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R. Lee Ermey is dead fuck everything
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Guy wasn't even combat arms and helped proliferate a highly toxic style of leadership in the military. Fuck him.
edit: I know he was in Vietnam, but with an aviation support unit.
One of my teachers who served during the 80s described the military getting relaxed with that bullshit. I have no idea if they continued to this day on rolling that shit back.
But at minimum, yeah a lot of toxic assholes look at Fullmetal Jacket and go "FULL SPEED AHEAD"
I'd give him a pass for people getting the wrong message from FMJ, if you know he didn't go on and do whole tv series basically as that character talking about how fucking cool guns are.
I literally spent near on six years trying to be a professional soldier, pre and post 9/11, in an environment of people trying to emulate movie stereotypes. If they weren't trying to be gunny, they were trying to be Sgt. Barnes from Platoon, because of course young men with their first taste of authority idolize and emulate the villain.
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I literally spent near on six years trying to be a professional soldier, pre and post 9/11, in an environment of people trying to emulate movie stereotypes. If they weren't trying to be gunny, they were trying to be Sgt. Barnes from Platoon, because of course young men with their first taste of authority idolize and emulate the villain.
As I read through this post I was expecting you to say people were trying to emulate Adam Baldwin's typecast douchebag from Full Metal Jacket.
There's no shortage of bad examples to emulate in war movies. And beyond that, I don't think I really need to add anything else, I think I got my views/point across pretty solidly here.
Ok I found this on my desktop and I sort of need to share it, just because of how insane it is.
Tried to have us assault a near vertical slope of a mountain covered in ice and snow. I nearly went off a cliff edge after my boots, desert boots, lost traction on ice and I went sliding down the slope.
Ok I found this on my desktop and I sort of need to share it, just because of how insane it is.
Tried to have us assault a near vertical slope of a mountain covered in ice and snow. I nearly went off a cliff edge after my boots, desert boots, lost traction on ice and I went sliding down the slope.
God damn.
Re: The Gunny. I have respect for the man. While I don't particularly care for some of the characters he has played (especially Gunny Hartmann) or some of the stereotypes that those characters have made, he's made a lasting impact on many communities. Semper fi, devil dog.
The Gunny character was always intended to be just the kind of person you get in your first weeks of Basic. Which is intentionally putting you under additional stress to test your response. After that the affectation isn't useful and is actively harmful. If you never allow the soldier to be built up, they're just going to break permanently.
I ran into some real dickheads who thought the Gunny character was a great way to go through an entire career and watched them ruin some good people.
I don't blame Ermey for it, I blame commanders and leadership who don't train their troops and leaders properly. If they don't get proper training then they revert to mass media affectations. Hell, there should be a mandatory leadership course debunking military leadership stereotypes. God knows most of the good ones don't end up in movies. They're either overly macho or Kurtz.
I also don't blame Ermey for the character being commonly used. It's a real crowd pleaser for people who fetishize the military but either didn't make it through basic or never tried. Even without Ermey the character of the drill sergeant became something people saw as "manly military at its best", mostly because they have no idea how a real military is run.
Anyways, long story short, the Gunny character has a place but only in a very tiny circumstance in one place in a career.
It's sad that he gets known for this one part when outside of the Gunny character he was apparently something of a sweet guy, if overly fetishistic of guns sometimes.
I don't know, he leaned hard into the Gunny character, which was basically a softer version of the asshole drill instructor? from fmj, and made it his public persona, so in my eyes, his other roles are not nearly as definitive
I can recall instructors in the Canadian Forces who very very clearly wished to engage in Sgt. Hartmann erotic(?) roleplay and one guy in particular who looked like Ross from Friends who dropped an f-bomb on us and was summarily destroyed for it
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I can recall instructors in the Canadian Forces who very very clearly wished to engage in Sgt. Hartmann erotic(?) roleplay and one guy in particular who looked like Ross from Friends who dropped an f-bomb on us and was summarily destroyed for it
That's even funnier because Schwimmer also played an Ermey style instructor in Band of Brothers.
I can recall instructors in the Canadian Forces who very very clearly wished to engage in Sgt. Hartmann erotic(?) roleplay and one guy in particular who looked like Ross from Friends who dropped an f-bomb on us and was summarily destroyed for it
That's even funnier because Schwimmer also played an Ermey style instructor in Band of Brothers.
Nooo, Sgt Hartmann was a psycho, but he was competent. Captain Sobel was an asshole AND a fucking idiot.
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edit: I know he was in Vietnam, but with an aviation support unit.
But at minimum, yeah a lot of toxic assholes look at Fullmetal Jacket and go "FULL SPEED AHEAD"
Yeah, but so many I know didn't get, and became toxic assholes who run around quoting his awful diatribes
As usual people miss the point of those kind of movies. See also Starship Troopers and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMxqkrgvBes
If people want to be like a character that abused a mentally handicapped man till he snaps and murders them the I don’t even fucking know
Given people’s attitudes towards the mentally handicapped in general, I’d say yes, they totally do.
Tried to have us assault a near vertical slope of a mountain covered in ice and snow. I nearly went off a cliff edge after my boots, desert boots, lost traction on ice and I went sliding down the slope.
God damn.
Re: The Gunny. I have respect for the man. While I don't particularly care for some of the characters he has played (especially Gunny Hartmann) or some of the stereotypes that those characters have made, he's made a lasting impact on many communities. Semper fi, devil dog.
Rest in peace you beautiful, shouting man.
Also Rest In Peace, House’s dad from House.
I guess he played a good Jerk Dad
definitely go watch Saving Silverman
I ran into some real dickheads who thought the Gunny character was a great way to go through an entire career and watched them ruin some good people.
I don't blame Ermey for it, I blame commanders and leadership who don't train their troops and leaders properly. If they don't get proper training then they revert to mass media affectations. Hell, there should be a mandatory leadership course debunking military leadership stereotypes. God knows most of the good ones don't end up in movies. They're either overly macho or Kurtz.
I also don't blame Ermey for the character being commonly used. It's a real crowd pleaser for people who fetishize the military but either didn't make it through basic or never tried. Even without Ermey the character of the drill sergeant became something people saw as "manly military at its best", mostly because they have no idea how a real military is run.
Anyways, long story short, the Gunny character has a place but only in a very tiny circumstance in one place in a career.
It's sad that he gets known for this one part when outside of the Gunny character he was apparently something of a sweet guy, if overly fetishistic of guns sometimes.
His wisdom got me through some hard times
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That's even funnier because Schwimmer also played an Ermey style instructor in Band of Brothers.
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Nooo, Sgt Hartmann was a psycho, but he was competent. Captain Sobel was an asshole AND a fucking idiot.