Zilla36021st Century. |She/Her|Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered Userregular
My pre-order finished downloading. Bring it on. Let's see what happens when David Cage tries to do 'Westworld', except with far less killing and nuance.
Played the demo. I hope that saving that fish (and seemingly small choices like that) actually leads to something interesting in the full game.
Let me know if the demo save does anything - I deleted the demo to make space but i could always re-install it and play through again if it actually pops up as relevant.
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I think that Quick Look actually kind of sold me 100% on this. I’m in.
It helps that I’m genuinely curious to see a futuristic vidya game depiction of the city I’ve lived around my entire life. So far it looks like they may have...nailed it?
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I watched the quick look long enough to hear and see Clancy Brown as Lt. Anderson and thats enough for me to at least give it a spin.
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Zilla36021st Century. |She/Her|Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered Userregular
Some of the magazines you pick up are fun to read.
Like an article about a Hyperloop route linking the East and West coasts and the socio-economic changes it brings.
Easy Allies did a pretty good review, (IMO) it's an extremely good-looking (with B-tier writing) game that could do with a bit less hitting you over the head with it's well-trodden theme, plot-wise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3r7ksMFUY
There's a fun quiz in the extras menu that (among other things) asks whether or not you believe in a god ('No' is currently the most popular world-wide answer).
Yup, David Cage game.
Let me know if the demo save does anything - I deleted the demo to make space but i could always re-install it and play through again if it actually pops up as relevant.
AFAIK it doesn't. The scene/section from the demo is the first thing you do anyhow.
So far from what I've understood after reading multiple reviews, it could quite possibly be the best game that Cage had made in his career; though there seems to be the same problem of cliched characters and plotholes. I think it'll be an enjoyable experience and the story will be good but it'll probably be unwise to expect from it something mindblowing.
Zilla36021st Century. |She/Her|Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered Userregular
Yeah, all the story beats are common things you could find (done better) elsewhere, shows like 'Humans', 'Almost Human', and HBO's 'Westworld'.
It's still an enjoyable 12-14 hours though.
The game has a really neat touch/easter egg if you leave it idling on the main menu.
The guide/narrator character will make a bunch of comments on various topics, none of which seem to be repeats so far.
They made a comment about the decoration of my house and I had to check that the PSVR camera was actually switched off.
I think I basically got the best possible ending for the path I chose. Carl alive and son reformed. Kara and Alice alive and in Canada. Connor and Hank alive and best buddies. All of Markus's crew alive.
From what I can see of locked chapters there's 3 super critical choices/failures that can really change the chapters.
Connor going deviant. Markus going peaceful or violent. Kara getting captured.
Also there's a super meta choice at the end of the game
Setting Chloe free and completely losing the menu dialogue forever
Zilla36021st Century. |She/Her|Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered Userregular
Anyone else think this is a pretty obvious Westworld reference?
And that:
Journal that Connor discovers is looks like it's just ROT13 encoded, or some similar substitution cipher. And yet he says it will "take weeks" to decipher.
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of that obviously 'Dante's Inferno' inspired scrapyard, I couldn't stop laughing at was supposed to be a creepy and emotional scene, because all I could think about was this. Fry is Connor, Bender is Markus, and Kara is Leela.
Just beat it. I enjoyed it for the most part but my opinion of it definitely deteriorated the further I went.
Markus' story particularly fell really flat for me. I played him as staunchly pacifist from beginning to end, and public opinion was supportive the whole time, and yet the army still commits genocide of the entire android race regardless. In the process completely crippling the US economy and military, just because they didn't want to pay the androids wages. That's an obvious outcome of an armed android revolution which is why I never went that route, but I got railroaded into the same story regardless, and it made all of humanity look like comic book villains. I didn't expect a fairy tale ending, but it still really breaks the story.
Just beat it. I enjoyed it for the most part but my opinion of it definitely deteriorated the further I went.
Markus' story particularly fell really flat for me. I played him as staunchly pacifist from beginning to end, and public opinion was supportive the whole time, and yet the army still commits genocide of the entire android race regardless. In the process completely crippling the US economy and military, just because they didn't want to pay the androids wages. That's an obvious outcome of an armed android revolution which is why I never went that route, but I got railroaded into the same story regardless, and it made all of humanity look like comic book villains. I didn't expect a fairy tale ending, but it still really breaks the story.
I think you might've gotten bad ended, not railroaded. I haven't been particularly thorough in spoiling myself on this, but I thought I'd heard that you could get a good ending for both methods.
Just beat it. I enjoyed it for the most part but my opinion of it definitely deteriorated the further I went.
Markus' story particularly fell really flat for me. I played him as staunchly pacifist from beginning to end, and public opinion was supportive the whole time, and yet the army still commits genocide of the entire android race regardless. In the process completely crippling the US economy and military, just because they didn't want to pay the androids wages. That's an obvious outcome of an armed android revolution which is why I never went that route, but I got railroaded into the same story regardless, and it made all of humanity look like comic book villains. I didn't expect a fairy tale ending, but it still really breaks the story.
I think you might've gotten bad ended, not railroaded. I haven't been particularly thorough in spoiling myself on this, but I thought I'd heard that you could get a good ending for both methods.
You can get a "good" ending, but it's just a vaguely hopeful ending in the aftermath of terrible war crimes being committed against all androids nationwide because of your peaceful protests, with almost all of the deviants supposedly being killed offscreen.
Just beat it. I enjoyed it for the most part but my opinion of it definitely deteriorated the further I went.
Markus' story particularly fell really flat for me. I played him as staunchly pacifist from beginning to end, and public opinion was supportive the whole time, and yet the army still commits genocide of the entire android race regardless. In the process completely crippling the US economy and military, just because they didn't want to pay the androids wages. That's an obvious outcome of an armed android revolution which is why I never went that route, but I got railroaded into the same story regardless, and it made all of humanity look like comic book villains. I didn't expect a fairy tale ending, but it still really breaks the story.
There is definitely at least one pacifist ending that doesn't end in genocide of all the androids.
Just beat it. I enjoyed it for the most part but my opinion of it definitely deteriorated the further I went.
Markus' story particularly fell really flat for me. I played him as staunchly pacifist from beginning to end, and public opinion was supportive the whole time, and yet the army still commits genocide of the entire android race regardless. In the process completely crippling the US economy and military, just because they didn't want to pay the androids wages. That's an obvious outcome of an armed android revolution which is why I never went that route, but I got railroaded into the same story regardless, and it made all of humanity look like comic book villains. I didn't expect a fairy tale ending, but it still really breaks the story.
There is definitely at least one pacifist ending that doesn't end in genocide of all the androids.
And I heard about a non-pacifist one where you successfully drive all the humans out of Detroit and force the government to make concessions.
Went into this today with friends by my side, all of us primed to hate-fuck it based on previous experience with David Cage. We went in bingo cards in hand.
We're only partway into the game and continuing tomorrow, I'd probably guess maybe halfway?
Markus just met the androids in Jericho when we called it for the night
Every single scene we're liking it more and more. This might be the most competant game QD has ever made. There's still ample opportunity for Cage to fuck it up with his Cageiness, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
There was a steam sig here. It's gone now.
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I just finished it.
Super spoilers (really don't read unless you've completed it already) and random thoughts/head-canon:
Kara & Connor lived, Markus died, despite my attempts to play as a 100% pacifist, Hank died even though I tried to be his friend.
That Zen Garden isn't a real place, it's a networked VR construct and Connor's contact there is an AI created from a brain/neuro-connectome scan of the former CEO's (of Cyberlife) University professor. The CEO was her protégé and she was the actual inventor of synthetic blood and biotech components.
The CEO killed her after she was no longer useful, only keeping her around as an AI handler/dispatcher responsible for keeping Connor on a leash.
I never really believed any of the androids could 'die'. Connor gets networked backups to the cloud (satellite uplink?), and yet no other droids are shown to, even when they demonstrate the use of wireless communication. In 2038 you should (following Moore's law) be able to fit any of them on a storage device smaller than a thumbnail, so it feels like a very forced Cage-ian limitation for plot reasons and to engender forced empathy.
Generally droids appear to use NFC. Closest thing to a USB or ethernet port is on the back of the neck.
Markus potentially asking for 'reproductive rights' is dumb and I didn't choose it. Later on they have 3D printers right there on the ship! Contradictory.
Silicon valley topknot asshat* (or walking 'Ex Machina' reference) really doesn't tell you anything useful, so there's very little point to shooting one of his droids.
He really only tests you because he's bored. I went back and re-did this scene a few times because it bugged me so much.
The twist with Alice actually surprised me. A drug addict father buys android replacements for his estrange wife and daughter, and yet continues the kind of behaviour that caused them to become estranged in the first place, with the droids as proxies for his 'deadbeat dad' aggression. And Alice never actually eats (and rarely sleeps), a subtle clue that I should have spotted before the reveal.
I never found the decryption key for the journal, but I get the feeling it probably just leads to another method of finding the Jericho.
Was the Jericho sea-worthy? It looked like they sailed it to another port, I'm not sure.
There's a semi-hidden tribute to Marvin Minsky in the game. As an AI nerd** - That's very fucking cool!
*I could never remember his name so that's what I call him. :P
**I'm reading Peter Godfrey-Smith's work at the same time.
There is a lot of Cagieness, and Cage hitting the player over the head with a wiffle-bat, but you can tell (from the concept art and making-of doc) he made some concessions this time around and listened to other, better, saner writers on his team.
There are things that could be better, but overall I enjoyed it.
the weird violent/pacifist dichotomy of the protest part. The pacifist protest was mostly graffiti and the violence was just property destruction instead of Markus going Nat Turner saying, "OK, let's kill all our former masters for their many crimes." You don't even get the option to burn lots of things down. The closest is choosing to kill the cops, but you still get considered violent if you don't kill them.
It would have been better if the words they used to describe them were changed, but I still dislike the options given.
There were a decent number of cases where options they didn't give made much more sense than the ones they did. There was no option to tell the android creator guy to give the information he just told us he had or else.
The game tries to make the connection of the protests more to the civil rights era instead of a much more appropriate slave uprising/civil war situation where the choices are more between "we don't wish to murder you all and we will stop fighting as soon as you give us our freedom" and "your crimes are numerous and you must pay for them in blood."
OK. Whatever else happens in the game, the scene in the lieutenant's home is gold.
EDIT: OK. I just had an absolute bullshit moment.
Right after stealing the truck key while going after Blue Blood, the game wouldn't me climb out the window again. Everything else in the game, good or bad, I've been OK with how things turned out, and had no desire to restart. But to have something go south because my character flopped around looking at his escape route is just bullshit. If I had jumped out and been ambushed, sure. I'd be OK with that. But the "DERP I CAN'T WINDOW" thing just pisses me off.
I'll stand by my decisions. I won't stand by derp.
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the abandoned house option for shelter for Kara because that leads to a groan worthy depiction of mental illness and characters acting really nonsensically.
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So I rented this from Redbox for 3 days for $7. I'm on day two, not sure how far I've gotten. I'm liking the game a lot, but finally came to a spot that I found atrocious and had to go back and redo:
when escaping from Jericho, Kara and Alice get gunned down. WHAT! Just because I chose to ran? I have to play dead or surrender? It was just such a sudden "oh two main characters die suddenly in a super lame way". Maybe this can happen more than I think and I've just lucked out with choices, but that was super dumb so I had to go back and redo that scene
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Looks like it's meeting my expectations
Played the demo. I hope that saving that fish (and seemingly small choices like that) actually leads to something interesting in the full game.
It helps that I’m genuinely curious to see a futuristic vidya game depiction of the city I’ve lived around my entire life. So far it looks like they may have...nailed it?
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Easy Allies did a pretty good review, (IMO) it's an extremely good-looking (with B-tier writing) game that could do with a bit less hitting you over the head with it's well-trodden theme, plot-wise.
There's a fun quiz in the extras menu that (among other things) asks whether or not you believe in a god ('No' is currently the most popular world-wide answer).
Yup, David Cage game.
It's still an enjoyable 12-14 hours though.
The game has a really neat touch/easter egg if you leave it idling on the main menu.
The guide/narrator character will make a bunch of comments on various topics, none of which seem to be repeats so far.
They made a comment about the decoration of my house and I had to check that the PSVR camera was actually switched off.
"...only mights and maybes."
"...only mights and maybes."
Asexual ass automatons
~ Buckaroo Banzai
From what I can see of locked chapters there's 3 super critical choices/failures that can really change the chapters.
Also there's a super meta choice at the end of the game
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We're only partway into the game and continuing tomorrow, I'd probably guess maybe halfway?
Every single scene we're liking it more and more. This might be the most competant game QD has ever made. There's still ample opportunity for Cage to fuck it up with his Cageiness, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
Super spoilers (really don't read unless you've completed it already) and random thoughts/head-canon:
That Zen Garden isn't a real place, it's a networked VR construct and Connor's contact there is an AI created from a brain/neuro-connectome scan of the former CEO's (of Cyberlife) University professor. The CEO was her protégé and she was the actual inventor of synthetic blood and biotech components.
The CEO killed her after she was no longer useful, only keeping her around as an AI handler/dispatcher responsible for keeping Connor on a leash.
I never really believed any of the androids could 'die'. Connor gets networked backups to the cloud (satellite uplink?), and yet no other droids are shown to, even when they demonstrate the use of wireless communication. In 2038 you should (following Moore's law) be able to fit any of them on a storage device smaller than a thumbnail, so it feels like a very forced Cage-ian limitation for plot reasons and to engender forced empathy.
Generally droids appear to use NFC. Closest thing to a USB or ethernet port is on the back of the neck.
Markus potentially asking for 'reproductive rights' is dumb and I didn't choose it. Later on they have 3D printers right there on the ship! Contradictory.
Silicon valley topknot asshat* (or walking 'Ex Machina' reference) really doesn't tell you anything useful, so there's very little point to shooting one of his droids.
He really only tests you because he's bored. I went back and re-did this scene a few times because it bugged me so much.
The twist with Alice actually surprised me. A drug addict father buys android replacements for his estrange wife and daughter, and yet continues the kind of behaviour that caused them to become estranged in the first place, with the droids as proxies for his 'deadbeat dad' aggression. And Alice never actually eats (and rarely sleeps), a subtle clue that I should have spotted before the reveal.
I never found the decryption key for the journal, but I get the feeling it probably just leads to another method of finding the Jericho.
Was the Jericho sea-worthy? It looked like they sailed it to another port, I'm not sure.
There's a semi-hidden tribute to Marvin Minsky in the game. As an AI nerd** - That's very fucking cool!
*I could never remember his name so that's what I call him. :P
**I'm reading Peter Godfrey-Smith's work at the same time.
There is a lot of Cagieness, and Cage hitting the player over the head with a wiffle-bat, but you can tell (from the concept art and making-of doc) he made some concessions this time around and listened to other, better, saner writers on his team.
There are things that could be better, but overall I enjoyed it.
It would have been better if the words they used to describe them were changed, but I still dislike the options given.
There were a decent number of cases where options they didn't give made much more sense than the ones they did. There was no option to tell the android creator guy to give the information he just told us he had or else.
The game tries to make the connection of the protests more to the civil rights era instead of a much more appropriate slave uprising/civil war situation where the choices are more between "we don't wish to murder you all and we will stop fighting as soon as you give us our freedom" and "your crimes are numerous and you must pay for them in blood."
LMAO.
I started letting it happen on purepose just because it's hilarious.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Im getting very excited!
EDIT: OK. I just had an absolute bullshit moment.
I'll stand by my decisions. I won't stand by derp.
"...only mights and maybes."
I wonder if you can
No awkward sex in train cars
Characters that don’t look deadpan
Imagine all the people
Praising Cage’s games
"...only mights and maybes."