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[Extra Credits] As channels grow older, their voices will change...
Imaynotbehere4long
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I searched the forum and found them mentioned a few times in other threads, but I didn't find a dedicated thread about the channel. So, what are your thoughts on the group and what they do? For me, I have disagreed with some of their opinions, but generally speaking, they've brought up interesting topics or at least points of view that I wouldn't have thought about otherwise.
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Which was basically, "no, you don't know what you want, and we can't help how people take what we say."
In other words, completely ignoring the actual substance of the criticism.
Extra History is undeniably the best fucking thing ever and I adore it and everyone should watch it. I only became aware of it when they ran their anniversary episodes for D-Day last year, so there was a ton of watching back of content. Now it's a goddamn torture to wait week to week for the newest episode, although the past month or two they've been doing two episodes a week it seems. The best part is that they follow series up with their "Lies" episodes, which is fact checking themselves but also fact checking the audience does for them and acknowledging it. Some people say they shouldn't knowingly do things like use modern flags vs previous era flags, but the explanation is that it makes it easier to associate / pick up what's being laid down. And I agree with that explanation. "This place here? Long ago, this happened." The flag designs are extra information not quite vital to the nature of what's being taught (with as much brevity as possible).
I wanted to watch Extra Science more but my roomie stopped me from diving deep on my own. And then we've never gotten around to it. HARUMPH. I mean, they weren't defending loot boxes - rather they were framing the corporate think behind loot boxes since said corporations weren't doing it. But there's an actual thread for that isn't there?
Also, for the past few months, I had been watching their Twitch stream...but then they fired Will Overgard and I found out that it was mostly his commentary I was watching the streams for (and while I like Dan Jones fine enough, I'm not overly fond of his interactions with the chat...James, though...he tends to get too focused on the games being played (which is fine) and ignores chat interactions (which is also fine...but it does take something away from the Twitch experience that I like: community interaction)).
Huh? I get not liking their gaming content but what wrong with their sci-fi and historical series?
And those loot box videos were god awful. Jim's counter videos clowned them.
Their loot box videos were pretty horrible, but otherwise they tend to do reasonably entertaining stuff.
Extra sci fi is especially good.
Essentially, if they are that dishonest, they are not informative.
Ehhh. . . Some times people can be good at one thing and awful at another. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a brilliant science educator who puts his foot in his mouth almost every time he tries to get etymological. As long as they’re not spreading hate, I treat them as a fun trivia show and a good place to start studying new historical event. Like I had never heard of the South Seas Bubble or the history behind “she sells seashells by the seashore” if not for them.
Let me put it another way: they spent one month using shitty arguments to defend exploiting addicts, because the industry makes more money exploiting addicts than making games.
And while they were doing that, they kept insisting that people were objecting to the industry making money, not to the industry exploiting addicts.
If that's their relationship with truth, then the information content of their videos is zero. Might as well not watch them.
"Palatable mush" is not a sharp criticism. To me, most of the content I have seen is easy to digest but only kind of interesting. Thus "palatable mush."
Even if I agreed with you assessment of those videos, using that to extrapolate out that everything they have said, and will ever say, on any given topic has no value is sheer nonsense.
Still, breaking things down to be as understandable as possible for the layman / "casual" gamer has value. "Gamers" kinda get up their own ass collectively about understanding / knowing things about the industry and often use that shit to reinforce gatekeeper mentality.
Liars are not trustworthy. I fail to see how that's nonsense. I guess it needs more study.
"This ship was named after that guy. Did they have a plan?"
(Bismarck always has a plan)
Funny, I just got done watching that video, then I came here and saw you posted it.
There does seem to be a consensus that the anti-homeless measures are bad, but I did notice a comment that said the anti-skateboard measures can be justified since skateboarding in public places is potentially harmful to others who use the space for its intended purpose.
I'm kind of surprised they didn't at least include a comment on how games use hostile design to shape user behavior.
This is really cool.
Edit: video does not have their traditional preview, so I'll explain. James hired people to make an annotated version of Lord Dunsany's A Dreamer's Tale cause he couldn't find a good version himself.
Honestly, tying it back to something as trivial as games would have just diluted things.
I also want to say that they were going to have one more video about loot boxes, but RL issues canned it, and instead they ended up talking about what was going to be in that video on their twitch page.
In any case, I can (almost) forgive them for anything they say in their main series if they still keep making awesome Extra History and Extra Sci-fi episodes.
Maybe. It's still worth addressing, even if the videos are not connected. Hostile design is pretty common in games that want to stop the player from making progress or
I certainly don't mind them taking advantage of their audience to spread good info. This was one of their better tangents. Others have been... less graceful.
Edit: Link- https://youtube.com/watch?v=YPytwp5ll9g
Still this is a cool series.
Which is ridiculous, because in this video:
They end it by literally saying Fight the Power, even if it seems impossible.
Lip service to a popular ideal is pretty easy to give, and is basically a reflex.
Which makes that book thing quite impressive in contrast.