Well, yes, that's what I'm getting at - it doesn't feel like it's much about looks at all and is entirely a product pitched on ease of use to get ... a result.
I understand helping people get something to the table that isn't just grey plastic, but something about this line and the push for it just seems off. What I've also said is that I'm willing to wait for more things to be painted and be proven wrong.
It feels off because it's counter to everything GW has been peddling for over 30 years and they're pushing it so hard and selling it as the way to paint moving forward and I hope that's not the case; that this is just a marketing push for a new product.
It's for people who just want to play the game and don't want to invest time in making their armies look more than 'good enough' - which is fine. It's for people who have friends they want to sucker into the hobby who hear 'you need to paint' and immediately shut down. It's for kids.
Honestly the only way GW could make me excited for new paint products would be if they used to old pot lids again. Seriously, that's all it would take - just the lids!
These contrast paints aren’t going anywhere, and there aren’t any super limited bundles or anything. I imagine that they’ll be filling up store paint racks alongside their regular line by next month.
Well, yes, that's what I'm getting at - it doesn't feel like it's much about looks at all and is entirely a product pitched on ease of use to get ... a result.
I understand helping people get something to the table that isn't just grey plastic, but something about this line and the push for it just seems off. What I've also said is that I'm willing to wait for more things to be painted and be proven wrong.
It feels off because it's counter to everything GW has been peddling for over 30 years and they're pushing it so hard and selling it as the way to paint moving forward and I hope that's not the case; that this is just a marketing push for a new product.
It's for people who just want to play the game and don't want to invest time in making their armies look more than 'good enough' - which is fine. It's for people who have friends they want to sucker into the hobby who hear 'you need to paint' and immediately shut down. It's for kids.
Honestly the only way GW could make me excited for new paint products would be if they used to old pot lids again. Seriously, that's all it would take - just the lids!
I dunno to me it's pretty clear it's for a lot of people
Like I'm not Eavy Metal level by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not a novice painter either, and I'm pumped to give these a whirl in a more elaborate project to see what things become easier and what new things can be accomplished with them.
But also my wife, who enjoys painting occasionally but doesn't have the patience for a fully involved project, is super excited about the prospect of being able to pretty up her small collection of unpainted figures much faster and painlessly than she had thought.
Well, yes, that's what I'm getting at - it doesn't feel like it's much about looks at all and is entirely a product pitched on ease of use to get ... a result.
I understand helping people get something to the table that isn't just grey plastic, but something about this line and the push for it just seems off. What I've also said is that I'm willing to wait for more things to be painted and be proven wrong.
It feels off because it's counter to everything GW has been peddling for over 30 years and they're pushing it so hard and selling it as the way to paint moving forward and I hope that's not the case; that this is just a marketing push for a new product.
It's for people who just want to play the game and don't want to invest time in making their armies look more than 'good enough' - which is fine. It's for people who have friends they want to sucker into the hobby who hear 'you need to paint' and immediately shut down. It's for kids.
Honestly the only way GW could make me excited for new paint products would be if they used to old pot lids again. Seriously, that's all it would take - just the lids!
I dunno to me it's pretty clear it's for a lot of people
Like I'm not Eavy Metal level by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not a novice painter either, and I'm pumped to give these a whirl in a more elaborate project to see what things become easier and what new things can be accomplished with them.
But also my wife, who enjoys painting occasionally but doesn't have the patience for a fully involved project, is super excited about the prospect of being able to pretty up her small collection of unpainted figures much faster and painlessly than she had thought.
I've encountered a lot of people in the hobby that just have no interest at all in painting. That's not part of the game they're interested in. I see them as being a big target for these with how simple it makes getting beyond gray plastic.
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Well, yes, that's what I'm getting at - it doesn't feel like it's much about looks at all and is entirely a product pitched on ease of use to get ... a result.
I understand helping people get something to the table that isn't just grey plastic, but something about this line and the push for it just seems off. What I've also said is that I'm willing to wait for more things to be painted and be proven wrong.
It feels off because it's counter to everything GW has been peddling for over 30 years and they're pushing it so hard and selling it as the way to paint moving forward and I hope that's not the case; that this is just a marketing push for a new product.
It's for people who just want to play the game and don't want to invest time in making their armies look more than 'good enough' - which is fine. It's for people who have friends they want to sucker into the hobby who hear 'you need to paint' and immediately shut down. It's for kids.
Honestly the only way GW could make me excited for new paint products would be if they used to old pot lids again. Seriously, that's all it would take - just the lids!
I dunno to me it's pretty clear it's for a lot of people
Like I'm not Eavy Metal level by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not a novice painter either, and I'm pumped to give these a whirl in a more elaborate project to see what things become easier and what new things can be accomplished with them.
But also my wife, who enjoys painting occasionally but doesn't have the patience for a fully involved project, is super excited about the prospect of being able to pretty up her small collection of unpainted figures much faster and painlessly than she had thought.
I've encountered a lot of people in the hobby that just have no interest at all in painting. That's not part of the game they're interested in. I see them as being a big target for these with how simple it makes getting beyond gray plastic.
I'm one of those people. I hate painting. I would much rather just never paint and only play with grey plastic.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
I like painting as I like learning and trying out different things
as I said I wanted to paint my swooping hawks like in this pic
I just have no idea how to do it at the time
Things like this do not help
Or those little guides that used to come on the back of boxes I had no idea how to use them. For the most part I just did it and saw if it worked. Stripping was a whole other problem as what "worked" for some did not work for me
Fast forward to the painting demos they do on youtube I mean this is awesome! and very helpful! I know it takes time and sometimes does not show what I want to know or is a tiny segment of the full video
Man when I was first started in 2004 I had no clue how to shade and highlight and it bothered to me to no end that most tutorials skipped that step or just made it seem so trivial.
I started painting minis back when Hero Quest came out so the early 90's and I had little idea what I was doing not did I know what shade or highlight was
I’m currently painting a T’au army and the results aren’t great when you take into account how it’s turning out. I’m sure I could post a pic, and people would be surprised how long it is taking me per model.
Contrast paints I feel are going to help me when I go on to my next army (probably a wraith army).
But the big thing for me will be to buy a few paints, get some models and give them to my 6 year old daughter. I’ll be able to undercoat stuff, then she’ll be able to paint straight from the pot; for instance being able to go “use this one for skin” is going to be enormously helpful rather than telling her to paint this base, this wash, this layer paint then this layer paint.
It might not be as magical as GW are pushing, but I’m still looking forward to it.
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A different, worse colour
I remember there being some oddly vitriolic push-back 11-ish years ago when the washes were first released. 'You can already make washes yourself! No one is going to buy them when they only offer 8 shades, and you can make your own out of any color. It's just going to make armies look even more alike than they already do."
Ultimately, no company wants to release something that nobody is going to buy, so of course this isn't some purely altruistic giving back to the hobby move. But along with other improvements over the years (GW painting has gotten visibly better over the years, from when I started back when the paints were still in the white-topped, hexagonal bottles, and the average painting level of player's models on the table has _vastly_ improved) it has made the whole process much easier and beginner friendly. I'm sure that GW's end goal is get people who aren't into painting to make a few models that look adequate, which gets them to buy more paints to make them look even better, but if the end result are more painted models and less bare plastic, it seems like a step in the right direction to me.
I feel I will do the Farsight Enclaves for my tau as I got them years ago but I had no idea how to do the tan armor the other problem is I have a ton of Xv8 suits but few fire warriors and getting them for cheap is hard
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edited June 2019
Purple
On matters completely unrelated to contrast paints, this was a pleasant enough morning~
It's not quite captured in the photo, but the morning light is really bringing together the red of the paint and the yellow of the masking tape, and there's something really pretty about it all.
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edited June 2019
Purple
About 5 minutes after I finished laying down that coat, while I was cleaning my stuff, I realized I missed a great opportunity to make a pair of "Eh?-wings" painted like Canadian flags. I was very displeased with myself. :P
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Purple
I can't decide what color scheme I want to go with for my UCM Dropfleet Commander fleet. I was originally thinking blue and silver, but now I'm considering maybe Yellow and Black?
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Thanks. I'm happy how it came out because I hadn't tried it before and kinda winged it because I didn't want to spend too much time on these.
Looking at them now, I'm not so sure about the purple emblem. It's so flat.
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I can't decide what color scheme I want to go with for my UCM Dropfleet Commander fleet. I was originally thinking blue and silver, but now I'm considering maybe Yellow and Black?
How do you plan on breaking up the colours?
While I went a today different direction, I did seriously consider doing Master Chief colors to really sell the military feel of the fleet over utilitarian grey. Maybe you should give some thought to how you want it to present and what colours support that?
I can't decide what color scheme I want to go with for my UCM Dropfleet Commander fleet. I was originally thinking blue and silver, but now I'm considering maybe Yellow and Black?
Look up Chris Foss and Rob Cunningham art if you want some inspiration for more colourful space ship paint schemes.
In anticipation of the plastic wood elf blood bowl team I'm currently looking at 1960s and 70s race car liveries. Currently on top of the list are Lotus and Porsche
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edited June 2019
Purple
I wanted to do a color scheme that was bold, in contrast to the default understated look, but not garish. As for seperating I was thinking either stripes, blocking, or doing sections in different colors.
Edit: I have also considered trying to do a sort of Disruptive camouflage color scheme for space, but I've had a hard time finding the right inspiration for something like that.
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ArcticLancerBest served chilled.Registered Userregular
Purple
Unquestionably, the best UCM I've seen lately is this work from a guy on the DFC facebook group:
It's 100% magnetized as well, just for extra show-off points. :P
Going much further back, it's worth showing that even if minimized, this sort of scheme has a pretty solid presence:
It's surprisingly hard to find a good photo, but inverting the main body of colour is also quite effective:
Someone else did an absolutely phenomenal Mass Effect tribute scheme, but I can't find it right now. Sorry about that.
Otherwise I posted my WIP stuff a couple of months back (that got immediately sidetracked by some commission work ... the A-wings are actually my palate cleanser before going back to it).
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Planning on testing some stuff on my Necrons today. I am going to airbrush a Warrior up with vallejo metallic gold and then make the armor plates orange and then two others either aluminum or gun metal grey to make blue and green. Can't decide between aluminum and gun metal grey though.
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Testing went alright with the contrast paint and my Necrons. Did aluminum on 2 of them and gold on the other. The orange on the gold didn't really come out how I was hoping.
Also took home my denim knight and painted up a model as a Space Wolf.
PSN: Reaper_Stragint, Steam: DoublePitstoChesty
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
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Unquestionably, the best UCM I've seen lately is this work from a guy on the DFC facebook group:
It's 100% magnetized as well, just for extra show-off points. :P
Going much further back, it's worth showing that even if minimized, this sort of scheme has a pretty solid presence:
It's surprisingly hard to find a good photo, but inverting the main body of colour is also quite effective:
Someone else did an absolutely phenomenal Mass Effect tribute scheme, but I can't find it right now. Sorry about that.
Otherwise I posted my WIP stuff a couple of months back (that got immediately sidetracked by some commission work ... the A-wings are actually my palate cleanser before going back to it).
Going white with dark grey weapons was something I was considering.
I wish I had the level of dedication to actually magnetize all of my stuff and make it modular but... gluing is simpler :P
Edit: also, generally speaking, what is considered the most reliable matte varnish? Basically none of my minis are varnished and I recognize this is a problem, but basically every brand or technique I look into has reports of buildup.
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Did a little more work on the Space Wolf and Necrons. Put some leadbelcher and abaddon black on the gun and used retributor gold to paint the crest on the chest. I also dry brushed fenrisian grey.
For the Necrons I did a was of nuln oil on blue and green and used gloss reikland flesh on the orange. I then painted the raised part of the crest on the chest, kind of lost control for orange.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Had me looking at dropfleet for a moment there @ArcticLancer
How big are they?
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ArcticLancerBest served chilled.Registered Userregular
Purple
Far from perfect, but ...
The battleship is around 140mm, and those are much more rare than cruisers and frigates. I don't have my dreadnought built, but I know they list the length of those on the website at least (maybe they do for all the ships, actually?). If you know roughly how big the A-Wings I'm building are, that should give you a pretty good physical idea. I was dumb and forgot to put an infinity figure in the photo. <_<
I like that article because Lenz actually explains his process and shows of the differences between contrast only and contrast plus detailing.
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edited June 2019
Purple
I'm considering trying to do a paint scheme based on the Shadowyards Reconstruction Authority mod from Starsector, though I don't know that I'm skilled enough to pull it off
I also don't know if it isn't better saved for the PHR
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Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
Maybe, depends on what is there after I get off of work on Saturday. I have to clock in just as they open.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
It feels off because it's counter to everything GW has been peddling for over 30 years and they're pushing it so hard and selling it as the way to paint moving forward and I hope that's not the case; that this is just a marketing push for a new product.
It's for people who just want to play the game and don't want to invest time in making their armies look more than 'good enough' - which is fine. It's for people who have friends they want to sucker into the hobby who hear 'you need to paint' and immediately shut down. It's for kids.
Honestly the only way GW could make me excited for new paint products would be if they used to old pot lids again. Seriously, that's all it would take - just the lids!
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I dunno to me it's pretty clear it's for a lot of people
Like I'm not Eavy Metal level by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not a novice painter either, and I'm pumped to give these a whirl in a more elaborate project to see what things become easier and what new things can be accomplished with them.
But also my wife, who enjoys painting occasionally but doesn't have the patience for a fully involved project, is super excited about the prospect of being able to pretty up her small collection of unpainted figures much faster and painlessly than she had thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoWFxFJ1ALw
I've encountered a lot of people in the hobby that just have no interest at all in painting. That's not part of the game they're interested in. I see them as being a big target for these with how simple it makes getting beyond gray plastic.
I'm one of those people. I hate painting. I would much rather just never paint and only play with grey plastic.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
as I said I wanted to paint my swooping hawks like in this pic
I just have no idea how to do it at the time
Things like this do not help
Or those little guides that used to come on the back of boxes I had no idea how to use them. For the most part I just did it and saw if it worked. Stripping was a whole other problem as what "worked" for some did not work for me
Fast forward to the painting demos they do on youtube I mean this is awesome! and very helpful! I know it takes time and sometimes does not show what I want to know or is a tiny segment of the full video
Contrast paints I feel are going to help me when I go on to my next army (probably a wraith army).
But the big thing for me will be to buy a few paints, get some models and give them to my 6 year old daughter. I’ll be able to undercoat stuff, then she’ll be able to paint straight from the pot; for instance being able to go “use this one for skin” is going to be enormously helpful rather than telling her to paint this base, this wash, this layer paint then this layer paint.
It might not be as magical as GW are pushing, but I’m still looking forward to it.
Ultimately, no company wants to release something that nobody is going to buy, so of course this isn't some purely altruistic giving back to the hobby move. But along with other improvements over the years (GW painting has gotten visibly better over the years, from when I started back when the paints were still in the white-topped, hexagonal bottles, and the average painting level of player's models on the table has _vastly_ improved) it has made the whole process much easier and beginner friendly. I'm sure that GW's end goal is get people who aren't into painting to make a few models that look adequate, which gets them to buy more paints to make them look even better, but if the end result are more painted models and less bare plastic, it seems like a step in the right direction to me.
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PSN - Razide6
It's not quite captured in the photo, but the morning light is really bringing together the red of the paint and the yellow of the masking tape, and there's something really pretty about it all.
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
A bit like strawberry cheesecake or Panna cotta. Tasty.
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
Thanks. I'm happy how it came out because I hadn't tried it before and kinda winged it because I didn't want to spend too much time on these.
Looking at them now, I'm not so sure about the purple emblem. It's so flat.
While I went a today different direction, I did seriously consider doing Master Chief colors to really sell the military feel of the fleet over utilitarian grey. Maybe you should give some thought to how you want it to present and what colours support that?
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
Look up Chris Foss and Rob Cunningham art if you want some inspiration for more colourful space ship paint schemes.
In anticipation of the plastic wood elf blood bowl team I'm currently looking at 1960s and 70s race car liveries. Currently on top of the list are Lotus and Porsche
Edit: I have also considered trying to do a sort of Disruptive camouflage color scheme for space, but I've had a hard time finding the right inspiration for something like that.
Going much further back, it's worth showing that even if minimized, this sort of scheme has a pretty solid presence:
It's surprisingly hard to find a good photo, but inverting the main body of colour is also quite effective:
Someone else did an absolutely phenomenal Mass Effect tribute scheme, but I can't find it right now. Sorry about that.
Otherwise I posted my WIP stuff a couple of months back (that got immediately sidetracked by some commission work ... the A-wings are actually my palate cleanser before going back to it).
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Also took home my denim knight and painted up a model as a Space Wolf.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Going white with dark grey weapons was something I was considering.
I wish I had the level of dedication to actually magnetize all of my stuff and make it modular but... gluing is simpler :P
Edit: also, generally speaking, what is considered the most reliable matte varnish? Basically none of my minis are varnished and I recognize this is a problem, but basically every brand or technique I look into has reports of buildup.
For the Necrons I did a was of nuln oil on blue and green and used gloss reikland flesh on the orange. I then painted the raised part of the crest on the chest, kind of lost control for orange.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
How big are they?
The battleship is around 140mm, and those are much more rare than cruisers and frigates. I don't have my dreadnought built, but I know they list the length of those on the website at least (maybe they do for all the ships, actually?). If you know roughly how big the A-Wings I'm building are, that should give you a pretty good physical idea. I was dumb and forgot to put an infinity figure in the photo. <_<
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/13/painting-with-contrast-sam-lenzgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-2/
I also don't know if it isn't better saved for the PHR
Edit Or possibly something based on these guys