[Heroes of the Storm 2.0] "I'm only dooting you because I can't doot myself."

dav3yb

So.... it looks like they took out the ability for players to vote for themselves on the MVP screen? best patch na?

Munkus Beaver

dav3yb wrote: »

So.... it looks like they took out the ability for players to vote for themselves on the MVP screen? best patch na?

Oh thank God

milk ducks

So, if I want to buy both of these bundles it's gonna be like 60 bucks?

Dick move, Blizzard.

It may pay off for you in the end because I'm an asshole that's reckless with his money.

But dick move, nonetheless.

Dibby

dav3yb wrote: »

So.... it looks like they took out the ability for players to vote for themselves on the MVP screen? best patch na?

nah worst patch NA

people already had very little reason to actually vote

this will actually have the opposite intended effect; people will be even less likely to vote now

can't vote for myself? then i'm not gonna vote for anyone.

Neurotika

Dibby wrote: »

dav3yb wrote: »

So.... it looks like they took out the ability for players to vote for themselves on the MVP screen? best patch na?

nah worst patch NA

people already had very little reason to actually vote

this will actually have the opposite intended effect; people will be even less likely to vote now

can't vote for myself? then i'm not gonna vote for anyone.

Well, you weren't voting for anyone else anyway if you were only voting for yourself?

kime

I rarely vote for myself tbh, I like the change

Knight_

i usually only voted for myself if 1 other person voted for me so i didn't look like i just voted for myself, or i needed it to get to epic.

shryke

I never voted for myself and it didn't seem like most people did either.

Munkus Beaver

Knight_ wrote: »

i usually only voted for myself if 1 other person voted for me so i didn't look like i just voted for myself, or i needed it to get to epic.

Yeah, I would always panic and vote for myself if someone else did to be like “see, I wasn’t just an asshole voting for myself, someone else did it” but now I can vote for someone else at the start because I don’t have to be stupid and insecure about having to prove to randos that I am not the solo guy voting for myself.

Dibby

ForceVoid wrote: »

Dibby wrote: »

dav3yb wrote: »

So.... it looks like they took out the ability for players to vote for themselves on the MVP screen? best patch na?

nah worst patch NA

people already had very little reason to actually vote

this will actually have the opposite intended effect; people will be even less likely to vote now

can't vote for myself? then i'm not gonna vote for anyone.

Well, you weren't voting for anyone else anyway if you were only voting for yourself?

no, i voted for other people all the time (most of the time)

but i still liked having the option to vote for myself if i thought i deserved it

Jookie

I vote for whoever does the most damage since that's the most important stat.

Smrtnik

I usually vote for whomever was the MVP unless someone else clearly made some awesome plays. I only vote for myself if others did it first (so it doesn't look like I'm a dick narcissistic) AND i feel i played ok or better.

Inquisitor77

I pretty much always vote for the tank or the healer, if I bother to vote at all.

forty

Always self-updoot, even if you fed heavily and lost your team the game and you're only on the final screen because you captured the most mercs or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY

PMAvers

I generally up-doot the healer. Tip your healer, folks.

MNC Dover

I follow Muradin's advice: "Always thank doot your healer."

Unless Kieri's playing, then she gets the doot. :winky:

Munkus Beaver

They do need change the "epic" and "legendary" requirements now, since it's gonna be nearly impossible without your own votes.

MNC Dover

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

They do need change the "epic" and "legendary" requirements now, since it's gonna be nearly impossible without your own votes.

They did. They are 3 and 7 respectively.

shryke

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

They do need change the "epic" and "legendary" requirements now, since it's gonna be nearly impossible without your own votes.

They did.

morgan_coke

So, about Diablo.

Firestomp might as well not exist as a talent anymore. Holy crap is the damage on that garbage now. At level 23 it was 25 damage on the way out, 85 on the way back. 110 damage total, at level 23? Complete and total failure. It's just, it's not good. Don't take any of the talents for it. Trap city.

Just in general Diablo feels squishier now. The lack of baseline armor when engaging is really noticeable. Fire Breath is terrible. Don't pick it. The slow isn't even remotely noticeable, people still just walk right out of it. Take Apoc.

So yeah, squishier, less damage, Fire Stomp is a big "do nothing" button now, and Fire Breath is still really bad.

Lunara feels much stronger. Great split pusher, especially once she gets Nature's Culling at 4.

Dibby

morgan_coke wrote: »

So, about Diablo.

Firestomp might as well not exist as a talent anymore. Holy crap is the damage on that garbage now. At level 23 it was 25 damage on the way out, 85 on the way back. 110 damage total, at level 23? Complete and total failure. It's just, it's not good. Don't take any of the talents for it. Trap city.

Just in general Diablo feels squishier now. The lack of baseline armor when engaging is really noticeable. Fire Breath is terrible. Don't pick it. The slow isn't even remotely noticeable, people still just walk right out of it. Take Apoc.

So yeah, squishier, less damage, Fire Stomp is a big "do nothing" button now, and Fire Breath is still really bad.

Lunara feels much stronger. Great split pusher, especially once she gets Nature's Culling at 4.

The damage is much lower now because multiple waves can now hit the same target.

You're expected to be shotgunning them, not using them to poke individually.

Also you say Diablo is squishier, and yet he received a bunch of ways to heal and several very good healing talents? Like try his AA build with Life Leech and the Aspd and tell me that he still feels squishy after that.

milk ducks

Yeah, I'm not sure, man. That Nubkeks Diablo PTR video I posted a ways back was almost full Firestomp w/ Lightning Breath and it looked upside down fucking broken crazy good.

Munkus Beaver

Yeah, the damage is massive when you hit with all the waves.

Jookie

You can also use a lot more.

Knight_

All the pros are saying firestomp lightning breath is by far and away the best build. AA build 2nd, old Q distant 3rd.

Old diablo is dead, long live new diablo.

Inquisitor77

Yeah he can't one-shot tanks anymore but he has more sustain if played properly due to the self-heal.

Which is honestly a much better place for him from a balance perspective. It also opens up more tanks in the meta, because you no longer have to be afraid of getting bodied by the other team's tank 1v5. At least with Garrosh he needs the rest of his team to follow up. Diablo being able to do it on his own was just asinine.

WingedWeasel

milk ducks wrote: »

If you choose to side with the pathetic horse weakling

you are my enemy

lunara has that day of the dead vibe. can't pass that up.

how long is this event running anyway? i am semi-tempted to play, but i don't hate myself enough at the moment. i have several other things in my life at the moment that will make my blood pressure skyrocket.

forty

WingedWeasel wrote: »

milk ducks wrote: »

If you choose to side with the pathetic horse weakling

you are my enemy

lunara has that day of the dead vibe. can't pass that up.

how long is this event running anyway? i am semi-tempted to play, but i don't hate myself enough at the moment. i have several other things in my life at the moment that will make my blood pressure skyrocket.

Only 3 weeks.

forty

I feel like Lunara's new Siphoning Toxin is worse overall, and it was already a ridiculously non-competitive talent. It seems like level 4 is going to end up with super lopsided pick rates (all Culling all the time?).

finnith

Lunara seems broken in my short experience so far this patch. Unfair advantage seems dumb.

Dibby

forty wrote: »

I feel like Lunara's new Siphoning Toxin is worse overall, and it was already a ridiculously non-competitive talent. It seems like level 4 is going to end up with super lopsided pick rates (all Culling all the time?).

Kinda no reason not to take Culling all the time ever

Before it competed with the very good Splintered Spear and the less good Wild Vigor.... but it still meant a trade-off of losing damage.

You're trading off fuckin' nothing for it now. You get it for *free*.

I mean what, would you rather have some weak health regen, a longer range/larger radius Q, or some incredibly fuckin' potent PVE damage? Choice seems clear as day to me.

Custom Special

Knight_ wrote: »

All the pros are saying firestomp lightning breath is by far and away the best build. AA build 2nd, old Q distant 3rd.

Old diablo is dead, long live new diablo.

What's this build?
I tried firestomp and it was pretty crap (the whole game was also bad to start with). I did get to do the firestomp chain with Q and E, but it seems like way too much commitment just to shoot some fires and do damage, vs tons of cc and healing from other talents.

milk ducks

Yeah I mean, Culling seems like the only real choice.

MNC Dover

Unless Lunara’s healing gets a buff, nothing will compete at 4. Maybe if you overbuffed the shit out of the Q talent it would see play. But it would have to be something absurd like 100% size/50% range. 25/25 just don’t cut it since the bases are so small.

milk ducks

I feel like the only thing that's really changed about Lunara is that now she can take Culling and Splintered Spear together, and her Wisp is actually useful.

Brainleech

milk ducks wrote: »

I feel like the only thing that's really changed about Lunara is that now she can take Culling and Splintered Spear together, and her Wisp is actually useful.

I know I took her for a spin today{ yesterday was her farewell tour} she is fun but I am going to have ot really think about some of the talents as it's more of a game time call than must pick

milk ducks

Okay, can confirm: new Diablo, specifically the fire stomp talents and lightning breath, are fucking op as anything.

WingedWeasel

forty wrote: »

WingedWeasel wrote: »

milk ducks wrote: »

If you choose to side with the pathetic horse weakling

you are my enemy

lunara has that day of the dead vibe. can't pass that up.

how long is this event running anyway? i am semi-tempted to play, but i don't hate myself enough at the moment. i have several other things in my life at the moment that will make my blood pressure skyrocket.

Only 3 weeks.

eh, whatever then. i don't care about the announcer that much

morgan_coke

milk ducks wrote: »

Okay, can confirm: new Diablo, specifically the fire stomp talents and lightning breath, are fucking op as anything.

Huh, I can't play new Diablo at all then. Much like Malf, the rework killed him for me. Too bad.

forty

Dibby wrote: »

forty wrote: »

I feel like Lunara's new Siphoning Toxin is worse overall, and it was already a ridiculously non-competitive talent. It seems like level 4 is going to end up with super lopsided pick rates (all Culling all the time?).

Kinda no reason not to take Culling all the time ever

Before it competed with the very good Splintered Spear and the less good Wild Vigor.... but it still meant a trade-off of losing damage.

You're trading off fuckin' nothing for it now. You get it for *free*.

I mean what, would you rather have some weak health regen, a longer range/larger radius Q, or some incredibly fuckin' potent PVE damage? Choice seems clear as day to me.

Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking, but also with an eye toward the future. You know what usually happens when one talent is far and away the most picked. I just hope the other two options get some substantial buffs instead of them just nerfing Culling.