residents, we have a lot of space. But we need to actually work to help people not need to come here. And step one of that is removing drugs from the equation and removing the power from the drug cartels.
Easily? They do all the time in ratios like that. The people will be hungry and thirsty when they reach the border, and know that the US government isn't going to just torture them to death.
There are a lot of correct responses. I do not expect any of them from the US. Particularly not from the current government.
I expect that part of the reason trump has seized on this particular group of refugees is that people can be convinced that their arriving in a relatively larger number at the same time makes them dangerous and therefore acceptable to abuse.
eh...
Well, probably, at least.
Maybe, for ~half an hour or so. Don't really want to track down MTA stats, but for he CTA red line subway, State/Lake: December 2014, Lake had an average of 20,482 weekday passenger entries. So a ~6% increase over a typical Tuesday. It is also directly under the Chicago Theater and so gets habitual crushes of people when concerts get out. A standard empty 5000 series 8 car train holds roughly 1k people when uncomfortably full, so it usually just takes a handful of regular ones to clear it. (Which is why I board at Monroe)
I guess I just really don't see 1,200 people as some impossible eye popping number and do not understanding why other people are acting as though it is.
I don't think anyone in either party or on either side of the border is actually talking about us stabilizing the regions they're fleeing from. They don't want US involvement. The people here don't want to get involved. So, here we are....
Hell, the word desertification has been used in this thread more times than the word cartel. We are not a serious people.