Honestly after playing a few games of kill team it feels like the opposite of 40k. The “horde armies” so guard, Orks and so on are garbage because it’s way too easy to just have cascading morale check failures where a bunch of guys die because you have a lot of them and they’re easy to kill, then you fail morale on the others, who then die because they are sitting ducks, and loop forever.
It’s at the point where you have an “elite” choice and “filler” choice the filler is a trap. Cultists, poxwalkers, Tzaangors and the like are basically just giving away morale for nothing. I’d rather just not spend the points if I have the option.
I love that about it. It feels great to see a hoard of cultist scum across the tiny board from my 6-man team and think, "Yeah, this is going to be great. I just need to smash those seven heretics and the rest will crumble as the Reivers introduce them to real terror."
Edit: added quote due to totp
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So is one box of Kabalite Warriors acceptable for a Kill-Team squad and should I probably pick up a Wych box before too long?
I'd say that you're going to want some wyches. Probably more than warriors, honestly.
I ran a DE kill team this past weekend (6 warriors, 5 wyches) and the wyches really out-shined the warriors by a large margin. They get more special rules (combat drugs, where every result is actually a boon to you!), are reliably safe in melee (4++ in the fight phase), have pistols that can shoot in close combat and goddamn grenades (which the warriors are lacking), and with the cover mechanics they stand a reasonable chance of actually getting into combat. The only thing I ever forgot to do was shoot my Hekatrix's Phantasm Grenade Launcher, which may or may not have been super helpful in a couple of games, but I doubt would've swung any losing games back into my favor.
Warriors aren't bad though, and can form a solid core of shooting units for your team. My splinter cannon demolitions guys did some really heavy lifting for me in my events, and a shredder heavy specialist can really draw some fire away from your advancing wyches (for some reason, people get real nervous about a super fast AP -1 flamer hitting their guys). My splinter riles mostly just sat in objectives and were largely ineffective, though.
The confetti rifles do seem to be less useful in Kill Team.
That Dark Lance though... that thing... I hate it so much.
I think three warriors, (one dark lance, one blaster, and then a leader with a blaster pistol or whatever it's called) and then the rest as wyches (I think you can squeeze 7 or so in with an agonizer on the hekatrix).
The confetti rifles do seem to be less useful in Kill Team.
That Dark Lance though... that thing... I hate it so much.
I think three warriors, (one dark lance, one blaster, and then a leader with a blaster pistol or whatever it's called) and then the rest as wyches (I think you can squeeze 7 or so in with an agonizer on the hekatrix).
Honestly, a dark lance sniper doesn't sound terrible, and it will absolutely delete whatever it hits. I prefer the splinter cannon, it's a really nice all-comers option. I've found a blaster to almost always be worse than a shredder. I'd even suggest skipping the sybarite, make him a chump warrior, and just stick a blast pistol on a hekatrix with the agonizer.
Thinking about what heavy weapon to take for the Asuryani. The Shuriken cannon is the only one that benefits from battle focus, but I feel the range of the missile launcher basically nullifies the advantage and it has that versatility. The other weapons seem second choice compared to these two being heavy andhaving only average range, so the long range modifier could come into play more often.
The confetti rifles do seem to be less useful in Kill Team.
That Dark Lance though... that thing... I hate it so much.
I think three warriors, (one dark lance, one blaster, and then a leader with a blaster pistol or whatever it's called) and then the rest as wyches (I think you can squeeze 7 or so in with an agonizer on the hekatrix).
Honestly, a dark lance sniper doesn't sound terrible, and it will absolutely delete whatever it hits. I prefer the splinter cannon, it's a really nice all-comers option. I've found a blaster to almost always be worse than a shredder. I'd even suggest skipping the sybarite, make him a chump warrior, and just stick a blast pistol on a hekatrix with the agonizer.
Yeah personally I was planning on going Dark Lance and Shredder for my two gunners
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The confetti rifles do seem to be less useful in Kill Team.
That Dark Lance though... that thing... I hate it so much.
I think three warriors, (one dark lance, one blaster, and then a leader with a blaster pistol or whatever it's called) and then the rest as wyches (I think you can squeeze 7 or so in with an agonizer on the hekatrix).
Honestly, a dark lance sniper doesn't sound terrible, and it will absolutely delete whatever it hits. I prefer the splinter cannon, it's a really nice all-comers option. I've found a blaster to almost always be worse than a shredder. I'd even suggest skipping the sybarite, make him a chump warrior, and just stick a blast pistol on a hekatrix with the agonizer.
Yeah personally I was planning on going Dark Lance and Shredder for my two gunners
I'm going to try out a dark lance sniper/chump warrior comms duo and see how that works out. If it doesn't work, then I'm bringing back that sweet, sweet shredder splinter cannon.
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Alright, I will go with the Predators and grab Vindicators in a few months. Always wanted to use one or the other. Does the kill shot box with 3 Predator tanks come with all the weapon options? The description makes it seem like it does not.
I finished magnetizing my two Venerable Dreadnoughts. It went really well. Stuck the magnets in the green stuff and let it sit. Really strong hold. The axes look goofy as fuck. Just need to buy the other gun arms for the Dreads off ebay and I can use each of the 3 guns they came with.
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The confetti rifles do seem to be less useful in Kill Team.
That Dark Lance though... that thing... I hate it so much.
I think three warriors, (one dark lance, one blaster, and then a leader with a blaster pistol or whatever it's called) and then the rest as wyches (I think you can squeeze 7 or so in with an agonizer on the hekatrix).
Honestly, a dark lance sniper doesn't sound terrible, and it will absolutely delete whatever it hits. I prefer the splinter cannon, it's a really nice all-comers option. I've found a blaster to almost always be worse than a shredder. I'd even suggest skipping the sybarite, make him a chump warrior, and just stick a blast pistol on a hekatrix with the agonizer.
Yeah personally I was planning on going Dark Lance and Shredder for my two gunners
I'm going to try out a dark lance sniper/chump warrior comms duo and see how that works out. If it doesn't work, then I'm bringing back that sweet, sweet shredder.
You can bring both can't you? Or do you mean the splinter cannon?
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I meant splinter cannon.
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Redemptors suck to build.
Edit: They really suck. This is overly complicated for no reason.
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really impressed withe intercessor sprue. thought wolfing them up into proper sons of fenris would be hard be these have been very fun and easy kitbashes.
i wanted every model to have their bolt rifle and an offhand weapon - like, an knife or a hand axe - and for the most part the kit accommodates with arms that can handle the poses.
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These size differences are kind of nuts.
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really impressed withe intercessor sprue. thought wolfing them up into proper sons of fenris would be hard be these have been very fun and easy kitbashes.
i wanted every model to have their bolt rifle and an offhand weapon - like, an knife or a hand axe - and for the most part the kit accommodates with arms that can handle the poses.
Building out for my DW they are in a lot of different postes and such. It was pretty good.
Though DW marines aren't squatting marines either so they don't feel tiny verse primaris.
really impressed withe intercessor sprue. thought wolfing them up into proper sons of fenris would be hard be these have been very fun and easy kitbashes.
i wanted every model to have their bolt rifle and an offhand weapon - like, an knife or a hand axe - and for the most part the kit accommodates with arms that can handle the poses.
Building out for my DW they are in a lot of different postes and such. It was pretty good.
Though DW marines aren't squatting marines either so they don't feel tiny verse primaris.
Space marines have the greatest glutes of all time.
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So I have two of the HQ from the Tooth and Claw box and I kind of wanted to turn one into a pound puppy with that jetpack/thunder hammer thing going around but the size difference is so noticeable. He will be a lot bigger than the other HQs.
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So I have two of the HQ from the Tooth and Claw box and I kind of wanted to turn one into a pound puppy with that jetpack/thunder hammer thing going around but the size difference is so noticeable. He will be a lot bigger than the other HQs.
Not a WH40K example, but Jorge doesn't make any of the others look like weenies, so it should be fine.
Noble Team from Halo: Reach. From left to right
WO Jun A266, Noble Three - sniper, long range patrol, the thoughtful one
Lt. [REDACTED] B312, Noble Six [player character, not given a canon name] - jack of all trades, ace fighter pilot, the silent one
Cdr. Carter A259, Noble One - leader, dropship pilot, the responsible one
(in back) CWO Jorge 052, Noble Five - Machine Gunner, the gentle giant
(in front) Lt. Catherine B320, Noble Two - hacker, scout, the cynical one
WO Emile A239, Noble Four - CQC expert, Breacher, the aggressive one
Finally cracked open the kill team box and started building the terrain in it...
...man that's a lot of pieces
I'm assuming you're fairly along in the process, but just in case, there are a few typos in the instructions where one piece is given the number for a different one.
Finally cracked open the kill team box and started building the terrain in it...
...man that's a lot of pieces
I'm assuming you're fairly along in the process, but just in case, there are a few typos in the instructions where one piece is given the number for a different one.
Ok... I though that was the case. I started just building by the photos and hoping. Luckily the pieces are fairly cookie-cutter in most places
There are also some odd choices in places, where they tell you to use two quarter-pieces when there’s no reason not to use a half-piece, and so on.
Oh. I just asssumed there wasn't enough half pieces. Didn't look.
Edit. Just got Gangs of Commorragh at one of local FLGS for about $54. A least 1/3 the price of the models. And bikes and green goblin skimmers are the part of DE I like the most.
So KT is fun. I knew the dimensions of the playing field beforehand, but when you actually see it, it's so tiny!
Played two games against space marines. Primaris seem good in this. Ignoring flesh wounds is really nice.
Won a game and lost a game. The loss was mostly because I forgot about the turn sequence when I positioned my guys for one of the turns. Also having the initiative for all of the turns really sucks.
So KT is fun. I knew the dimensions of the playing field beforehand, but when you actually see it, it's so tiny!
Played two games against space marines. Primaris seem good in this. Ignoring flesh wounds is really nice.
Won a game and lost a game. The loss was mostly because I forgot about the turn sequence when I positioned my guys for one of the turns. Also having the initiative for all of the turns really sucks.
Just to make sure:
Marines only ignore the first flesh wound and only ignore it for purposes of accuracy.
You roll off for initiative each turn, though sometimes you “win” all of the rolls.
(I kind of wish either first player alternated, or that you alternated moving pieces like the other phases of the game.)
Ah, I thought they ignore the first fleshwound for all purposes.
And with the first fleshwound ignored rule we had the funny situation of sniper rolls a 6-> mortal wound -> flesh wound -> no wound. He then got hit by a fusion gun anyway. THe two Storm guardians were probably the most effective models in both games. Battle Focus and decisive shot are a good combination.
Finally cracked open the kill team box and started building the terrain in it...
...man that's a lot of pieces
I'm assuming you're fairly along in the process, but just in case, there are a few typos in the instructions where one piece is given the number for a different one.
Ok... I though that was the case. I started just building by the photos and hoping. Luckily the pieces are fairly cookie-cutter in most places
Yeah, I had the same problem with the DW box. But the Rogue Trader box really should have the KT rules since it's otherwise good for two people to get started with.
The promo shots of the rogue trader box I've seen make it look like it comes with mini codexes for the two teams plus a mini rogue trader lore/scenario/rulebook.... None of the shots make it look like it comes with either core rule book.
The promo shots of the rogue trader box I've seen make it look like it comes with mini codexes for the two teams plus a mini rogue trader lore/scenario/rulebook.... None of the shots make it look like it comes with either core rule book.
Fortuitous i was accidentally sent the rule book
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Started on the pound puppy. Preliminary setup. The shoulders are kind of awkward but whatever. It is gonna be a nightmare to paint.
Edit: I think he is wolfy enough
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I love that about it. It feels great to see a hoard of cultist scum across the tiny board from my 6-man team and think, "Yeah, this is going to be great. I just need to smash those seven heretics and the rest will crumble as the Reivers introduce them to real terror."
Edit: added quote due to totp
I'd say that you're going to want some wyches. Probably more than warriors, honestly.
I ran a DE kill team this past weekend (6 warriors, 5 wyches) and the wyches really out-shined the warriors by a large margin. They get more special rules (combat drugs, where every result is actually a boon to you!), are reliably safe in melee (4++ in the fight phase), have pistols that can shoot in close combat and goddamn grenades (which the warriors are lacking), and with the cover mechanics they stand a reasonable chance of actually getting into combat. The only thing I ever forgot to do was shoot my Hekatrix's Phantasm Grenade Launcher, which may or may not have been super helpful in a couple of games, but I doubt would've swung any losing games back into my favor.
Warriors aren't bad though, and can form a solid core of shooting units for your team. My splinter cannon demolitions guys did some really heavy lifting for me in my events, and a shredder heavy specialist can really draw some fire away from your advancing wyches (for some reason, people get real nervous about a super fast AP -1 flamer hitting their guys). My splinter riles mostly just sat in objectives and were largely ineffective, though.
That Dark Lance though... that thing... I hate it so much.
I think three warriors, (one dark lance, one blaster, and then a leader with a blaster pistol or whatever it's called) and then the rest as wyches (I think you can squeeze 7 or so in with an agonizer on the hekatrix).
Honestly, a dark lance sniper doesn't sound terrible, and it will absolutely delete whatever it hits. I prefer the splinter cannon, it's a really nice all-comers option. I've found a blaster to almost always be worse than a shredder. I'd even suggest skipping the sybarite, make him a chump warrior, and just stick a blast pistol on a hekatrix with the agonizer.
My guard list doesn’t have a single hotshot lasgun or regular lasgun in the entire thing.
Geared out Guard works fine.
Yeah personally I was planning on going Dark Lance and Shredder for my two gunners
I'm going to try out a dark lance sniper/chump warrior comms duo and see how that works out. If it doesn't work, then I'm bringing back that sweet, sweet shredder splinter cannon.
I finished magnetizing my two Venerable Dreadnoughts. It went really well. Stuck the magnets in the green stuff and let it sit. Really strong hold. The axes look goofy as fuck. Just need to buy the other gun arms for the Dreads off ebay and I can use each of the 3 guns they came with.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
You can bring both can't you? Or do you mean the splinter cannon?
Edit: They really suck. This is overly complicated for no reason.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
i wanted every model to have their bolt rifle and an offhand weapon - like, an knife or a hand axe - and for the most part the kit accommodates with arms that can handle the poses.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Building out for my DW they are in a lot of different postes and such. It was pretty good.
Though DW marines aren't squatting marines either so they don't feel tiny verse primaris.
Space marines have the greatest glutes of all time.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
...man that's a lot of pieces
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Not a WH40K example, but Jorge doesn't make any of the others look like weenies, so it should be fine.
I'm assuming you're fairly along in the process, but just in case, there are a few typos in the instructions where one piece is given the number for a different one.
Ok... I though that was the case. I started just building by the photos and hoping. Luckily the pieces are fairly cookie-cutter in most places
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Oh. I just asssumed there wasn't enough half pieces. Didn't look.
Edit. Just got Gangs of Commorragh at one of local FLGS for about $54. A least 1/3 the price of the models. And bikes and green goblin skimmers are the part of DE I like the most.
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Island. Being on fire.
Played two games against space marines. Primaris seem good in this. Ignoring flesh wounds is really nice.
Won a game and lost a game. The loss was mostly because I forgot about the turn sequence when I positioned my guys for one of the turns. Also having the initiative for all of the turns really sucks.
Just to make sure:
Marines only ignore the first flesh wound and only ignore it for purposes of accuracy.
You roll off for initiative each turn, though sometimes you “win” all of the rolls.
(I kind of wish either first player alternated, or that you alternated moving pieces like the other phases of the game.)
And with the first fleshwound ignored rule we had the funny situation of sniper rolls a 6-> mortal wound -> flesh wound -> no wound. He then got hit by a fusion gun anyway. THe two Storm guardians were probably the most effective models in both games. Battle Focus and decisive shot are a good combination.
The magic of the STC.
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Fortuitous i was accidentally sent the rule book
Edit: I think he is wolfy enough
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Kill Team
Some Orc Racing game?
Is Rogue Trader different from Kill Team?
Titan game
Ork racing isn't out till orktober
They also have necromunda
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