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The Reunited [Souls] Thread

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Welcome to the Souls thread!
OP elements stolen from Houn and Fawst.

It's the reunited Souls thread! This thread is for discussion about Demon's Souls and Dark Souls (all three of them!). Bloodborne has its own thread, which you can find over here. But it'll probably merge in here one day.

Previous Dark Souls 3 thread is here.
Previous Demon's Souls / Dark Souls / Dark Souls 2 thread is here and currently still going if you want to avoid any DS3 talk for some reason!


Rules
  • Do not discuss the merits of PvP invasions. This just leads to pages of uselessness and hurt feelings.
  • Be considerate and use spoiler tags. DS1 is getting a remaster, and DS3 still has lots of new players jumping in with every sale.


What are these games?

You've heard of Souls games by now. So instead of wasting forum space with a paragraph about the basic idea, let's talk a bit about the four games this thread is for. If you haven't played them, that might give you an idea of where you can jump in. What follows includes a healthy influx of mah personal opinions mixed in, which you probably will disagree with in part or entirely!


DEMON'S SOULS
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The one that started it all! Well, sort of, because it's really just another iteration of old PS2 games tha- Ow, I'm sorry! Okay, I'll stop. Demon's Souls is the one that started it all! It's a PS3 exclusive, so that's pretty much the only way you can play it today (maybe PS Now if you use that for some reason). The online services were closed in February 2018, so you can only play this one in offline mode today. Fortunately, that happens to be the best way to enjoy Demon's Souls by far.

The game is super atmospheric and nigh-impenetrable. It's as hard as any of the games in the series, though a bit less because of the enemies and stage design and more because it's hella obscure and impenetrable. I loved this game when it first came out, but honestly I'm not sure it really holds up quite so well today. It's still a good romp from a retrospective angle, but if you're new to the series, probably don't start here.


DARK SOULS
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The one that started it all for most people! This game begins the Dark Souls trilogy. With the Remastered version at the edge of release upon creating this thread, that's probably a really good choice for a jumping-in point in these games. The gameplay is a bit more clunky than the titles that followed, but the area design is superb. And if you want to dig into the lore, you pretty much have to start here for much of anything to make sense at all. Dark Souls was released on PS3, X-Box 360, and PC; the remaster is coming out on the Nintendo Switch and probably other systems later.


DARK SOULS II
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The red-headed step-child of the series, Dark Souls II had a lot of backlash upon initial release, much of it fair. The game does not share directors with all the other games in the series, which is one of the reasons it feels a bit different. It's more of a side-story that's barely acknowledged in the third game. However, reception has warmed substantially toward this game as time has passed thanks to some notable steps forward in areas such as weapon options and quality-of-life. Personally I love this game, but if your main love for the original was its inventive bosses and sleek interconnected world design, this one's going to disappoint. Since it's a side story, it's actually not a bad entry point into the series if you want to try it out on the cheap and are mostly curious about the style of play. The Scholar of the First Sin version regularly goes on sale on the PS4 for $10, which is a steal. Presumably it gets similar deals on other platforms.


DARK SOULS III
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The latest entry in the series and presumably the final game, Dark Souls III features the most updated design and by far the greatest sum of content. Released on PS4, X-Box One, and PC, it continues to enjoy a notable playerbase thanks in part to frequent sales, but also just how replayable this one is. Seriously, the number of ways you can construct and kit out your character is staggering. Quality of life is high, the visuals are easily the best in the series thanks to this one being the only true "current-gen" entry (Bloodborne notwithstanding), and boss design is excellent. Combat is faster-paced than previous entries (while slower than Bloodborne), which is a boon to some and a turn-off to others. The story completes, though really you need both DLC packs (Ashes of Ariandel and The Ringed City) to see it to the full conclusion. Fortunately both DLCs are excellent, and the complete version goes on regular sales. Personally I think it's the most accessible title in the series in terms of the play experience, but if you choose to start here, you'll have to accept that you won't really have a clue what's going on, and you'll miss a lot of the easter eggs and nods to the rich series history.


FASHION SOULS
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The real Dark Souls starts here...


So, come share your battle tales! Regale us with your hilarious boss failures, your vexing invasion stories, and your clever build ideas. Souls fans love hearing a play-by-play of newcomers to the series, so let us hear how the experience goes for you.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular

    Centrism is just the cowardly way to be a bigot w/o being explicit about it.
    American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
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  • 3clipse3clipse I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Hurrah!

    I'm starting my first real playthrough of DS2 since I've really only played 3. Just about to leave Majula. Whee!

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    So we're like a month and a half away from the remaster release date right? Has anything changed regarding Steam users getting any sort of discount for owning the original?

    Centrism is just the cowardly way to be a bigot w/o being explicit about it.
    American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    i don't think so

    the remaster is also looking like one of those kinda half-assed ones so ehhhh

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Enjoy!

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    i don't think so

    the remaster is also looking like one of those kinda half-assed ones so ehhhh
    Half-assed in what way? Like they just lazily did higher textures and that's it?

    Centrism is just the cowardly way to be a bigot w/o being explicit about it.
    American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    from what i've seen of it, the lighting seems off and doesn't really play well with the textures

    a lot of the new and improved stuff also looks out of place and inconsistent

    i'm still reserving my judgement atm but i'm less confident that i'll actually get it

  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Tbh; portable Souls is all I need. I will miss my fancy ninja flip movesets (Farron GS!) but it’s gonna be fun doing it again.

    Come to think of it, I never did the DLC...

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  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Ahh...Reunited Souls thread. its good that everyone in the family is home and safe again. *Knocks on door* "Hey guys, its Bloodborn. I heard you were having a party?"

    Everyone be quiet...turn out the porchlight!

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    i don't think so

    the remaster is also looking like one of those kinda half-assed ones so ehhhh
    Half-assed in what way? Like they just lazily did higher textures and that's it?

    The video I saw the other day of some guy playing the game (he went straight to Queelag after arriving at firelink) looked no different than the PC version.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    Gyral wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    i don't think so

    the remaster is also looking like one of those kinda half-assed ones so ehhhh
    Half-assed in what way? Like they just lazily did higher textures and that's it?

    The video I saw the other day of some guy playing the game (he went straight to Queelag after arriving at firelink) looked no different than the PC version.
    Are you sure they weren't playing the PC version?

    Centrism is just the cowardly way to be a bigot w/o being explicit about it.
    American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Gyral wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    i don't think so

    the remaster is also looking like one of those kinda half-assed ones so ehhhh
    Half-assed in what way? Like they just lazily did higher textures and that's it?

    The video I saw the other day of some guy playing the game (he went straight to Queelag after arriving at firelink) looked no different than the PC version.

    right, but he did that to see if the performance of the area was improved over the original version, which it was

    calling this a remaster is a poor choice, because that language is drawing people to think it's something more than a re-release with some small changes under the hood and a different lighting engine and less jank

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Gyral wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    i don't think so

    the remaster is also looking like one of those kinda half-assed ones so ehhhh
    Half-assed in what way? Like they just lazily did higher textures and that's it?

    The video I saw the other day of some guy playing the game (he went straight to Queelag after arriving at firelink) looked no different than the PC version.
    Are you sure they weren't playing the PC version?

    Probably was a PC with the Switch controllers hooked up to it.

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  • The SauceThe Sauce Alysandria Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    Ahh...Reunited Souls thread. its good that everyone in the family is home and safe again. *Knocks on door* "Hey guys, its Bloodborn. I heard you were having a party?"

    Everyone be quiet...turn out the porchlight!
    If people want to post here about Bloodborne, I'm good with it! Its thread is only at 60-something pages though, and has generally been pretty active, so I didn't want to go declare their thread as dead and supplanted. But if it's, like, the same people, or Bloodborne players would prefer to post in here (I haven't looked in that thread since like 2100 posts ago) then yeah by all means unite all 5 games.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    As excited as I am for the prospect of playing a populated DS1 with a few neat QOL changes, I am really disappointed at the visual quality of the remaster so far.

    The updated lighting engine leaves areas far brighter than they were ever intended to be seen, and in turn leads to both a lot of washed-out colors. It also shows off the game's lacking texture-work that was obfuscated by the hard shadows and dim, atmospheric lighting. The fact that the textures seemingly aren't retouched beyond being blown up to 4k in resolution doesn't help much either.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    HOORAH

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    oh man...the angels and the BS in the Dreg Heap was way worse than the Demon Prince boss. I was actually surprised it was that easy.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo Registered User regular
    The silly thread divide is gone!?

    Well done everyone

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  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    Think i'm going to do a Lady Facepunch run of Dark souls 2.
    Turn on Champions get enough souls for the cat ring and drop down and farm the Rat tomb invasion guy who never stops spawning for Awestones to get the Facepunch ring asap.

  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII Registered User regular
    I still have to beat ringed city. I kinda stopped because the frame rates in the DLC were so bad for me.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I'm eagerly anticipating owning the entire series on the same console. That will be neat.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    Yeah, DS Remastered on Switch is neat, but I want that full collector's edition on PS4 baby. Ready to empty my wallet on it.

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  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    I'm not entirely sure yet if I'll get Dark Souls Remastered on the Switch.

    I'm not even that scared off by the supposedly really high difficulty (just a little scared off), but mostly I'm wondering if the game can sustain its dark fantasy atmosphere throughout of if that atmosphere gets lost a bit while you're fighting a bunch of dudes on your way to the next bonfire.

  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    I'm not entirely sure yet if I'll get Dark Souls Remastered on the Switch.

    I'm not even that scared off by the supposedly really high difficulty (just a little scared off), but mostly I'm wondering if the game can sustain its dark fantasy atmosphere throughout of if that atmosphere gets lost a bit while you're fighting a bunch of dudes on your way to the next bonfire.

    It took me two years to appreciate Dark Souls. Which involved hacking, turning online play off and being glued to wikis and guides. Then later completing DS2 and coming back to DS1 without the need to hack.

    Hacking is not an option this time around, but if the wikis and youtubes on how to play a Dark Souls game help, do that.

    EDIT - They didn't even bother prettying up the HUD. For shame.

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  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    I love Dark Souls. But i wont be getting it for the switch. All too many thrown switches that way I'm sure.

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    I love Dark Souls. But i wont be getting it for the switch. All too many thrown switches that way I'm sure.

    That's why there's joy-cons, so only they get thrown :rotate:

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  • KlatuKlatu Registered User regular
    I'll be grabbing the DS1 remaster in May, if only so I can get my missus to play that one as well. She loves BB and DS3, can't really get in to 2 though. I told her 2 is all about focusing on it and forgetting what you know from 3. 2 is fine once you get in to the grove and play it rather than gripe about what it should/could be like.

    She's looking forward to big poise for big boys in DS1 though. She wants to experience stone armor and greatshield brick walling things. Who can blame her, it's fun for what it is, and it's never been the same since DS1.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    DS1's level design is absolutely marvelous.

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  • Mr FuzzbuttMr Fuzzbutt Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    DS1's level design is absolutely marvelous.

    Its world design is absolutely marvellous, but the design of individual levels is atrocious in a lot of places.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    DS1's level design is absolutely marvelous.

    Its world design is absolutely marvellous, but the design of individual levels is atrocious in a lot of places.

    I remember way more environments from DS 1 than 2 or 3

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  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    Years and Years later i finally discover that there is a Bonfire in the Valley of drakes.

  • AistanAistan Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    DS1's level design is absolutely marvelous.

    Its world design is absolutely marvellous, but the design of individual levels is atrocious in a lot of places.

    I remember way more environments from DS 1 than 2 or 3

    It's because of the no/limited fast travel, forcing you to actually go back through these areas multiple times to get to the various npcs and merchants scattered around. 2/Bloodborne/3 you only have to clear each area once.

    I don't think i'd want to go back to that kind of design but it was amazing at the time.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    DS1's level design is absolutely marvelous.

    Its world design is absolutely marvellous, but the design of individual levels is atrocious in a lot of places.
    It's fascinating how woven-together Dark Souls 1 is. But there are certainly places that needed some love, either be it aesthetically or gameplay-wise. DS3 had some very cool aesthetic throughout but the whole "the game is just one long chain" thing was boring as shit.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    DLC update: oh man the Ringed City is rough! I think I’m having more trouble clearing this place compared to the Fishing Village. At least I finally opened the elevator shortcut.

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  • IceBurnerIceBurner It's cold and there are penguins.Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Zunde wrote: »
    Years and Years later i finally discover that there is a Bonfire in the Valley of drakes.
    I don't recall there being one. Are you speaking of the one in the passage from Darkroot Basin?

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  • 3clipse3clipse I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    DLC update: oh man the Ringed City is rough! I think I’m having more trouble clearing this place compared to the Fishing Village. At least I finally opened the elevator shortcut.

    Ringed City's probably the hardest (and coolest) area in the game. It gives you those sweet sweet +3 rings even on regular NG though, so there's that.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    It looked great until I hit the swamp area. In that sense, I think Ashes might outdo Ringed City. I mean, Snowy Anything always looks badass. Well, I’m not done yet so we’ll see.

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  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    IceBurner wrote: »
    Zunde wrote: »
    Years and Years later i finally discover that there is a Bonfire in the Valley of drakes.
    I don't recall there being one. Are you speaking of the one in the passage from Darkroot Basin?

    Yeah i had no idea that this area even existed until a drake chased me into the ruined tower and i discovered the elevator going up.

  • AistanAistan Registered User regular
    Millwood and Corvian Knights are too numerous and never fun to fight, Gravetender is barely worth talking about, Friede is one of the worst fights in all of Dark Souls (because she is a Bloodborne boss), the areas are too small with too little variety.

    Ringed City wins just by virtue of not being any of that.

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Aistan wrote: »
    Millwood and Corvian Knights are too numerous and never fun to fight, Gravetender is barely worth talking about, Friede is one of the worst fights in all of Dark Souls (because she is a Bloodborne boss), the areas are too small with too little variety.

    Ringed City wins just by virtue of not being any of that.

    I will happily take six Friedes before a Midir.

    "Hey, you know what'd be fun? If we made a boss that has a gorillion HP, is heavily resistant to most non-pure-physical damage to hose magic-users even harder, boring attack patterns that kill you in one hit if you miss the dodge, and is big enough that the camera can't show its tells half the time while you're attacking it!".

    Ugh. That was easily the most annoying fight I remember in a Souls game. And yes, I'm including Bed of Chaos here. At least there was a way to go "screw this" and cheese Bed of Chaos.

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