Who or what is Southpaw and why should I trust them?
We should sticky this! Or let me make an ebum's guide to media consumption thread.
Southpaw is nycsouthpaw, who is a pseudononymous lawyer in New York and prolific tweeter. Not technically verified, but literally everyone on the left trusts them, from media figures like Josh Marshall and Jon Favreau and what not all the way to a ton of elected officials. Smart person generally, particularly good at reading court documents and ferreting out useful information from them.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Also sorry SIG, just assume it's southpaw if I don't like something. It's usually southpaw.
If it was mutual consent, I'm doubtful there'll be anything helpful in there.
Theory is that it’s better for trump et al to waive privilege on this rather than having the special master determine that they are not privileged due to the, you know, recording a criminal conspiracy thing these folks seem to be doing.
Also sorry SIG, just assume it's southpaw if I don't like something. It's usually southpaw.
If it was mutual consent, I'm doubtful there'll be anything helpful in there.
Remember that Trump's lawyers are Rudy Giuliani and similarly intelligent individuals.
Giuliani is now saying that Trump is not a participant in the other tapes, but merely the subject.
Now, you don't have to be a legal expert to ask, "How could he invoke privilege on a tape he is only the subject of?", but here is a legal expert asking just that.
“DID THEY THINK I WAS JUST GOING TO ROLL OVER AND DIE?”: THE COHEN VS. TRUMP BATTLE RATCHETS UP
What might Cohen know about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower between Don Jr., Kushner, Manafort, and a Russian lawyer with ties to the Kremlin who promised to provide them with “dirt” on Hillary Clinton? “When Michael says that he wants the truth out there, and that the truth is not the president’s friend, he is not talking about marginal issues,” says a person close to Cohen. “He’s talking about core issues at the heart of the Mueller probe.”
Giuliani asserted that the recording confirms that Trump did not know about the McDougal arrangement beforehand (a claim that Cohen’s camp has denied): “People always wondered how he could make the Stormy payment without permission, and this shows that Cohen had the authority to do things like that.” He added that the payment was never made because “Cohen wasn’t able to make the deal.” People close to Cohen have disputed some of Giuliani’s characterization of the conversation, such as his claim that Trump suggested he make the payment with a check, rather than cash, so that it could be documented. (Those around Cohen said that it was, in fact, the other way around.) Two people familiar with Cohen’s thinking believe that Trump’s lawyers decided to waive privilege to undercut Cohen, who could have potentially used the exclusive possession of the material as a bargaining chip to cut a deal with prosecutors. (Cohen has not yet met with the government, according to these people, but he suggested that he may be open to the possibility during a recent interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. Giuliani told me that while he did not leak it, he was glad it got out.)
Despite the tape’s release, however, people familiar with Cohen’s thinking are confident that his value as a potential cooperating witness is undiminished. “It’s not the recording that is valuable,” one person said. “It’s the backstory.” Another person close to Cohen said that he was privy to information that could be valuable to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s attempt to interfere in the 2016 election. “When Michael says that he wants the truth out there, and that the truth is not the president’s friend, he is not talking about marginal issues. He’s talking about core issues at the heart of the Mueller probe,” this person continued. Three people familiar with the situation believe that Cohen has discussed information about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower, during which Don Jr., Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with a Russian lawyer with ties to the Kremlin who promised to provide them with “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. (Cohen declined to comment.)
I feel like this is just Cohen trying to coerce a pardon out of Trump that Cohen knows isn't coming on its own, given the news about the recordings and Trump's reaction.
I feel like this is just Cohen trying to coerce a pardon out of Trump that Cohen knows isn't coming on its own, given the news about the recordings and Trump's reaction.
After secretly recording conversations with Trump, there is a 1% chance Cohen gets a pardon now, and only that because Trump may just forget it happened.
I feel like this is just Cohen trying to coerce a pardon out of Trump that Cohen knows isn't coming on its own, given the news about the recordings and Trump's reaction.
After secretly recording conversations with Trump, there is a 1% chance Cohen gets a pardon now, and only that because Trump may just forget it happened.
If that's all it takes, then I'd put the odds closer to 50/50.
Why would you ever wave priveledge for anything that you aren't 100% sure exonerates you.
Like I'm an ADD riddled 36 year old living at home and even I get that privilege is something you cling to like a god damn life ring.
It's all according to keikaku*
*keikaku means really stupid plan
It's really weird when you're pretty sure that a team of marginally intelligent law students could do a better job than the president's lawyers. Well, at least a better job than Guiliani is doing.
Why would you ever wave priveledge for anything that you aren't 100% sure exonerates you.
Like I'm an ADD riddled 36 year old living at home and even I get that privilege is something you cling to like a god damn life ring.
It's all according to keikaku*
*keikaku means really stupid plan
It's really weird when you're pretty sure that a team of marginally intelligent law students could do a better job than the president's lawyers. Well, at least a better job than Guiliani is doing.
I am confident that between all the lawyers we have here we have a better legal team than the president.
Why would you ever wave priveledge for anything that you aren't 100% sure exonerates you.
Like I'm an ADD riddled 36 year old living at home and even I get that privilege is something you cling to like a god damn life ring.
It's all according to keikaku*
*keikaku means really stupid plan
It's really weird when you're pretty sure that a team of marginally intelligent law students could do a better job than the president's lawyers. Well, at least a better job than Guiliani is doing.
I am confident that between all the lawyers we have here we have a better legal team than the president.
I am pretty confident we don’t even need them
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I feel like this is just Cohen trying to coerce a pardon out of Trump that Cohen knows isn't coming on its own, given the news about the recordings and Trump's reaction.
Yes, it really feels like Cohen has become increasingly desperate as he has run out of money for his lawyers and is steadily realising that Trump does not give a shit about him and is not gonna save him. And so Cohen keeps floating the vague threat that Trump needs to give him some help or else.
Anything Cohen says to the media is designed for an audience of exactly one person.
I'm ignoring him until he shuts his gob in public and starts actually talking to Mueller and/or whatever prosecutors are involved with his particular case. Everything else is begging for help from the President.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Chris Cuomo has the Cohen/Trump audio tape and is playing it now on CNN.
Cohen's lawyer is on and pleaded directly to the camera to please just listen to the tape, where Trump says "we should pay her in cash."
The recording, which was provided to CNN by Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis, was made in September 2016.
"What is this about? This is about honesty versus false disparagement of Michael Cohen. Why is Giuliani out falsely disparaging Michael Cohen -- because they fear him," Davis said on "Cuomo Prime Time."
"What do they fear, Chris? Why am I representing him? They fear that he has the truth about Donald Trump. He will someday speak the truth about Donald Trump. The truth is that when Donald Trump said 'cash,' which Rudy Giuliani knows that only drug dealers and mobsters talk about cash, it was, you heard Michael Cohen ... say what? 'No, no, no, no.'"
Davis later added: "Ladies and gentlemen, if you voted for Donald Trump, listen to the tape and ask yourself: Is Donald Trump lying when he said he didn't use the word 'cash' and accuses Michael Cohen of using the word 'cash'? Cohen has been disparaged. Cohen has been insulted and called all sorts of things by people around Donald Trump."
I wouldn't take him at his word necessarily but it's hard to imagine this being a scheme initiated by Trump. Cohen's lawyer released it because he thinks it looks good for Cohen. At least better for him than for Trump.
Wait, so Giuliani said that the tape exonerated Trump because he insisted on paying with a check, but the tape clearly has Trump saying they should pay in cash? And they waived privilege on this?
Wait, so Giuliani said that the tape exonerated Trump because he insisted on paying with a check, but the tape clearly has Trump saying they should pay in cash? And they waived privilege on this?
Nothing means anything.
These people really do make me want to use the Psyduck picture.
Wait, so Giuliani said that the tape exonerated Trump because he insisted on paying with a check, but the tape clearly has Trump saying they should pay in cash? And they waived privilege on this?
Nothing means anything.
This is like a direct-to-video sequel to Liar, Liar where he can only speak in the dumbest, most obvious lies
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
I wouldn't take him at his word necessarily but it's hard to imagine this being a scheme initiated by Trump. Cohen's lawyer released it because he thinks it looks good for Cohen. At least better for him than for Trump.
Guiliani likely leaked the story in advanced in order to control the narrative before anyone else had the chance.
And apparently the campaign is now basically claiming that Trump actually said "wouldn't" in regards to using cash.
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4615447-Notice-Other.html
Mutual consent, it appears?
Also sorry SIG, just assume it's southpaw if I don't link something. It's usually southpaw.
He can pay you for the clicks later
They're a lawdog on Twitter who does a lot of solid commentary.
If it was mutual consent, I'm doubtful there'll be anything helpful in there.
We should sticky this! Or let me make an ebum's guide to media consumption thread.
Southpaw is nycsouthpaw, who is a pseudononymous lawyer in New York and prolific tweeter. Not technically verified, but literally everyone on the left trusts them, from media figures like Josh Marshall and Jon Favreau and what not all the way to a ton of elected officials. Smart person generally, particularly good at reading court documents and ferreting out useful information from them.
Remember that Trump's lawyers are Rudy Giuliani and similarly intelligent individuals.
These are people who tweet out their notes on a possible criminal conspiracy.
But, then...
A stopped clock can be right occasionally, so we'll see soon enough.
Theory is that it’s better for trump et al to waive privilege on this rather than having the special master determine that they are not privileged due to the, you know, recording a criminal conspiracy thing these folks seem to be doing.
Edit: from a PR perspective that is...
Giuliani is now saying that Trump is not a participant in the other tapes, but merely the subject.
Now, you don't have to be a legal expert to ask, "How could he invoke privilege on a tape he is only the subject of?", but here is a legal expert asking just that.
Those were the conversations protected by privilege.
Presumably, there were many other conversations that weren't.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-cohen-vs-trump-battle-ratchets-up
After secretly recording conversations with Trump, there is a 1% chance Cohen gets a pardon now, and only that because Trump may just forget it happened.
If that's all it takes, then I'd put the odds closer to 50/50.
If Giuliani said the sky was blue, I’d sprint to check outside in a panic because the the atmosphere is probably on fire.
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Like I'm an ADD riddled 36 year old living at home and even I get that privilege is something you cling to like a god damn life ring.
It's all according to keikaku*
*keikaku means really stupid plan
It's really weird when you're pretty sure that a team of marginally intelligent law students could do a better job than the president's lawyers. Well, at least a better job than Guiliani is doing.
I am confident that between all the lawyers we have here we have a better legal team than the president.
I am pretty confident we don’t even need them
more like caca-ku
Caca coup.
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Yes, it really feels like Cohen has become increasingly desperate as he has run out of money for his lawyers and is steadily realising that Trump does not give a shit about him and is not gonna save him. And so Cohen keeps floating the vague threat that Trump needs to give him some help or else.
I'm ignoring him until he shuts his gob in public and starts actually talking to Mueller and/or whatever prosecutors are involved with his particular case. Everything else is begging for help from the President.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Cohen's lawyer is on and pleaded directly to the camera to please just listen to the tape, where Trump says "we should pay her in cash."
I wouldn't take him at his word necessarily but it's hard to imagine this being a scheme initiated by Trump. Cohen's lawyer released it because he thinks it looks good for Cohen. At least better for him than for Trump.
Nothing means anything.
These people really do make me want to use the Psyduck picture.
This is like a direct-to-video sequel to Liar, Liar where he can only speak in the dumbest, most obvious lies
Guiliani likely leaked the story in advanced in order to control the narrative before anyone else had the chance.
And apparently the campaign is now basically claiming that Trump actually said "wouldn't" in regards to using cash.
8:45 in.
CNN is a TV news network.