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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    There are two things here:

    Sometimes books are good and people aren't clever enough to appreciate them.

    Sometimes books are canonized and overrated and aren't all that good.

    If you're unsure, you should ask me, a master of English, which is even better than a doctor of English because it shows I had the practical knowledge to know when to get out.

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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I think alot these classic authors would be better appreciated by kids in their shorter works

    Short stories are easier to digest and you can take the time to actually teach some of the prose rather than slogging through a chapter a night

    I think this is a reasonable idea.

    Its why Poe works so well for High Schoolers

    plus there's all the emo shit they love

    hey Tell-Tale Heart is great

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited May 2018
    Bogart wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I don't think a book being boring really has anything to do with how good of a reader one is, more so that the content is just not engaging to the person.

    Just like Marvel movies don't really engage with some people.

    I don't think it's particularly controversial to suggest that some people read at different levels than others, even if they understand most of the same words.

    That wasn't what you were suggesting though.

    You suggested they found it boring because they weren't reading right/were big ol' dumbies.

    Not just because the topic matter is boring to them, which, very well might be the case. One might not like Tolkien because he's long winded and pours over the minutia of details about the Elves. One might also not like Tolkien because they don't like orcs and elves and wizards either.

    bowen on
    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Moby Dick, but I've rewritten the chapter on whale biology to be scientific accurate

    more like Moby Dork

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Yeah, Poe is pretty dope, as is Mark Twain. I hope Twain has an essay somewhere where he just drags Hawthorne, because that dude sucks.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I know Alice from the American McGee video game so I get by in conversations.

    PSN: Honkalot
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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 2018
    I think Frankenstein is a fucking amazing book but what a grind for a kid

    It has zero humour. No jokes! Who writes a whole book with no jokes? A girl genius who thinks she's all that and takes herself very seriously, I guess

    You're forgetting the running gag of people greeting the monster with well hello Frankenstein and him saying well no that's the scientist actually.

    Here, in a spectacularly meta gag, is the guy who plays the monster in Penny Dreadful sorting someone out in the sitcom Count Arthur Strong.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVZxhmPlh_0

    Bogart on
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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Twain is one of the historical people I'd like to hang out with the most.

    guy must have been v entertaining company

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Elendil wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Moby Dick, but I've rewritten the chapter on whale biology to be scientific accurate

    more like Moby Dork

    Nice

    *high five*

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    The wait time for this help line is painful

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I think alot these classic authors would be better appreciated by kids in their shorter works

    Short stories are easier to digest and you can take the time to actually teach some of the prose rather than slogging through a chapter a night

    I think this is a reasonable idea.

    Its why Poe works so well for High Schoolers

    plus there's all the emo shit they love

    hey Tell-Tale Heart is great

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    I think Frankenstein is a fucking amazing book but what a grind for a kid

    It has zero humour. No jokes! Who writes a whole book with no jokes? A girl genius who thinks she's all that and takes herself very seriously, I guess

    The goth girl that fucks her boyfriend on top of a grave.

    I missed this part of the book

    I ate an engineer
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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Ayn Rand was just a legit crazy person who appeals to other people who'd like to be crazy too

    she wasn't a philosopher and only an author in the most technical sense

    if she existed today shed be doing youtube videos alongside Jordan Peterson.

    It's reassuringly depressing to realise that fringe intellectuals have been inspiring cult-like followings for decades, if not longer.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Alt post: big tiddy goth frankenstein

    I ate an engineer
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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Alt post: big tiddy goth frankenstein

    ahh, high school

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I think alot these classic authors would be better appreciated by kids in their shorter works

    Short stories are easier to digest and you can take the time to actually teach some of the prose rather than slogging through a chapter a night

    I think this is a reasonable idea.

    Its why Poe works so well for High Schoolers

    plus there's all the emo shit they love

    hey Tell-Tale Heart is great
    I always liked Poe when it wasn't a morality tail, and more open ended. A raven driving a person mad, someone being bricked up beneath a city. Some sort of weird Spanish Inquisition torture porn.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I’ve been in Mark Twain’s house in Hartford

    PSN: Honkalot
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Twain is one of the historical people I'd like to hang out with the most.

    guy must have been v entertaining company

    Twain has the issue of potentially having been a pedophile.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    I’ve been in Mark Twain’s house in Hartford
    I've been to Poe's house in Baltimore. Fite me.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    bowen wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I don't think a book being boring really has anything to do with how good of a reader one is, more so that the content is just not engaging to the person.

    Just like Marvel movies don't really engage with some people.

    I don't think it's particularly controversial to suggest that some people read at different levels than others, even if they understand most of the same words.

    That wasn't what you were suggesting though.

    You suggested they found it boring because they weren't reading right/were big ol' dumbies.

    Not just because the topic matter is boring to them, which, very well might be the case. One might not like Tolkien because he's long winded and pours over the minutia of details about the Elves. One might also not like Tolkien because they don't like orcs and elves and wizards either.

    I said 'sometimes'. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that sometimes when someone says they found a book boring they were in fact not very good at reading it.

    I am not disputing the existence of boring books, or people who understand completely a book and find themselves unmoved and uninterested despite that understanding.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Honk wrote: »
    I’ve been in Mark Twain’s house in Hartford

    I've been in Henry James's house in Rye. It's lovely.

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    IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Tell-Tale Heart wasn't a morality tale, as evidenced by the final line.

    "As the police marched the murderer out, the ghost muttered to himself 'That's what you get, bitch.'"

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I think alot these classic authors would be better appreciated by kids in their shorter works

    Short stories are easier to digest and you can take the time to actually teach some of the prose rather than slogging through a chapter a night

    I think this is a reasonable idea.

    I was introduced to Sherlock via The Speckled Band. Perhaps the longest of his shorties, but a shorty nevertheless

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Boring is usually a really bad criticism because it is mostly used when a person is not engaged with a work for whatever reason.

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    I've read the first and the last ones on that list.
    Rural High School education?

    Probably something like that.

    They had us read The Grapes of Wrath, Anthem, The Fountainhead, Julius Caesar, Hatchet, etc.

    But yeah...
    The Grapes of Wrath: We must have sympathy for the plight of the po-
    The Fountainhead: CRUSH THE POOR

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I know Poe was kinda famous for having an anxious preoccupation with dying young, but I wonder what age people stop trying to console you about that

    “Listen, Eddie, I know this is, like, your whole shtick, but . . . you’re 47. That’s elderly for this era. You’re gonna be fine.”

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I don't think a book being boring really has anything to do with how good of a reader one is, more so that the content is just not engaging to the person.

    Just like Marvel movies don't really engage with some people.

    I don't think it's particularly controversial to suggest that some people read at different levels than others, even if they understand most of the same words.

    That wasn't what you were suggesting though.

    You suggested they found it boring because they weren't reading right/were big ol' dumbies.

    Not just because the topic matter is boring to them, which, very well might be the case. One might not like Tolkien because he's long winded and pours over the minutia of details about the Elves. One might also not like Tolkien because they don't like orcs and elves and wizards either.

    I said 'sometimes'. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that sometimes when someone says they found a book boring they were in fact not very good at reading it.

    I am not disputing the existence of boring books, or people who understand completely a book and find themselves unmoved and uninterested despite that understanding.
    I understand what you are saying.

    But also War and Peace. Like if you read a summery of it, it's like that sounds amazing, there are plots and murder and machinations, and then when you start reading it, it's like how were you able to dry this into it's most boring components.

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    IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I know Poe was kinda famous for having an anxious preoccupation with dying young, but I wonder what age people stop trying to console you about that

    “Listen, Eddie, I know this is, like, your whole shtick, but . . . you’re 47. That’s elderly for this era. You’re gonna be fine.”

    Nah, he's just like most of us.

    "Look, just tell me when they develop the ability to put our brains into golems."

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    Switch - SW-7373-3669-3011
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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Boring is usually a really bad criticism because it is mostly used when a person is not engaged with a work for whatever reason.

    Because it's boring?

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I know Poe was kinda famous for having an anxious preoccupation with dying young, but I wonder what age people stop trying to console you about that

    “Listen, Eddie, I know this is, like, your whole shtick, but . . . you’re 47. That’s elderly for this era. You’re gonna be fine.”

    Usually it is replaced by an anxious preoccupation with the horrors of old age.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    I think Frankenstein is a fucking amazing book but what a grind for a kid

    It has zero humour. No jokes! Who writes a whole book with no jokes? A girl genius who thinks she's all that and takes herself very seriously, I guess

    We read it for book club and most of us hated Dr Frankenstein completely by the end

    The book was fine tho

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    I mean, sometimes when a person says they were bored by a book or a movie or whatever it's because they are a big ol' dumb-dumb.

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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Of that list, I have not read: Sherlock Holmes, David Copperfield, Great Expectations, And Then There Were None.


    I've only ever read one book by Dickens >.<
    But I would never lie about what I read; that's like, pretty core.

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I don't think a book being boring really has anything to do with how good of a reader one is, more so that the content is just not engaging to the person.

    Just like Marvel movies don't really engage with some people.

    I don't think it's particularly controversial to suggest that some people read at different levels than others, even if they understand most of the same words.

    That wasn't what you were suggesting though.

    You suggested they found it boring because they weren't reading right/were big ol' dumbies.

    Not just because the topic matter is boring to them, which, very well might be the case. One might not like Tolkien because he's long winded and pours over the minutia of details about the Elves. One might also not like Tolkien because they don't like orcs and elves and wizards either.

    I said 'sometimes'. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that sometimes when someone says they found a book boring they were in fact not very good at reading it.

    I am not disputing the existence of boring books, or people who understand completely a book and find themselves unmoved and uninterested despite that understanding.
    I understand what you are saying.

    But also War and Peace. Like if you read a summery of it, it's like that sounds amazing, there are plots and murder and machinations, and then when you start reading it, it's like how were you able to dry this into it's most boring components.

    Are we sure Tolkien didn't write War and Peace under a pen name?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    I've read the first and the last ones on that list.
    Rural High School education?

    Probably something like that.

    They had us read The Grapes of Wrath, Anthem, The Fountainhead, Julius Caesar, Hatchet, etc.

    But yeah...
    The Grapes of Wrath: We must have sympathy for the plight of the po-
    The Fountainhead: CRUSH THE POOR

    Is a man not entitled to the sweat of another man’s brow? Or their blood? Or their bones crushed before them? Wait, where are you goin—

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Damn that was my only famous dude house. I played my hand too early

    PSN: Honkalot
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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    William Wordsworth's house in Cockermouth

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    if anything the Tell tale heart is about the banality of evil

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    I've been to the Exorcist stairs.

    They go up.

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