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[Michael Cohen thread] SDNY cases against Cohen, Stormy Daniels case, bribes through Cohen

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    And Michael Cohens page at gop.com about him being the finance chair of the party is already missing.

    Replaced by a page about him being the coffee chairnof the party.


    I will give them a cookie here, though. So far the last couple years whenever they try to Ministry of Truth something they don't bother stuffing it down the memory hole and just leave it out on the table while denying it ever happened. This time SOMEBODY thought to do the bare minimum for a change.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing to Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    edited April 2018
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is Cohen the "Says who" guy?

    Or was that Lewandowski?

    He is indeed the "Says Who?" Guy.

    Glorious! My cup runneth over.

    This is a significant and weighty step and I feel like we are surging toward end game. I have to wonder that since Cohen was Finance Chair for the GOP if the Feds were able to nab anything to incriminate the rest of the party.

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  • DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is Cohen the "Says who" guy?

    Or was that Lewandowski?

    He is indeed the "Says Who?" Guy.

    I don't feel as good making fun of that anymore because, his apparent cluelessness aside, he ended up being right, the polls were wrong, and Trump became President.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is Cohen the "Says who" guy?

    Or was that Lewandowski?

    He is indeed the "Says Who?" Guy.

    Glorious! My cup runneth over.

    This is a significant and weighty step and I feel like we are surging toward end game. I have to wonder that since Cohen was Finance Chair for the GOP if the Feds were able to nab anything to incriminate the rest of the party.

    Based on people theorizing on what would lead a judge to approve this, I would guess that unless those connections are directly related to what the warrant was for, even if they found them I don't think they could use them. :(

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Ardol wrote: »
    Priest wrote: »
    Question:

    How does law enforcement seize these documents and avoid breaching attorney-client privilege at the same time?

    I mean, surely they have a warrant to search for documents related to money laundering, campaign finance violations, etc. But if, in the processing of those documents, they found evidence of another crime, and that evidence was say, documentation of a conversation between attorney and client? How do you put the rabbit back in the hat on that sort of thing? Does it become inadmissible and you have to prove it some other way? Does everyone take a valium and pretend it never happened? Like, this is a part of law that I never thought about and I'm really curious about now. What is the extent of attorney-client privilege?

    From what I've read they use a completely separate "taint" team which is completely walled off from the rest of the investigation to go through the messages and separate out the ones which are privileged. The actual investigators don't ever see those files.

    Any chance this is the reason Mueller passed it off?

    That seems plausible. If the Special Counsel's Office is "the team," would they need the DOJ regulars to provide the taint team?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    The Post is reporting it's bank fraud and campaign finance violations as the focus of the Cohen part of the investigation. The latter is partly the Stormy Daniels thing. Bank fraud could be lots of stuff, but I guess not the connected to Russia kind.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie ATOMIKA! IT’S ME! IT’S DESKTOP HIPPIE!Registered User regular
    It was brought up a good while back that if Cohen used campaign funds to pay off Stormy Daniels then that would violate campaign law, because the amount involved was more than a campaign is allowed to pay one person. I don’t remember the details, but that could be the campaign finance violation bit and why they’re interested in the Stormy stuff.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    He also pulled personal funds from his home equity and moved it to a shell company.

    That’s where the possible wire fraud is

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And there's Russian ties to this as well:
    The special counsel is investigating a payment made to President Trump’s foundation by a Ukrainian steel magnate for a talk during the campaign, according to three people briefed on the matter, as part of a broader examination of streams of foreign money to Mr. Trump and his associates in the years leading up to the election.

    Investigators subpoenaed the Trump Organization this year for an array of records about business with foreign nationals. In response, the company handed over documents about a $150,000 donation that the Ukrainian billionaire, Victor Pinchuk, made in September 2015 to the Donald J. Trump Foundation in exchange for a 20-minute appearance by Mr. Trump that month through a video link to a conference in Kiev.

    Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer whose office and hotel room were raided on Monday in an apparently unrelated case, solicited the donation. The contribution from Mr. Pinchuk, who has sought closer ties for Ukraine to the West, was the largest the foundation received in 2015 from anyone besides Mr. Trump himself.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Mueller memo last week:

    "a Special Counsel may conclude that investigating otherwise unrelated allegations against a central witness in the matter is necessary to obtain cooperation."

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing to Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is Cohen the "Says who" guy?

    Or was that Lewandowski?

    He is indeed the "Says Who?" Guy.

    I don't feel as good making fun of that anymore because, his apparent cluelessness aside, he ended up being right, the polls were wrong, and Trump became President.

    Comey throwing a grenade a scant few days before the elections is not the same thing as the polls being wrong.

    I remember/loathe Cohen from that incident because of his petty bulliness, and I'm glad to see him getting his comeuppance.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    WSJ reports
    The searches were executed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as part of a probe by the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, which has opened an investigation that is being coordinated with the office of special counsel Robert Mueller, this person said.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

    I am thinking the same. I do not think they needed to raid Cohen’s home and office to secure proof of such a transaction if that was all they were looking for. They could have subpoenaed or found a less intrusive way if the interest was really campaign finance violations stemming from the hush money payment.

    Nah, whatever they’re looking for it’s bigger than that. Either multiple instances of campaign finance violations (remember Bannon saying there were so so so many women out there) or other, bigger fraudulent crimes

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing to Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    WSJ reports
    The searches were executed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as part of a probe by the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, which has opened an investigation that is being coordinated with the office of special counsel Robert Mueller, this person said.
    President Donald Trump calls raids a ‘disgrace’ and a ‘witch hunt’ as federal agents seize communications on topics including payments to former porn actress

    It's 2018 and this is happening.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

    I am thinking the same. I do not think they needed to raid Cohen’s home and office to secure proof of such a transaction if that was all they were looking for. They could have subpoenaed or found a less intrusive way if the interest was really campaign finance violations stemming from the hush money payment.

    Nah, whatever they’re looking for it’s bigger than that. Either multiple instances of campaign finance violations (remember Bannon saying there were so so so many women out there) or other, bigger fraudulent crimes

    And it's seemingly not directly in Mueller's purview, so it is probably not the rumored Cohen "Russia-Ukraine peace plan" that is rumored to take place in Europe in I think June of 2016. I would guess major fraud in the Trump organization, which is why Trump is going ballistic and is madder than he's ever been (according to Haberman, which is the one thing she is useful for).

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

    I am thinking the same. I do not think they needed to raid Cohen’s home and office to secure proof of such a transaction if that was all they were looking for. They could have subpoenaed or found a less intrusive way if the interest was really campaign finance violations stemming from the hush money payment.

    Nah, whatever they’re looking for it’s bigger than that. Either multiple instances of campaign finance violations (remember Bannon saying there were so so so many women out there) or other, bigger fraudulent crimes

    And it's seemingly not directly in Mueller's purview, so it is probably not the rumored Cohen "Russia-Ukraine peace plan" that is rumored to take place in Europe in I think June of 2016. I would guess major fraud in the Trump organization, which is why Trump is going ballistic and is madder than he's ever been (according to Haberman, which is the one thing she is useful for).

    Fraud? In the Trump Organization? I don’t believe it :rotate:

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

    I am thinking the same. I do not think they needed to raid Cohen’s home and office to secure proof of such a transaction if that was all they were looking for. They could have subpoenaed or found a less intrusive way if the interest was really campaign finance violations stemming from the hush money payment.

    Nah, whatever they’re looking for it’s bigger than that. Either multiple instances of campaign finance violations (remember Bannon saying there were so so so many women out there) or other, bigger fraudulent crimes

    And it's seemingly not directly in Mueller's purview, so it is probably not the rumored Cohen "Russia-Ukraine peace plan" that is rumored to take place in Europe in I think June of 2016. I would guess major fraud in the Trump organization, which is why Trump is going ballistic and is madder than he's ever been (according to Haberman, which is the one thing she is useful for).

    I can't help but wonder if they found real proof of russian money laundering through those very sketchy real estate deals. However it's also possible the FBI was overzealous and ordered a big flashy raid over the Daniels thing. It's interesting this is happening after Nader got picked up.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

    I am thinking the same. I do not think they needed to raid Cohen’s home and office to secure proof of such a transaction if that was all they were looking for. They could have subpoenaed or found a less intrusive way if the interest was really campaign finance violations stemming from the hush money payment.

    Nah, whatever they’re looking for it’s bigger than that. Either multiple instances of campaign finance violations (remember Bannon saying there were so so so many women out there) or other, bigger fraudulent crimes

    And it's seemingly not directly in Mueller's purview, so it is probably not the rumored Cohen "Russia-Ukraine peace plan" that is rumored to take place in Europe in I think June of 2016. I would guess major fraud in the Trump organization, which is why Trump is going ballistic and is madder than he's ever been (according to Haberman, which is the one thing she is useful for).

    I can't help but wonder if they found real proof of russian money laundering through those very sketchy real estate deals. However it's also possible the FBI was overzealous and ordered a big flashy raid over the Daniels thing.

    Russia money laundering would presumably go back to the collusion investigation and thus Mueller would indict directly though.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?), which would tie it to campaign law, and if any of that money touched the RNC in any way, it is possible that whole can of worms could justifiably be opened here.

    It is probably just wishful thinking though. I mean, I would fucking love it if it was and they know it is, and that is the degree of the evidence they could show the judge and the whole fucking thing falls down here, from every side (Mueller on the Trump side, NY AG on the RNC side), but if I've learned anything from the past couple years...and...well, history; that sort of reckoning is reserved for the movies and not the real world.

    The Stormy thing is not so urgent a matter so as to require a raid that breaches attorney-client privilege. My understanding is that prosecutors are extremely reluctant to do that. A $130,000 illegal use of campaign funds hardly seems to rise to that level, especially given that SCOTUS has functionally legalized outright bribery.

    I am thinking the same. I do not think they needed to raid Cohen’s home and office to secure proof of such a transaction if that was all they were looking for. They could have subpoenaed or found a less intrusive way if the interest was really campaign finance violations stemming from the hush money payment.

    Nah, whatever they’re looking for it’s bigger than that. Either multiple instances of campaign finance violations (remember Bannon saying there were so so so many women out there) or other, bigger fraudulent crimes

    And it's seemingly not directly in Mueller's purview, so it is probably not the rumored Cohen "Russia-Ukraine peace plan" that is rumored to take place in Europe in I think June of 2016. I would guess major fraud in the Trump organization, which is why Trump is going ballistic and is madder than he's ever been (according to Haberman, which is the one thing she is useful for).

    I can't help but wonder if they found real proof of russian money laundering through those very sketchy real estate deals. However it's also possible the FBI was overzealous and ordered a big flashy raid over the Daniels thing.

    Russia money laundering would presumably go back to the collusion investigation and thus Mueller would indict directly though.

    Yeah, good point.

  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    “Trump is madder than ever before” is the contemporary news equivalent of a Shepard tone.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing to Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    "Stormy Daniels Taint Team" is not a phrase that should not be relevent to a discussion involving the President of the United States.

    And yet, here we are.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Cohen was involved in the failed Moscow Trump Hotel deal remember

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is Cohen the "Says who" guy?

    Or was that Lewandowski?

    He is indeed the "Says Who?" Guy.

    Glorious! My cup runneth over.

    This is a significant and weighty step and I feel like we are surging toward end game. I have to wonder that since Cohen was Finance Chair for the GOP if the Feds were able to nab anything to incriminate the rest of the party.

    Based on people theorizing on what would lead a judge to approve this, I would guess that unless those connections are directly related to what the warrant was for, even if they found them I don't think they could use them. :(

    Nah, they just have to filter out anything protected by attorney-client privilege, for which long-standing procedures exist. After that point the evidence can be shared among any investigations that it's relevant to, in as many jurisdictions as needed, more or less (I think, IANAL).

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    "Taint team" has been said on the news so much today already. Colbert joked we're going to find out it's an unreleased Stormy Daniels porno title.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    Okay, so if there's one investigation into Cohen for bank fraud, and then a Mueller probe into Cohen getting money from a Russian interest, would the latter be fit for the Mueller thread (and thus shouldn't be here)?

    BTW I wish everyone that Trump knows would stop committing crimes because our thread count is getting pretty nutty.

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    Can't make this shit up.
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    So another interesting tidbit I found out today.

    Michael Cohen attended Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Michigan_University_Cooley_Law_School#Ranking_and_reputation
    According to Cooley's ABA required disclosures, only 27.4% of graduates from the class of 2015 obtained full-time, long term, bar passage required employment 9 months after graduation.[6] 23.8% of graduates were unemployed 9 months after graduation.[7] Only 51.86% of graduates managed to pass a state bar exam in 2015, a requirement to practice law.[8] In 2017, the school was one of ten American law schools found to be out of compliance with the American Bar Association's requirement that schools only admit students who appear capable of earning a J.D. degree and passing the bar examination.[9] The school was recently ranked the worst law school in the country by Above the Law.[10]

    ...

    During the 2015-2016 application cycle, Cooley admitted 85.8% of applicants. The entering fall 2016 class had a median GPA of 2.90 and median LSAT of 141 (15th percentile of test takers).[32] The 25th percentile GPA of enrolled students was 2.60 and the 25th percentile LSAT of enrolled students was 138 (9th percentile of test takers).[33] Law professor David Frakt described Cooley's 2015 entering class as "statistically the worst entering class of law students in the history of American legal education at an ABA-Accredited law school."[34]

    So that he would make the illegal payment and then lie about it in a way that deprivileges it by saying it wasn't something between him and his client is perhaps to be expected.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Cohen being a bridge to many unsavoury activities has made him a Christmas gift to Mueller, and Stormy Daniels' lawyer.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Cohen being a bridge to many unsavoury activities has made him a Christmas gift to Mueller, and Stormy Daniels' lawyer.

    I'm not sure Cohen has ever been engaged in a savory activity.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I don't think we need to dig into Cohen's education and shit on his alma mater. It's abundantly clear he's a horrible attorney

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Was Cohen involved in Trump's legal defense against the corruption probe?

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/trump-appointed-attorney-geoffrey-berman-now-investigating-michael-cohen/

    Berman is a Trump appointee who donated money to Trump's campaign. I seriously doubt that Stormy Daniels was the breaking point for him.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    A sitting President's lawyer had a no-knock search warrant executed on practically every property he owns because there is a credible basis to believe that he might destroy evidence of his crimes.

    The actual fucking lawyer for the actual fucking President.

    This is fucking ridiculous.

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2018
    It seems mostly tied to the Daniels thing (and who even knows how many others? I mean...do we know if there were others at the same time?)

    There is at least one other woman from around that time, Karen McDougal, that was paid by the enquirer to give them her story prior to the election, had her sign a NDA, then never ran the story.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/karen-mcdougal-donald-trump/index.html
    Thursday's sitdown is McDougal's first televised interview since she filed a lawsuit earlier this week against American Media Inc., the company that owns The National Enquirer, to be released from an agreement with the company.

    In response to Trump's offer of money after the first time she said they had sex, McDougal said she told Trump, "That's not me. I'm not that kind of girl."

    "And he said, 'Oh,' and he said, 'You're really special,'" she said, adding that "it hurt me that he saw me in that light."

    "I didn't know he was intimate with other ladies," she said. "I thought I was the only one."

    Adult film actress Stormy Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, has likewise gone to court to break her silence about an alleged affair with Trump around the same time.

    Edit: In what may actually be coincidence, Karen and Stormy had the same lawyer at the time they signed their NDAs prior to the election.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    So are we going to find out that Keith Davidson was also paid off to tell his clients to sign those phony NDAs?

    Where have we heard of that tactic before...?

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  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    A sitting President's lawyer had a no-knock search warrant executed on practically every property he owns because there is a credible basis to believe that he might destroy evidence of his crimes.

    The actual fucking lawyer for the actual fucking President.

    This is fucking ridiculous.

    Manafort got raided, now Cohen.

    Starting to think other people in Trump's circle might decide to start destroying evidence preemptively. 'Cuz I would not be surprised if one or two people are worried they might be next.

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    A sitting President's lawyer had a no-knock search warrant executed on practically every property he owns because there is a credible basis to believe that he might destroy evidence of his crimes.

    The actual fucking lawyer for the actual fucking President.

    This is fucking ridiculous.

    Manafort got raided, now Cohen.

    Starting to think other people in Trump's circle might decide to start destroying evidence preemptively. 'Cuz I would not be surprised if one or two people are worried they might be next.

    Roger Stone's never even HEARD of "email".

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    "I didn't know he was intimate with other ladies," she said. "I thought I was the only one."

    ...This happened while he was married to Melania. Some people...

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  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    It’s insane on Twitter. Like Alex Jones is running the show.

    Calling Mueller a liberal plant and he’s part of the Clinton cover up. It’s just bizzaroland.

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