Twilight Imperium 4e - Game 4: Round 7 - Action Phase / Game End

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    I think that is a risky, risky rider play but no sabotage

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    How so?
    No Sab

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  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    It's been about 24 hours, are we good to begin voting? Any other action cards to play first?

  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I mean yeah

    Trade Rider on Letnev
    After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, gain 5 trade goods.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Played on the assumption that upstream ACs are in queue or passed

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  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    No sabotages. No cards to play.

  • MrBlarneyMrBlarney Registered User regular
    Mm hmm. Once all players have made Sabotage claims, we will proceed with voting.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    No sabotage

  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Leaning towards abstaining on this one.

  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I mean, sure if you don't want a VP.
    Potentially everyone could abstain and the Agenda could fizzle?
    Although maybe then Naalu tie breaks..

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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    no sabs

  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Naalu would tie break.

    The thing is, I can acquire this VP later - so if the other players voting decide they'd rather have it themselves, or give it to someone else to kill the riders, I'm ok with that. I'm in no position to win any time soon, so as long as it doesn't go to someone who will I'm perfectly fine with someone keeping it warm for me.

    Please don't give it to Naalu though - I would like to work out withdrawing from their space a bit, not be compelled to attack them again.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I really really think the Agenda should go to the Letnev anyway, just because they seem most well-placed to protect themselves against the VP leaders.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Yep, no cards or anything from me

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  • PredaPreda Registered User regular
    No Sab
    @Ketar to vote

  • MrBlarneyMrBlarney Registered User regular
    Ketar has conditional orders to Abstain on the agenda.

    Vote is on @MrBody.

    Voting Order
    The Barony of Letnev (Ketar): Abstain
    The Ghosts of Creuss (MrBody): Up to 8 votes
    The Winnu (discrider): Trade Rider - Letnev
    Sardakk N'orr (Preda): Up to 4 votes
    The Mentak Coalition (Hedgethorn): Construction Rider - Letnev
    The Naalu Collective (Mojo_Jojo): Up to 10 votes; Speaker

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    So with two riders on this for Letnev and it not mattering at all who it goes to let's all be sensible with any voting . Although I imagine this will just be wall to wall abstaintions

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I'm not sure how you get to it not mattering; I'd be very concerned about an imminent victory if it lands on Preda/Hedgethorn.

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    Ketar
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    It doesn't push anybody to ten and it is the easiest point to transfer between people. It's irrelevant at this stage in the game

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited May 2018
    People can just AC retreat to preserve it.
    And then win.
    I don't see how giving a VP to the leaders is irrelevant, unless winning is no longer relevant.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    In any case, I'm happier with this rider play over my previously queued "Hedgethorn gets hammered" play from the last Agenda.
    Seemed like he would buy his way out of that one.

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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    abstain

    @discrider

  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I can't vote.
    @Preda

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  • PredaPreda Registered User regular
    1 vote for Winnu.

    @Mojo_Jojo

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Abstain

    Winnu take it

    @MrBlarney for agenda 2

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Well I certainly don't want it.

    Confusing Legal Text
    When you are elected as the outcome of an agenda: Choose 1 player. That player is the elected player instead.
    Picking Letnev

    @Mojo_Jojo @Preda @MrBody @Hedgethorn @Ketar

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  • PredaPreda Registered User regular
    Dirty... No sabotage.

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Does that mean the riders activate or not?

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Well the predicted player was elected, so I don't see why not.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited May 2018
    I suppose we can @MrBlarney though.

    The internet gives a rule reference that 'When' acts before 'After' so the Riders only look at the outcome after Confusing Legal Text changes it. But there's no after on the Rider.

    I prefer:
    1.13 If the timing of an ability uses the word “when,” the ability’s
    effect occurs at the moment of the described timing event.
    • Such an ability typically modifies or replaces the timing event in some way.

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  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    discrider, how much would a sabotage cost on...wait...

  • MrBlarneyMrBlarney Registered User regular
    Rider cards check for an "outcome of this agenda", which is also the trigger condition to be able to play Confusing Legal Text. I'm going to rule that if Confusing Legal Text goes through, the outcome of the agenda is therefore changed, and the now correctly-predicted Rider cards will have their effects fulfilled.

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  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2018
    We find ourselves rooting for a Sabotage play so that we don't get a much needed victory point, to prevent the Winnu from successfully avoiding being given a victory point while forcing it upon us.

    The aristocrats! Er...TI4!!

    Ketar on
    Preda
  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    So I assume @Hedgethorn isn't going to sabotage himself, but we still need sabotage answers from @Mojo_Jojo and @MrBody

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  • MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    no sabs

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    No sab

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  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    @MrBlarney for admin and the next agenda then.

  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    Place space dock at Tar'Mann.

  • MrBlarneyMrBlarney Registered User regular
    I think all of the workers at the galactic capitol are deeply confused by the recent political shenanigans.

    The second agenda is revealed from the top of the deck:
    Miscount Disclosed (Directive)
    Elect Law: Vote on the elected law as if it were just revealed from the top of the deck.

    (Valid targets are Terraforming Initiative, Minister of Commerce, and Shard of the Throne)

    Voting Order
    The Barony of Letnev (Ketar): Up to 12 votes
    The Ghosts of Creuss (MrBody): Up to 8 votes
    The Winnu (discrider): Up to 17 votes
    Sardakk N'orr (Preda): Up to 3 votes
    The Mentak Coalition (Hedgethorn): Up to 8 votes
    The Naalu Collective (Mojo_Jojo): Up to 10 votes; Speaker

    At least 24 hours will be allocated for discussion, deals, transactions, and Action Card declarations, unless all players collectively call for voting to start before then.

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