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[Pokemon Go] Ultra Beast mode

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Oh, are you into remote raiding? It's easy to get Uxie, Mespit and Azelf when they're in raids.

    I didn't think they were in raids anymore? How does that work?

    I largely haven't been raiding much since I came back, but I have done a little (mostly solo but also Nihilego)

    Older legendaries rotate back in every so often - there have been two rounds of the above three.

    There are plenty of apps that can connect you with people worldwide for raids; it's how I'm grinding Groudon candy. I personally like Poke Genie - it's free and has a bunch of other tools like a type effectiveness calculator.

    Are those types of apps even remotely safe?

    I know Poke Genie is. You don't use any kind of login information for them - you just get matched with people and swap friend codes with them as needed, and the only identifier you give/receive is your player name. So there's no risk unless the Pokemon Go friend system itself gets compromised.

    I still remember Poke Genie from back when it was an IV checker (before the game had that feature :P) I'm glad they actually added that in eventually (like a real one, not like "this pokemon is ok, try to figure out what that means")

    Edit: Random side note, wonder if they'll ever give out extra copies of any of the newer mythicals. I kind of.. umm... transferred Victini and Melodetta to Home without taking pictures of them so now their special research is forever stuck open... oops.. It's too bad they can't be traded - I'd just grind them out on my alt account that I haven't touched in years :P (except recently to finally clear out those damn travel day quests for trading pokemon from far away)

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Oh, are you into remote raiding? It's easy to get Uxie, Mespit and Azelf when they're in raids.

    I didn't think they were in raids anymore? How does that work?

    I largely haven't been raiding much since I came back, but I have done a little (mostly solo but also Nihilego)

    Older legendaries rotate back in every so often - there have been two rounds of the above three.

    There are plenty of apps that can connect you with people worldwide for raids; it's how I'm grinding Groudon candy. I personally like Poke Genie - it's free and has a bunch of other tools like a type effectiveness calculator.

    Are those types of apps even remotely safe?

    I know Poke Genie is. You don't use any kind of login information for them - you just get matched with people and swap friend codes with them as needed, and the only identifier you give/receive is your player name. So there's no risk unless the Pokemon Go friend system itself gets compromised.

    ...what about all the personal data they scrape when you install the app?

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Oh, are you into remote raiding? It's easy to get Uxie, Mespit and Azelf when they're in raids.

    I didn't think they were in raids anymore? How does that work?

    I largely haven't been raiding much since I came back, but I have done a little (mostly solo but also Nihilego)

    Older legendaries rotate back in every so often - there have been two rounds of the above three.

    There are plenty of apps that can connect you with people worldwide for raids; it's how I'm grinding Groudon candy. I personally like Poke Genie - it's free and has a bunch of other tools like a type effectiveness calculator.

    Are those types of apps even remotely safe?

    I know Poke Genie is. You don't use any kind of login information for them - you just get matched with people and swap friend codes with them as needed, and the only identifier you give/receive is your player name. So there's no risk unless the Pokemon Go friend system itself gets compromised.

    ...what about all the personal data they scrape when you install the app?

    I mean, assuming they do that, that's no worse than every other app? At least it doesn't compromise your Pogo info.

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  • GrobianGrobian What's on sale? Pliers!Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Wife and I will do raids sometimes. Just depends on what's available. Especially now that remote raid passes aren't free weekly, we gotta be more scrutinizing. Gonna probably go for Kyogre and Groudon, then hold off until Mewtwo because we don't have any of those.

    Of course we're not nearly high enough level to handle any of them so we raid with her brother and his wife, who basically carry but it's all good

    Kyogre is a Pokedex entry for me. It's a tank, don't get me wrong, but his SP Atk buildup is freaking slow. I prefer Gyrados since it's much easier to max, and easier to get candy for so you can teach it a third move.

    While candy availability for legendaries is a problem, a level 25 kyogre (so just a fresh caught weather boosted one) is as good as a level 35 gyarados. a level 28 kyogre is better than a level 40 gary. A third move is almost never necessary for raids. (as a water attacker kyogre wants waterfall/surf and gary wants waterfall/hydro pump)

    /edit: Kingler and all the water starters with hydro cannon also handily beat gary. It's sadly not that great anymore because it got stuck with weaker moves.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited June 2022


    The extra five hours of raids *after* the Community Day is weird tho. Like, I kinda wonder who that is for? Cuz if it's for the people who can't participate in the day proper due to the time, feels like an FU to them as they have to coordinate raids when everyone else who did the day is going to be totally disinterested in raiding the thing they just caught 300 of (especially with them locking remote raid passes out and the lack of community day bonuses like increased shiny chance).

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Woo! Got all the regular candy I need to max level my Tyranitar. Now I just need ... 131 Candy XL

    ... and about 180,000 more stardust :/

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Warlock82 wrote: »


    The extra five hours of raids *after* the Community Day is weird tho. Like, I kinda wonder who that is for? Cuz if it's for the people who can't participate in the day proper due to the time, feels like an FU to them as they have to coordinate raids when everyone else who did the day is going to be totally disinterested in raiding the thing they just caught 300 of (especially with them locking remote raid passes out and the lack of community day bonuses like increased shiny chance).

    Ah, Warlock. Always finding a negative spin. :P

    Much more likely it's for the small minority of people who are annoyed community days got shortened from six hours to three.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

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  • GrobianGrobian What's on sale? Pliers!Registered User regular
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    That is true for like 3 mon. You won't use kyogre or Gary to attack a gym.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Grobian wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    That is true for like 3 mon. You won't use kyogre or Gary to attack a gym.

    I use Gyarados all the time to clear gyms. But he's one of like 4 max level pokes and my second best, and I will usually use Dragonite mainly because Dragonite is higher CP.

    Why would nobody ever use either of those pokes to attack a gym?

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    Given that it's not that hard to kick people out of the gym with regular STAB pokes 99 percent of the time, and the remaining one percent you have to get really lucky that you just happen to have the exact right combination for the situation, it's really not worth the dust investment.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Grobian wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    That is true for like 3 mon. You won't use kyogre or Gary to attack a gym.

    I've used both to sweep gyms, plenty of times.
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    Given that it's not that hard to kick people out of the gym with regular STAB pokes 99 percent of the time, and the remaining one percent you have to get really lucky that you just happen to have the exact right combination for the situation, it's really not worth the dust investment.

    Gary and Charizard's third moves are very inexpensive, dust wise. Candy wise too. I consider both essentially no cost in the long run.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Grobian wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    That is true for like 3 mon. You won't use kyogre or Gary to attack a gym.

    I've used both to sweep gyms, plenty of times.
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    Given that it's not that hard to kick people out of the gym with regular STAB pokes 99 percent of the time, and the remaining one percent you have to get really lucky that you just happen to have the exact right combination for the situation, it's really not worth the dust investment.

    Gary and Charizard's third moves are very inexpensive, dust wise. Candy wise too. I consider both essentially no cost in the long run.

    Gary maybe, but there's lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard (unless you plan on constantly having him Mega'd). You may as well give Blaziken a second move instead since it's great at burning through Rocket leader shields.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Grobian wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    That is true for like 3 mon. You won't use kyogre or Gary to attack a gym.

    I've used both to sweep gyms, plenty of times.
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, third moves are pretty much useless outside of PvP. Maybe for flexibility in fighting Rocket leaders.

    Whaaaaat? A third move is awesome if you like to dojo storm usurpers out of gyms.

    Given that it's not that hard to kick people out of the gym with regular STAB pokes 99 percent of the time, and the remaining one percent you have to get really lucky that you just happen to have the exact right combination for the situation, it's really not worth the dust investment.

    Gary and Charizard's third moves are very inexpensive, dust wise. Candy wise too. I consider both essentially no cost in the long run.

    Gary maybe, but there's lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard (unless you plan on constantly having him Mega'd). You may as well give Blaziken a second move instead since it's great at burning through Rocket leader shields.

    I did give Blaze a second move. And used an Elite TM for blast burn. Charizard is one of my personal favorites, though, so I give mine extra attention. I'll do the same with Sharpedo when I finally catch a 4* version.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Here's the Fire type pokes, sorted by max CP, according to gameinfo (link - https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/list/best-pokemon-by-cp )
    7	Blacephalon	3,297	122	315	148	142
    8	Chandelure	3,268	132	271	182	155
    9	Victini		3,265	187	210	210	225
    10	Magmortar	3,132	153	247	172	181
    11	Darmanitan	3,105	193	263	114	233
    12	Flareon		3,029	139	246	179	163
    13	Arcanine	3,029	173	227	166	207
    14	Cinderace	3,018	160	238	163	190
    15	Incineroar	2,996	180	214	175	216
    16	Centiskorch	2,990	187	220	158	225
    17	Emboar		2,982	200	235	127	242
    18	Typhlosion	2,889	157	223	173	186
    19	Charizard	2,889	157	223	173	186
    20	Blaziken	2,848	160	240	141	190
    21	Infernape	2,683	154	222	151	183
    22	Houndoom	2,635	153	224	144	181
    23	Salazzle	2,479	143	228	130	169
    24	Rapidash	2,461	139	207	162	163
    25	Heatmor		2,395	166	204	129	19
    

    The top 6 are all legendary/mythical. And Charizard and Blaziken both have Fire Spin/Blast Burn as a top recommended attack pair.

    So I'm curious where you're getting your info @cloudeagle (genuinely curious, I'd love a better/more accurate source)

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  • GrobianGrobian What's on sale? Pliers!Registered User regular
    For gyms I almost exclusively use Machamp with counter + dp + rock throw. The other option there would be Lucario with counter + aura sphere + shadow ball.

    I think you need a good fighting attacker for the blisseys. The third move is then just coverage for any mons fighting is bad against.

    Obviously if you don't have blisseys in your gyms then use whatever.



    As for best attackers, CP is a poor (but not completely useless) indicator. I still like gamepress for pogo info but for their attacking spreadsheet and tier list you need to sift through all the megas and shadows. https://gamepress.gg/pokemongo/best-attackers-type

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Here's the Fire type pokes, sorted by max CP, according to gameinfo (link - https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/list/best-pokemon-by-cp )
    7	Blacephalon	3,297	122	315	148	142
    8	Chandelure	3,268	132	271	182	155
    9	Victini		3,265	187	210	210	225
    10	Magmortar	3,132	153	247	172	181
    11	Darmanitan	3,105	193	263	114	233
    12	Flareon		3,029	139	246	179	163
    13	Arcanine	3,029	173	227	166	207
    14	Cinderace	3,018	160	238	163	190
    15	Incineroar	2,996	180	214	175	216
    16	Centiskorch	2,990	187	220	158	225
    17	Emboar		2,982	200	235	127	242
    18	Typhlosion	2,889	157	223	173	186
    19	Charizard	2,889	157	223	173	186
    20	Blaziken	2,848	160	240	141	190
    21	Infernape	2,683	154	222	151	183
    22	Houndoom	2,635	153	224	144	181
    23	Salazzle	2,479	143	228	130	169
    24	Rapidash	2,461	139	207	162	163
    25	Heatmor		2,395	166	204	129	19
    

    The top 6 are all legendary/mythical. And Charizard and Blaziken both have Fire Spin/Blast Burn as a top recommended attack pair.

    So I'm curious where you're getting your info @cloudeagle (genuinely curious, I'd love a better/more accurate source)

    No Heatran? Something isn't right with that list.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Tox wrote: »
    Here's the Fire type pokes, sorted by max CP, according to gameinfo (link - https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/list/best-pokemon-by-cp )
    7	Blacephalon	3,297	122	315	148	142
    8	Chandelure	3,268	132	271	182	155
    9	Victini		3,265	187	210	210	225
    10	Magmortar	3,132	153	247	172	181
    11	Darmanitan	3,105	193	263	114	233
    12	Flareon		3,029	139	246	179	163
    13	Arcanine	3,029	173	227	166	207
    14	Cinderace	3,018	160	238	163	190
    15	Incineroar	2,996	180	214	175	216
    16	Centiskorch	2,990	187	220	158	225
    17	Emboar		2,982	200	235	127	242
    18	Typhlosion	2,889	157	223	173	186
    19	Charizard	2,889	157	223	173	186
    20	Blaziken	2,848	160	240	141	190
    21	Infernape	2,683	154	222	151	183
    22	Houndoom	2,635	153	224	144	181
    23	Salazzle	2,479	143	228	130	169
    24	Rapidash	2,461	139	207	162	163
    25	Heatmor		2,395	166	204	129	19
    

    The top 6 are all legendary/mythical. And Charizard and Blaziken both have Fire Spin/Blast Burn as a top recommended attack pair.

    So I'm curious where you're getting your info @cloudeagle (genuinely curious, I'd love a better/more accurate source)

    I mean, right there? Charizard's waaaaay down the list and below a bunch of non-legendaries. (Chandelure, Magmortar, Darmantian, and Flareon are legendary/mythical?)

    But yes, I like gamepress's list too, since it take stuff into consideration besides CP. And on their list of best fire, normal Charizard doesn't even chart.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Here's the Fire type pokes, sorted by max CP, according to gameinfo (link - https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/list/best-pokemon-by-cp )
    7	Blacephalon	3,297	122	315	148	142
    8	Chandelure	3,268	132	271	182	155
    9	Victini		3,265	187	210	210	225
    10	Magmortar	3,132	153	247	172	181
    11	Darmanitan	3,105	193	263	114	233
    12	Flareon		3,029	139	246	179	163
    13	Arcanine	3,029	173	227	166	207
    14	Cinderace	3,018	160	238	163	190
    15	Incineroar	2,996	180	214	175	216
    16	Centiskorch	2,990	187	220	158	225
    17	Emboar		2,982	200	235	127	242
    18	Typhlosion	2,889	157	223	173	186
    19	Charizard	2,889	157	223	173	186
    20	Blaziken	2,848	160	240	141	190
    21	Infernape	2,683	154	222	151	183
    22	Houndoom	2,635	153	224	144	181
    23	Salazzle	2,479	143	228	130	169
    24	Rapidash	2,461	139	207	162	163
    25	Heatmor		2,395	166	204	129	19
    

    The top 6 are all legendary/mythical. And Charizard and Blaziken both have Fire Spin/Blast Burn as a top recommended attack pair.

    So I'm curious where you're getting your info @cloudeagle (genuinely curious, I'd love a better/more accurate source)

    I mean, right there? Charizard's waaaaay down the list and below a bunch of non-legendaries. (Chandelure, Magmortar, Darmantian, and Flareon are legendary/mythical?)

    But yes, I like gamepress's list too, since it take stuff into consideration besides CP. And on their list of best fire, normal Charizard doesn't even chart.

    I'm already covered with Heatran, Reshiram, and Chandelure. Charizard is still my boy, though. Damn shame Moltres isn't rated higher, reminds me of Rodan.

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    The extra five hours of raids *after* the Community Day is weird tho. Like, I kinda wonder who that is for? Cuz if it's for the people who can't participate in the day proper due to the time, feels like an FU to them as they have to coordinate raids when everyone else who did the day is going to be totally disinterested in raiding the thing they just caught 300 of (especially with them locking remote raid passes out and the lack of community day bonuses like increased shiny chance).

    Ah, Warlock. Always finding a negative spin. :P

    Much more likely it's for the small minority of people who are annoyed community days got shortened from six hours to three.

    That's what I'm saying though. I feel like it's just kind of a shit way to help those people. It's honestly whatever to me, I'm not doing those raids. But I do feel bad for the people who have to work/etc for the main community day hours and have to somehow then organize 4* raids locally if they want to participate in this. I'd be a different story if remote raiding was allowed here.

    I dunno, I just don't see why they don't keep the community days longer instead. What is the harm of that? Is Niantic really worried about someone getting 30 shinies instead of 15? :P

    Edit: Oh wow, and in particular there's also this:


    (although I'm a bit confused by "it's way harder" with "you can do it with three trainers"... those seem off.. either way, why are you making this even harder on people?)

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited June 2022
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Here's the Fire type pokes, sorted by max CP, according to gameinfo (link - https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/list/best-pokemon-by-cp )
    7	Blacephalon	3,297	122	315	148	142
    8	Chandelure	3,268	132	271	182	155
    9	Victini		3,265	187	210	210	225
    10	Magmortar	3,132	153	247	172	181
    11	Darmanitan	3,105	193	263	114	233
    12	Flareon		3,029	139	246	179	163
    13	Arcanine	3,029	173	227	166	207
    14	Cinderace	3,018	160	238	163	190
    15	Incineroar	2,996	180	214	175	216
    16	Centiskorch	2,990	187	220	158	225
    17	Emboar		2,982	200	235	127	242
    18	Typhlosion	2,889	157	223	173	186
    19	Charizard	2,889	157	223	173	186
    20	Blaziken	2,848	160	240	141	190
    21	Infernape	2,683	154	222	151	183
    22	Houndoom	2,635	153	224	144	181
    23	Salazzle	2,479	143	228	130	169
    24	Rapidash	2,461	139	207	162	163
    25	Heatmor		2,395	166	204	129	19
    

    The top 6 are all legendary/mythical. And Charizard and Blaziken both have Fire Spin/Blast Burn as a top recommended attack pair.

    So I'm curious where you're getting your info cloudeagle (genuinely curious, I'd love a better/more accurate source)

    I mean, right there? Charizard's waaaaay down the list and below a bunch of non-legendaries. (Chandelure, Magmortar, Darmantian, and Flareon are legendary/mythical?)

    But yes, I like gamepress's list too, since it take stuff into consideration besides CP. And on their list of best fire, normal Charizard doesn't even chart.

    The list I copied started at number 7; Blacephelon is the 7th best fire type in the game. The top 6 are all legendary/mythical, therefore I did not bother including them.

    But also, to your point, the difference between Blaziken and Charizard is like 2?% of Charizard's CP. "Might as well just use Blaziken" feels like you're just kinda bashing on what appear on paper to be perfectly good pokes.

    Out of 800 pokes Charizard is ranked #146, and out of ~60 Fire pokes it's 19 (and, again, at least 6 of those are Very Hard to get, versus Charizard being a potential guarantee).

    I dunno, I guess it felt like you were really hating on Charizard. And, like, I just don't see it outside of arguing in favor of just Always Be Legendary.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    By "locked out" do we mean paywalled behind Coins or do we mean remote raid passes won't work for the raid?

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  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

    The game seems pretty friendly to the player base with free gifts and its not like you have to be close to gyms to participate in them.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

    The game seems pretty friendly to the player base with free gifts and its not like you have to be close to gyms to participate in them.

    They've done some sketchy stuff during the pandemic, which sort of poisoned the well for a lot of us. They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt, and at times it's felt intentional. To me it feels like they have a very narrow idea of what Go should be, and to hell with the player base if they don't like it.

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Tox wrote: »
    By "locked out" do we mean paywalled behind Coins or do we mean remote raid passes won't work for the raid?

    Remote passes will not work at all. Which, to be fair, with the way it's designed to have stuff spawn around the gym, remote passes don't make sense anyways (not that they couldn't have gone with a different approach tho).
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

    And yeah, this is my constant frustration with Niantic. It's super super obvious this is what they always want to push. I'm still honestly shocked people got them to reverse the rollback on a lot of the covid improvements (like further spin distance, etc). It's a big reason why I've quit this game twice now (and also a big reason I've decided this time to go pretty casual so this shit doesn't stress me out so much).

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    By "locked out" do we mean paywalled behind Coins or do we mean remote raid passes won't work for the raid?

    Remote passes will not work at all. Which, to be fair, with the way it's designed to have stuff spawn around the gym, remote passes don't make sense anyways (not that they couldn't have gone with a different approach tho).
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

    And yeah, this is my constant frustration with Niantic. It's super super obvious this is what they always want to push. I'm still honestly shocked people got them to reverse the rollback on a lot of the covid improvements (like further spin distance, etc). It's a big reason why I've quit this game twice now (and also a big reason I've decided this time to go pretty casual so this shit doesn't stress me out so much).

    Same. I was a "whale" for a bit, then the distance and price shenanigans stuff made me quit for a bit. Now I'm back with a much more casual attitude.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Lol and now I have a perfect Shadow Camerupt.

    lol

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Here's the Fire type pokes, sorted by max CP, according to gameinfo (link - https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/list/best-pokemon-by-cp )
    7	Blacephalon	3,297	122	315	148	142
    8	Chandelure	3,268	132	271	182	155
    9	Victini		3,265	187	210	210	225
    10	Magmortar	3,132	153	247	172	181
    11	Darmanitan	3,105	193	263	114	233
    12	Flareon		3,029	139	246	179	163
    13	Arcanine	3,029	173	227	166	207
    14	Cinderace	3,018	160	238	163	190
    15	Incineroar	2,996	180	214	175	216
    16	Centiskorch	2,990	187	220	158	225
    17	Emboar		2,982	200	235	127	242
    18	Typhlosion	2,889	157	223	173	186
    19	Charizard	2,889	157	223	173	186
    20	Blaziken	2,848	160	240	141	190
    21	Infernape	2,683	154	222	151	183
    22	Houndoom	2,635	153	224	144	181
    23	Salazzle	2,479	143	228	130	169
    24	Rapidash	2,461	139	207	162	163
    25	Heatmor		2,395	166	204	129	19
    

    The top 6 are all legendary/mythical. And Charizard and Blaziken both have Fire Spin/Blast Burn as a top recommended attack pair.

    So I'm curious where you're getting your info cloudeagle (genuinely curious, I'd love a better/more accurate source)

    I mean, right there? Charizard's waaaaay down the list and below a bunch of non-legendaries. (Chandelure, Magmortar, Darmantian, and Flareon are legendary/mythical?)

    But yes, I like gamepress's list too, since it take stuff into consideration besides CP. And on their list of best fire, normal Charizard doesn't even chart.

    The list I copied started at number 7; Blacephelon is the 7th best fire type in the game. The top 6 are all legendary/mythical, therefore I did not bother including them.

    But also, to your point, the difference between Blaziken and Charizard is like 2?% of Charizard's CP. "Might as well just use Blaziken" feels like you're just kinda bashing on what appear on paper to be perfectly good pokes.

    Out of 800 pokes Charizard is ranked #146, and out of ~60 Fire pokes it's 19 (and, again, at least 6 of those are Very Hard to get, versus Charizard being a potential guarantee).

    I dunno, I guess it felt like you were really hating on Charizard. And, like, I just don't see it outside of arguing in favor of just Always Be Legendary.

    ...I'm not arguing that? I was just saying that there are better options than Charizard? I mean, if you like Charizard, go nuts. He's fine! But if you're min-maxing, there are better options. And more to the point, there's really not much of a return on investment in giving him a second move unless you're big into Megaing or PvP.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    By "locked out" do we mean paywalled behind Coins or do we mean remote raid passes won't work for the raid?

    Remote passes will not work at all. Which, to be fair, with the way it's designed to have stuff spawn around the gym, remote passes don't make sense anyways (not that they couldn't have gone with a different approach tho).
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

    And yeah, this is my constant frustration with Niantic. It's super super obvious this is what they always want to push. I'm still honestly shocked people got them to reverse the rollback on a lot of the covid improvements (like further spin distance, etc). It's a big reason why I've quit this game twice now (and also a big reason I've decided this time to go pretty casual so this shit doesn't stress me out so much).

    This is you not stressed? :P

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Charizard is still the best. But it's nice to have options.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    I'm so baffled by this thread.

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    Is Entei not a very good fire guy? Probably not since he's my highest level perfect pokemon.

  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    By "locked out" do we mean paywalled behind Coins or do we mean remote raid passes won't work for the raid?

    Remote passes will not work at all. Which, to be fair, with the way it's designed to have stuff spawn around the gym, remote passes don't make sense anyways (not that they couldn't have gone with a different approach tho).
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Because they really want people to come together. Which....yeah, probably still not the time to push that BS. Covid isn't dominating the news, but it is still out there.

    I really don't get why they give zero fucks when it comes to their customer base.

    And yeah, this is my constant frustration with Niantic. It's super super obvious this is what they always want to push. I'm still honestly shocked people got them to reverse the rollback on a lot of the covid improvements (like further spin distance, etc). It's a big reason why I've quit this game twice now (and also a big reason I've decided this time to go pretty casual so this shit doesn't stress me out so much).

    This is you not stressed? :P

    (I tease because I love)

    Hahaha.. believe me, even if I still complain, I've been enjoying myself. I think avoiding raiding in general has helped so much because that was the thing that used to stress me out the most. And since I've missed two gens now it's like, there isn't this huge pressure to make sure I have a complete pokedex because that task is largely impossible ATM (eventually maybe, but it will require luck and more events I'm sure). So there's less of that "Oh, there's a super rare spawn and I missed it" stress too (and less "I have to know what every damn nest in the city is" too). Just taking everything super casual has been so much better (well, as casual as my completionist ass will let me... I still wanna go hard on events and stuff when I can :3).

    Honestly too, it surprised me but with the way the internet has been acting, I was shocked to be one of the few people who didn't hate the shit out of Go Fest 2022. Day 2 could have definitely been better (and that Pokemon running immediately bug was annoying) but I enjoyed myself both days and didn't *really* have any major complaints like apparently everyone else. Shiny rate seemed fine to me? *shrug* I dunno. Might have helped that most biomes had at least one pokemon that was either new for me or I barely had any candy for and I needed to evolve it still. Perk of quitting for 2-3 years I guess :3

    Edit: Oh, random side note, hoping I don't get screwed over for July's community day but assume I probably will be. Going to be out of town for like the last week of July so I guess fingers crossed it's either really stupid or it's earlier in the month :3

    Edit 2: Wait, we know the date and it's the 17th??? Woo, I'm good then :3

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Is Entei not a very good fire guy? Probably not since he's my highest level perfect pokemon.

    #5 Fire type, #46 overall.

    Entei is Legendary so I try not to count those because they're leas common unless you play a bunch and/or are high level

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I'm so baffled by this thread.

    I think it's because you're overthinking it.

    Or we are.

    Either way. It's most likely because of differences in experiences and expectations.

    Not everyone is min/max'ing, for instance. But even if you don't min/max, doesn't mean you don't wanna be slightly more optimal

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I'm so baffled by this thread.

    I think it's because you're overthinking it.

    Or we are.

    Either way. It's most likely because of differences in experiences and expectations.

    Not everyone is min/max'ing, for instance. But even if you don't min/max, doesn't mean you don't wanna be slightly more optimal

    I'm just confused as to why we had the whole argument over why it's bad to say there's lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard when you personally have lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard and showed them off.

    Yes I know many of them are legendary but I wasn't even talking about legendaries. I was mainly saying giving Blaziken a third move gives more of a return on investment than giving Char one.

    I'm so tired.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I'm so baffled by this thread.

    I think it's because you're overthinking it.

    Or we are.

    Either way. It's most likely because of differences in experiences and expectations.

    Not everyone is min/max'ing, for instance. But even if you don't min/max, doesn't mean you don't wanna be slightly more optimal

    I'm just confused as to why we had the whole argument over why it's bad to say there's lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard when you personally have lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard and showed them off.

    Yes I know many of them are legendary but I wasn't even talking about legendaries. I was mainly saying giving Blaziken a third move gives more of a return on investment than giving Char one.

    I'm so tired.

    Overthinking. And tired.

    On both you and me

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I'm so baffled by this thread.

    I think it's because you're overthinking it.

    Or we are.

    Either way. It's most likely because of differences in experiences and expectations.

    Not everyone is min/max'ing, for instance. But even if you don't min/max, doesn't mean you don't wanna be slightly more optimal

    I'm just confused as to why we had the whole argument over why it's bad to say there's lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard when you personally have lots of fire Pokemon that are better than Charizard and showed them off.

    Yes I know many of them are legendary but I wasn't even talking about legendaries. I was mainly saying giving Blaziken a third move gives more of a return on investment than giving Char one.

    I'm so tired.

    Its because Charizard is awesome. That's it. Charizard belongs on the Mt Rushmore of Pokémon.

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