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[Canadian Politics] No, we're never going to stop talking about pot legalization.
I wouldn't mind the news reporting on these things if I thought they'd be clear enough that it's bad and people shouldn't do it.
The news has a habit of not calling shit out as horrible and now you've shown this community to 5 million people.
How many articles have we seen about poor Trump voters that just want their voice heard? The nice guy white supremacist that lives next door?
If there are going to be reporting it has to be clear that these people are gross.
None that i can think of. What kind of fucked up news are you reading?
If people don't want to go super far back they can always just go to 2014 in Isla Vista, when the guy the current killer and thousands of his co-believers idolize launched his own attack, around the time the label "incel" started getting traction, at least among people who self-identified that way. I mean, it does go back a lot further than that, between serial killers in general and people like Lepine, but when the incel movement started taking up its sad, violent flag it does feel like a change in kind, not just degree.
Before that and the Gamergate lunacy around the same time, you couldn't really expect to find online communities with ten, twenty, forty thousand people largely united by their belief not only that women aren't really people, but that it's entirely appropriate for men to act on that assumption.
Limiting this sort of thing just to Canadian examples doesn't really make sense; the border's porous enough for people, but it's not there at all for ideas, and a lot of radicalization going on up here gets its inspiration from next door.
I wouldn't mind the news reporting on these things if I thought they'd be clear enough that it's bad and people shouldn't do it.
The news has a habit of not calling shit out as horrible and now you've shown this community to 5 million people.
How many articles have we seen about poor Trump voters that just want their voice heard? The nice guy white supremacist that lives next door?
If there are going to be reporting it has to be clear that these people are gross.
None that i can think of. What kind of fucked up news are you reading?
I still love that picture of the girl working phones for Trump with a blatantly obvious 88 tattoo on her hand, which the media gleefully paraded around saying "look how amazing it is that Trump is bringing out these first-time voters and getting them involved in the electoral process!"
@CanadianWolverine Please do not post massive chunks of an article from elsewhere. Post a couple of relevant excerpts and a link. If someone doesn’t want to read everything from the link, that’s not a reason to inline it all. Please trim your quote accordingly.
Uh, that is just a couple excerpts, I didn't inline the whole thing. Its a big article, one which I originally just grabbed a single paragraph from as it attempted to sum the whole thing up, which I sourced with a link so others could read up on the details if they wished, thought it worked as a decent TL;DR...
...only to have the whole thing dismissed condescendingly as a conspiracy theory.
Like, this is some catch 22 shit, damned if I do keep it short and sweet, damned if I don't because who could be bothered to look at the article. Bah!
Which is ridiculously infuriating as the topic at hand discussed in detail in the link is very pertinent to Canadian Politics. Like, here are the Trudeau Liberals doing just what they condemned Harper for doing in the consultation process, the evidence is fully on display and ... "meh, conspiracy theory (agree agree agree)" is the response.
WTF.
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Wishing it was a jihadi attack is one of Canadian media's spicier takes.
"Why isn't the world just good vs evil? Why does it have to be so complicated? Can't we just find some witchhereticgypsyJewnegrohippieCommie Muslim to blame this on?"
Wishing it was a jihadi attack is one of Canadian media's spicier takes.
"Why isn't the world just good vs evil? Why does it have to be so complicated? Can't we just find some witchhereticgypsyJewnegrohippieCommie Muslim to blame this on?"
More to the point, this attack was fucking linked to a clear ideology. The incel community does have a pretty clear belief system that they're not exactly shy about expressing. Which makes the statement even worse, because she's not looking for order, she just wants to get her bigot on.
The problem for them is it is an ideology that reserves most of its ire for the left,for feminists, for minorities and women. And it's an ideology of young and mostly white angry men. And they would like us not to notice the overlap with their own views. In Australia, the right wing Murdoch media rag described the ideology as a "sex cult". Which is like, misleading at best, and at worst actively tries to evoke the idea of left wing sexual liberalism being responsible, instead of violent hatred of women (and most especially their sexual and individual liberation/autonomy)
Uh, that is just a couple excerpts, I didn't inline the whole thing. Its a big article, one which I originally just grabbed a single paragraph from as it attempted to sum the whole thing up, which I sourced with a link so others could read up on the details if they wished, thought it worked as a decent TL;DR...
...only to have the whole thing dismissed condescendingly as a conspiracy theory.
It was a "couple excerpts" that amounted to around ten paragraphs of text. I didn't say you posted the whole thing, but posting large chunks of someone else's content is a no-no for what I hope are obvious reasons. The willingness of other people to read your links is up to them. If they don't want to, or don't want to engage with them, you don't have to reply. If they're rude, please use the report button. That's what it's there for. We'd much rather you did that than get involved in increasingly waspish and angry back and forths.
The problem for them is it is an ideology that reserves most of its ire for the left,for feminists, for minorities and women. And it's an ideology of young and mostly white angry men. And they would like us not to notice the overlap with their own views. In Australia, the right wing Murdoch media rag described the ideology as a "sex cult". Which is like, misleading at best, and at worst actively tries to evoke the idea of left wing sexual liberalism being responsible, instead of violent hatred of women (and most especially their sexual and individual liberation/autonomy)
One excuse I heard on the radio is that it's an ideology that is very loosely defined and unorganized, by contrast to say ISIS or Al Qaeda which have clear power structures and infrastructures. And in Canada the legal definition of "terrorism" requires a link to a clearly-defined terrorist organization. So handling this as a terrorist attack would be very difficult, and would open the prosecution to questioning and eventually even finding the guy innocent. Whereas handling this as multiple homicides is a pretty clear-cut case.
From a legal and law-enforcement standpoint it makes sense.
Doesn't mean the media can't call a spade a spade, of course. But what do you expect from those spineless cowards? They've probably struggling to find a way to relate this to Trudeau's India trip so they can get back to familiar grounds. Heaven forbid they should make serious, factual, informative news reports.
ISIS isn't all that well defined, especially at the outer reaches where western terrorists are located. I think a lot of ISIS attacks are more "inspired" by ISIS than planned centrally.
I'm not 100% sure I would consider incel to be an ideology (maybe a proto-ideology?), although I'm open to convincing on this point. But it's kind of splitting hairs either way.
I remember my history teacher in grade 11 (which was aaaaages ago so this had an impact on me), defined terrorism as 'violence or the threat of violence used in order to influence the way people think and act, or to get them to act in a way in which they otherwise wouldn't'. I find that to be pretty damn accurate, and this guy definitely fits.
As an aside, he also pointed to a police force as a form of institutional terrorism by this standard, so there was some criticism of the definition in there.
Is it just me, or does it increasingly feel like media just constantly makes our current problems worse? Like they deliberatly try to inflame public opinion just so they can have disasters to report on?
Is it just me, or does it increasingly feel like media just constantly makes our current problems worse? Like they deliberatly try to inflame public opinion just so they can have disasters to report on?
Why shouldn't public opinion be inflamed over serious problems? The problem is that we prefer a hollow comity over actually doing something about issues - this is what MLK was referring to when he discussed negative peace versus positive peace, the absence of conflict versus the presence of justice.
I'm not 100% sure I would consider incel to be an ideology (maybe a proto-ideology?), although I'm open to convincing on this point. But it's kind of splitting hairs either way.
I remember my history teacher in grade 11 (which was aaaaages ago so this had an impact on me), defined terrorism as 'violence or the threat of violence used in order to influence the way people think and act, or to get them to act in a way in which they otherwise wouldn't'. I find that to be pretty damn accurate, and this guy definitely fits.
As an aside, he also pointed to a police force as a form of institutional terrorism by this standard, so there was some criticism of the definition in there.
Probably not the right place for this, but that's how states work no? If you do not follow the (right) laws or fit into specific categories you will likely not be treated well.
Is it just me, or does it increasingly feel like media just constantly makes our current problems worse? Like they deliberatly try to inflame public opinion just so they can have disasters to report on?
You're probably not following the right sources then.
I actually live in the yonge and finch area. Thankfully, I was at work when it happened. One of my family members who also lives in the area literally couldn't get in his front door because it was blocked by some of the bodies and the police had it cordoned off (luckily, he was still able to get into his apartment building via the back door).
What he did was wrong and terrible of course, but I feel bad for the guy who did it. I read some interviews with his fellow students and it sounds like he has actual problems of some sort described as serious tics, socialization issues and so on. If they're true, I'm not sure how he ever would have functioned in the Forces or why he would have applied. Normally I probably wouldn't give those things much heed, but I have a cousin who is afflicted with some manner of autism - he has a really good job but I know all he really wants is to be in a relationship. I doubt it will ever happen, which is a shitty thing to say but that's the facts as I see 'em so there you go. It must be pretty terrible to go home alone everyday when you really don't want that and you see so many people around happily doing what you want, day after day.
When the dust settles on this, I hope people figure out how the fuck someone described by his fellow students as not being at all malicious wound up killing a whole bunch of people and how do you catch this sort of thing in the future? Some news reports suggest his mother had talked publicly about her sons struggles and how social services were helping him....so what happened there?
What he did was wrong and terrible of course, but I feel bad for the guy who did it. I read some interviews with his fellow students and it sounds like he has actual problems of some sort described as serious tics, socialization issues and so on. If they're true, I'm not sure how he ever would have functioned in the Forces or why he would have applied. Normally I probably wouldn't give those things much heed, but I have a cousin who is afflicted with some manner of autism - he has a really good job but I know all he really wants is to be in a relationship. I doubt it will ever happen, which is a shitty thing to say but that's the facts as I see 'em so there you go. It must be pretty terrible to go home alone everyday when you really don't want that and you see so many people around happily doing what you want, day after day.
When the dust settles on this, I hope people figure out how the fuck someone described by his fellow students as not being at all malicious wound up killing a whole bunch of people and how do you catch this sort of thing in the future? Some news reports suggest his mother had talked publicly about her sons struggles and how social services were helping him....so what happened there?
By talking to a bunch of people who turn that emotional distress into violent action via radicalisation.
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A while back someone was inquiring about Ontario's UBI pilot, and a slight update to that is that Ontario announced on April 24th that the initial enrollment phase was completed with full participation now active at the three test sites.
I live at Yonge and Sheppard and the van went by my place. I was at work but had a slight moment of panic because my mom and Wyborn were at home and both take afternoon strolls on the regular. We walk that route... pretty much every day? To get to the library, get groceries, a Dairy Queen, etc. It's really a bit strange remembering that this incident happened just a few days ago because everything is all back to normal around here
It is weird to read about these horrific attacks in various places around the world, and then to realize "oh, I could get to this location within half an hour on the TTC, wouldn't even need to transfer" with this latest one.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
So apparently the University of Alberta decided to give an honorary degree to David Suzuki, and ... well let's just say there were some reactions. http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/david-suzuki-s-honorary-degree-angers-albertans-1.4635995
Predictably, some Albertans and the newly formed UCP had an issue with this, because how dare a famed environmentalist say pro environmental things. There were even some donors ready to withdraw hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding because how dare we move away from a rapidly dwindling resource. On the other hand, the Alberta NDP ... also criticized the move.
Goddammit.
So apparently the University of Alberta decided to give an honorary degree to David Suzuki, and ... well let's just say there were some reactions. http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/david-suzuki-s-honorary-degree-angers-albertans-1.4635995
Predictably, some Albertans and the newly formed UCP had an issue with this, because how dare a famed environmentalist say pro environmental things. There were even some donors ready to withdraw hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding because how dare we move away from a rapidly dwindling resource. On the other hand, the Alberta NDP ... also criticized the move.
Goddammit.
It really begs the question, why did our provinces elect the Alberta NDP and NS Liberals if they're just going to act like Conservatives?
Alberta NDP I think have always been more conservative leaning than their other counterparts. I suspect most of this is a dog an pony show to garner more support from the right cause without those votes they are out next election.
The problem is that at this point, all of Alberta's economic eggs are in one basket marked "EXTRACTION INDUSTRY".
And Albertans are actively opposing any efforts to diversify their province's economy.
For that matter, they are actively trying to force the rest of the country to put all their eggs in the same basket.
Another public servant has confirmed that the Liberals put Kinder Morgan on the fast track to approval before they were finished the consultation process, which they campaigned on being better than when the Conservatives were in government:
“I guess that's something that wouldn't have fazed me at all if the Harper government was still in power, But given the change in government, seeing as how we were told to provide serious advice, I was rather shocked..."
And to head off slander of the National Observer as being equivalent news website with National Enquirer bat boy aficionados, here is what mediabiasfactcheck.com has to say about them: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-observer-canada/
Ha, Michael Enright does it again. Last week he played a song from Kendrick Lamar's DAMN for obvious reasons. Of course a bunch of cranky old people wrote in to tell him how awful it was to be subjected to that single piece of (really, pretty darn tame) rap. So he responded by replaying a segment he'd done a while back with an expert guest about the importance of rap music. It started with Public Enemy.
I'm really starting to like Enright.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/ohio-hovater-white-nationalist.html
This kind of shit was rampant for a while.
He's just a random crazy serial killer in the public consciousness.
Before that and the Gamergate lunacy around the same time, you couldn't really expect to find online communities with ten, twenty, forty thousand people largely united by their belief not only that women aren't really people, but that it's entirely appropriate for men to act on that assumption.
Limiting this sort of thing just to Canadian examples doesn't really make sense; the border's porous enough for people, but it's not there at all for ideas, and a lot of radicalization going on up here gets its inspiration from next door.
I still love that picture of the girl working phones for Trump with a blatantly obvious 88 tattoo on her hand, which the media gleefully paraded around saying "look how amazing it is that Trump is bringing out these first-time voters and getting them involved in the electoral process!"
Uh, that is just a couple excerpts, I didn't inline the whole thing. Its a big article, one which I originally just grabbed a single paragraph from as it attempted to sum the whole thing up, which I sourced with a link so others could read up on the details if they wished, thought it worked as a decent TL;DR...
...only to have the whole thing dismissed condescendingly as a conspiracy theory.
Like, this is some catch 22 shit, damned if I do keep it short and sweet, damned if I don't because who could be bothered to look at the article. Bah!
Which is ridiculously infuriating as the topic at hand discussed in detail in the link is very pertinent to Canadian Politics. Like, here are the Trudeau Liberals doing just what they condemned Harper for doing in the consultation process, the evidence is fully on display and ... "meh, conspiracy theory (agree agree agree)" is the response.
WTF.
Wishing it was a jihadi attack is one of Canadian media's spicier takes.
Not that they care. But still, good on him.
"Why isn't the world just good vs evil? Why does it have to be so complicated? Can't we just find some witch heretic gypsy Jew negro hippie Commie Muslim to blame this on?"
More to the point, this attack was fucking linked to a clear ideology. The incel community does have a pretty clear belief system that they're not exactly shy about expressing. Which makes the statement even worse, because she's not looking for order, she just wants to get her bigot on.
It was a "couple excerpts" that amounted to around ten paragraphs of text. I didn't say you posted the whole thing, but posting large chunks of someone else's content is a no-no for what I hope are obvious reasons. The willingness of other people to read your links is up to them. If they don't want to, or don't want to engage with them, you don't have to reply. If they're rude, please use the report button. That's what it's there for. We'd much rather you did that than get involved in increasingly waspish and angry back and forths.
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One excuse I heard on the radio is that it's an ideology that is very loosely defined and unorganized, by contrast to say ISIS or Al Qaeda which have clear power structures and infrastructures. And in Canada the legal definition of "terrorism" requires a link to a clearly-defined terrorist organization. So handling this as a terrorist attack would be very difficult, and would open the prosecution to questioning and eventually even finding the guy innocent. Whereas handling this as multiple homicides is a pretty clear-cut case.
From a legal and law-enforcement standpoint it makes sense.
Doesn't mean the media can't call a spade a spade, of course. But what do you expect from those spineless cowards? They've probably struggling to find a way to relate this to Trudeau's India trip so they can get back to familiar grounds. Heaven forbid they should make serious, factual, informative news reports.
I remember my history teacher in grade 11 (which was aaaaages ago so this had an impact on me), defined terrorism as 'violence or the threat of violence used in order to influence the way people think and act, or to get them to act in a way in which they otherwise wouldn't'. I find that to be pretty damn accurate, and this guy definitely fits.
Why shouldn't public opinion be inflamed over serious problems? The problem is that we prefer a hollow comity over actually doing something about issues - this is what MLK was referring to when he discussed negative peace versus positive peace, the absence of conflict versus the presence of justice.
Probably not the right place for this, but that's how states work no? If you do not follow the (right) laws or fit into specific categories you will likely not be treated well.
You're probably not following the right sources then.
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she literally saw dead bodies and the smashed up van
I wondered if I knew anyone who was nearby. This is cutting it too close for comfort
Motives of man who clearly stated his motives unclear
When the dust settles on this, I hope people figure out how the fuck someone described by his fellow students as not being at all malicious wound up killing a whole bunch of people and how do you catch this sort of thing in the future? Some news reports suggest his mother had talked publicly about her sons struggles and how social services were helping him....so what happened there?
By talking to a bunch of people who turn that emotional distress into violent action via radicalisation.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/david-suzuki-s-honorary-degree-angers-albertans-1.4635995
Predictably, some Albertans and the newly formed UCP had an issue with this, because how dare a famed environmentalist say pro environmental things. There were even some donors ready to withdraw hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding because how dare we move away from a rapidly dwindling resource. On the other hand, the Alberta NDP ... also criticized the move.
Goddammit.
I'd get on Alberta's case about this, but apparently our premier is getting into offshore drilling despite a majority of Nova Scotians being opposed to offshore drilling.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/stephen-mcneil-offshore-energy-oil-drilling-gas-lng-texas-1.4637555
It really begs the question, why did our provinces elect the Alberta NDP and NS Liberals if they're just going to act like Conservatives?
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Alberta NDP I think have always been more conservative leaning than their other counterparts. I suspect most of this is a dog an pony show to garner more support from the right cause without those votes they are out next election.
And Albertans are actively opposing any efforts to diversify their province's economy.
For that matter, they are actively trying to force the rest of the country to put all their eggs in the same basket.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/04/27/news/i-was-shock-says-government-insider-about-instructions-ensure-approval-kinder-morgan
And to head off slander of the National Observer as being equivalent news website with National Enquirer bat boy aficionados, here is what mediabiasfactcheck.com has to say about them:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-observer-canada/
I'm really starting to like Enright.