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[Canadian Politics] No, we're never going to stop talking about pot legalization.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Nobody under 19 can enter a private cannabis store. Ever. Not even with their parents.

    Stores must also be placed at least 150 metres away from schools and be considered "stand-alone" locations (read: they can't be in strip malls).

    Licensed retailers will be able to sell weed between 9 a.m. and 11 p.m. every day, under these regulations, with a maximum of 75 stores per operator allowed in Ontario.

    Anyone working at one of these stores will be required to complete a government-approved training program in the responsible sale of cannabis.

    Applications for licenses to sell will begin on December 17, though the release notes that any "illegal cannabis retailers who were operating after legalization on Oct. 17 will not be eligible to receive cannabis sales licences."

    So people with young kids are supposed to, what? Leave them unattended? What a fantastic conundrum the Ontario government has made for parents of young children. What happens if a new mother or father walks in while carrying an infant? Does the baby get arrested, or the parent?

    What the shit is this?

    I can at least slightly see the point of that, hopefully online sales / delivery services can blunt the sting of that choice.

    I'm curious what possible reason there is to restrict them from opening in strip mall and requiring every single store to be it's own free standing structure

    I think it makes sense. They aren't allowed to market at all to minors so if they were to allow in children everything would have to be locked behind counters. It's already enough of a restricted experience. We don't need even more.

    As said above, if you're stuck with the kids just order online.

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    More in hippofant's ongoing series of ONTARIANS ARE STUPID:

    April, 2018 - How did one of Ontario’s first legal pot stores end up next to a Toronto public school?
    Premier Kathleen Wynne is demanding answers on why one of the Ontario government’s first cannabis stores will be located 450 metres from a school in a Gerrard St. plaza.

    The Toronto District School Board also has concerns — saying it had asked to be consulted, but was not....

    “We’re disappointed we weren’t consulted at all,” said Scarborough Southwest Trustee Parthi Kandavel. “If we were, we would have consulted with parents on this.”

    Parents discussed the matter at a Wednesday night school council meeting at Blantyre, said co-chair Garfield Richards.

    “Overall, they weren’t welcoming of the idea,” he said, adding families want to know if there are any alternate sites that could be considered instead.

    “That just speaks to one of our concerns,” Richards said of the lack of information on how the spot was chosen. “There isn’t the level of engagement there. It seems like a decision that was made removed from any of the key stakeholders in the community. To me, that is very worrying.”


    Today - Ford breaks promise to keep pot stores away from schools
    Private cannabis stores can open within 150 metres of schools under new regulations posted by Premier Doug Ford’s government — something he had promised not to allow.

    “I won’t put it besides schools like you did,” Ford said in a spring election debate to then-premier Kathleen Wynne. The Liberal government had planned to open its first state-run marijuana outlet 450 metres from Blantyre Public School in Scarborough.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    Half a kilometer from a building is only "next to" a building if the item in question is a particularly large explosive device.

  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Half a kilometer from a building is only "next to" a building if the item in question is a particularly large explosive device.

    And meth labs aren't legal yet.

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    The closest legal pot store to my house is an hour and twenty minutes round trip in zero traffic. Two and a half to three hours round trip in typical traffic.
    I haven't been able to convince myself that making that trip would be worthwhile yet, and haven't been willing to do online sales.
    This wasn't quite the reaction I expected from legalization

  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    I feel like this article is a lot more serious for the canadian legal system than the title suggests

    Woman ticketed for not holding escalator handrail to be heard by Supreme Court

    "A police officer who has a sincere but false belief that a law exists and decides to punish a party on the basis of this law could be exonerated of all responsibility … It goes squarely against important principles of law," he said.

    In the Court of Appeal decision, Justice Julie Dutil wrote that the officer "had reasonable grounds to believe that an infraction had been committed," which justified his decision to fine Kosoian and arrest her "because she had refused to identify herself."

    In a dissenting opinion, Justice Mark Schrager wrote that the officer's "honest but false belief" she had committed an infraction was not enough to clear him of responsibility.

    It seems to basically be arguing whether or not the police can be held responsible for not being aware of the laws they're trying to enforce?

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    Or not caring whether a law exists.

    I do think the SCC needs to hear that one if just because that whole thing is some amazing BS.

  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    A particularly horrifying note is that the Quebec court and the Court of Appeals have both ruled that no, police aren't responsible if they try to enforce laws they just think exist.

    Psykoma on
  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    I'll say that given that it's the SCC and not SCOTUS, I'd expect some sort of reasonability test to kick in no matter what.

    hippofant on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    There's not really enough details in that article about what the Quebec courts decided to understand wtf is going on here and what the scope of and reasoning behind the decisions were.

  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    I guess ignorance of the law is fine as a defense, then?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    So this happened.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    ...dammit I can't...get it to...is there golden pot at the end of the?...no, that doesn't make any sense...

  • BlarghyBlarghy Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    I feel like this article is a lot more serious for the canadian legal system than the title suggests

    Woman ticketed for not holding escalator handrail to be heard by Supreme Court

    "A police officer who has a sincere but false belief that a law exists and decides to punish a party on the basis of this law could be exonerated of all responsibility … It goes squarely against important principles of law," he said.

    In the Court of Appeal decision, Justice Julie Dutil wrote that the officer "had reasonable grounds to believe that an infraction had been committed," which justified his decision to fine Kosoian and arrest her "because she had refused to identify herself."

    In a dissenting opinion, Justice Mark Schrager wrote that the officer's "honest but false belief" she had committed an infraction was not enough to clear him of responsibility.

    It seems to basically be arguing whether or not the police can be held responsible for not being aware of the laws they're trying to enforce?

    Its about whether the police officer acted negligently enough that a civil suit should find damages for. If a police officer arrests someone who is later found not guilty of a crime, it is generally not grounds for a civil suit unless there was some negligent or malicious intent involved. The question is whether arresting someone for a crime the officer believes exists but actually does not exist hit that threshold of negligence. As noted above, it'll probably hinge on the reasonableness of the officer's belief that the hypothetical law existed (probably on whether close laws exist that apply in similar circumstances, but not this particular one).

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Honestly, like... let's be real, the real issue isn't whether the officer thought such a law existed, but that they were clearly abusing their power by trying to enforce it, even if it did exist. What kinda ahole is enforcing that particular law? Officer was clearly just on a power trip.

    hippofant on
  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    I wonder what her ethnicity is. I'm going to go out of a limb and guess "not white"

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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    So, I gotta say I'm coming around on the packaging in your stores, at the very least this little white bottle the 8th I got came in is a fuckin wonder.

    You can basically use your hand and the lip of it as a grinder by crushing nugs against it. Quality wise these flowers are perfect for breaking up and throwing in a jay, and because of the short papers they have in the store those jays fit back in the 8th bottle.

    I've been cruising on some pink kush that's been serving me well as a volume weed, I've got some delehaze that I'm hoping just fuckin obliterates my face tomorrow night.

  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    ...dammit I can't...get it to...is there golden pot at the end of the?...no, that doesn't make any sense...

    A pot of Acapulco gold at the end of the rainbow

  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    Jesus, the CPC is just going full on racist dog whistle now eh?

    See screencapped tweet:

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    Jesus, the CPC is just going full on racist dog whistle now eh?

    See screencapped tweet:


    something something MacKay helicopter ride

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Corvus wrote: »
    Jesus, the CPC is just going full on racist dog whistle now eh?

    See screencapped tweet:


    I remember when I had a friend on Facebook (RL friend too) who jumped in to argue with me that Conservative criticism of Sajjan was not racist, and that she, as a brown person, did not need people defending brown people from such criticism, and that I was the real racist for thinking that criticism of Sajjan was motivated by racism, and then I cut off all ties and blocked her stupid ass because she was being a completely annoying troll while also being completely totally wrong.

    I'm just saying this here to try and deal with my desire to make a real big, "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO, I WAS FUCKING RIGHT" post on my Facebook.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Is there actually any meat to this story of an overly expensive trip? Or is it more of the standard issue private and secure charter flight are simply more expensive than that last minute coach seat liquidation sale?

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  • CorporateGoonCorporateGoon Registered User regular
    Is there actually any meat to this story of an overly expensive trip? Or is it more of the standard issue private and secure charter flight are simply more expensive than that last minute coach seat liquidation sale?

    In this case, it's not really the expense that's the big issue (although it certainly wasn't a cheap endeavour), so much as what happened on the flight. It was supposed to be taking some VIPs to visit overseas troops to boost morale, but things got rowdy and Tiger Williams allegedly sexually assaulted someone. Here's the article from the tweet: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/sajjan-deputy-minister-dig-a-deeper-hole-for-themselves-on-337000-party-flight

    Of course, now any further investigation or queries will be tainted with the "dis wut hapen wen u put brwon guy in charge uv militery" stink the Okanagan Tories decided to put on it

  • SteelhawkSteelhawk Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    Jesus, the CPC is just going full on racist dog whistle now eh?

    See screencapped tweet:


    I remember when I had a friend on Facebook (RL friend too) who jumped in to argue with me that Conservative criticism of Sajjan was not racist, and that she, as a brown person, did not need people defending brown people from such criticism, and that I was the real racist for thinking that criticism of Sajjan was motivated by racism, and then I cut off all ties and blocked her stupid ass because she was being a completely annoying troll while also being completely totally wrong.

    I'm just saying this here to try and deal with my desire to make a real big, "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO, I WAS FUCKING RIGHT" post on my Facebook.



    As a brown person, your friend may have a point in that not all criticism of a brown person is only because they are brown. It may indeed be because that person is instead a stupid ass.

    This particular tweet by the Okanagan Conservatives is NOT one of those situations. This was a cheap shot by racists.

  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Wow reading the article feels like even less of a scandal.

    VIP entertainment got drunk on a government flight, and acted inappropriately. The government did not run to the press with all the details, this means they aren’t as transparent as the press would like.

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  • SteelhawkSteelhawk Registered User regular
    The contents of the article, legitimate spending complaints or not, is not the issue here. At issue is the blatant racism on display by this BC Conservative group via their official social media channels.

    Let's not re-frame the discussion here.

  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    Steelhawk wrote: »
    The contents of the article, legitimate spending complaints or not, is not the issue here. At issue is the blatant racism on display by this BC Conservative group via their official social media channels.

    Let's not re-frame the discussion here.

    And if y'all could do me a favour and not completely explode this thread until after my choir concert tomorrow afternoon, I have the images ready for the next OP. :)

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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    As an update: this delehaze is nothin to fuck with.

  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Steelhawk wrote: »
    The contents of the article, legitimate spending complaints or not, is not the issue here. At issue is the blatant racism on display by this BC Conservative group via their official social media channels.

    Let's not re-frame the discussion here.


    Sorry, wasnt trying to reframe the discussion, I was curious if the Liberals had actually done anything to merit the article in the first place.

    As far as the blatant racism, its not just this article, and its not just the BC Conservative group.

    This defense minister is becoming a boogeyman among most of the Canadian far right. They are also blaming him for making racial divides because he was one person among many to condemn the ‘Its okay to be white’ signs that were posted all over Canadian University campuses a couple weeks ago.

    For the more subtle racism, you have to wonder why the Ottawa Citizen chose his photo for the story, when he had nothing to do with the incident.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    APTN had this amazing show on recently that is well worth a watch to see into how a "few" Canadians are currently treating relationships with First Nations:

    http://aptn.ca/firstcontact/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hJLCXQUVo

    Thanks for posting that.

    Found it super interesting and something we should look into for younger high school age kids.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    Thanks, Ford voters.



    Thanks a whole fucking bunch.

    (This policy--of no longer supporting gender identity theory, obvs, not the initial support--was sponsored by Tanya Granic Allen, a PC party leadership candidate who said gay marriage made her want to vomit.

    Her support was a major contributor to Doug Ford winning the PC Party leadership race )

  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    I motion for a bill that allows us to no longer recognize the Ontario government. <_<

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    As a resident of Ontario, I’m okay with that.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Also, as of Thursday, the Ontario Government is cancelling the Francophone University plans for Toronto and has gotten rid of the commissioner of French-language services (alongside two other ombudsmen: environment, and the child advocate).

    Good thing Ontario doesn't have a significant Francophone population or anything, eh.

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  • vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    They opened a cannabis store out here in the suburbs, so I finally popped in.

    I was -easily- the youngest person there (except for staff) by 15-20 years, and I'm 33.

    Remembering my conservative in-laws saying that legalization was pointless, no one's going to buy from the government, and it'll all be young people anyways, and laughing as I look at the 3 remaining strains that they have, which they only seem to have because they're the most expensive.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Thanks, Ford voters.



    Thanks a whole fucking bunch.

    (This policy--of no longer supporting gender identity theory, obvs, not the initial support--was sponsored by Tanya Granic Allen, a PC party leadership candidate who said gay marriage made her want to vomit.

    Her support was a major contributor to Doug Ford winning the PC Party leadership race )
    I’m hopeful that if they actually try to pass it into law they will forget to use the not withstanding clause and let the courts obliterate it.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    So I guess the Sons of Odin are getting big in my town? If I manage to provoke one of them into murdering me I would like to say ahead of time that it was well worth it and to avenge me please

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    I've been hearing they're trying to muscle into Halifax but not having the best time of it since people are generally aware of what they actually are underneath the faux community outreach stuff.

    This town's a big pile of Issues but occasionally it's alright.
    I’m hopeful that if they actually try to pass it into law they will forget to use the not withstanding clause and let the courts obliterate it.

    It's a non-binding resolution, probably specifically so they can't get challenged in courts on it. Basically showmanship to score points with what's left of their base since their popularity is already tanking.

    (Of course, doing that legislatively and then NWCing it once challenged would have the same result. Yay for pandering to authoritarian bigots!)

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Steelhawk wrote: »
    The contents of the article, legitimate spending complaints or not, is not the issue here. At issue is the blatant racism on display by this BC Conservative group via their official social media channels.

    Let's not re-frame the discussion here.


    Sorry, wasnt trying to reframe the discussion, I was curious if the Liberals had actually done anything to merit the article in the first place.

    As far as the blatant racism, its not just this article, and its not just the BC Conservative group.

    This defense minister is becoming a boogeyman among most of the Canadian far right. They are also blaming him for making racial divides because he was one person among many to condemn the ‘Its okay to be white’ signs that were posted all over Canadian University campuses a couple weeks ago.

    For the more subtle racism, you have to wonder why the Ottawa Citizen chose his photo for the story, when he had nothing to do with the incident.

    Yes. A lot of the earlier criticism of Sajjan has also been racist in origin. The spat I blew up with my friend about was over Conservatives heckling him while he talking, saying that they needed an "English to English translator" to understand Sajjan.

    Which... look, a lot of ministers and MPs - from all parties - deserve to be criticized for their gobbledegook. But if Sajjan was white and not francophone - or hell, I dunno about these Conservatives, they might even cross that line - I seriously doubt they'd be heckling him with such specific language. They'd say he's talking nonsense, isn't saying anything, call him a liar, whatever. But reaching for a "translator" heckle to hurl at a visible minority - even if was subconscious and incidental - I'm not giving an inch on that being racist, or at least appears sufficiently racist as to be indistinct.


    ... honestly, I think part of it is because it's defense. I think Canadian conservatives are more likely to be at peace with a (full-term, elected) female/minority Prime Minister than Minister of Defense. That's a heterosexual white male's "domain."

  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Doug Ford is certainly living up to the shining example of petty politics set by his brother. And exceeding them.

    Rob would be so proud.

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