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[Marvel]Thread:From Miniscule Arthropods, Murderous Tex-Mex lovers, and Marvelous Captains

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    The list of gross Bryne stuff is near unending. He retreated into his own personal forum with dedicated fans after pissing people off and that echo chamber made him 10x worse.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    the man compared the use of anti-black racial slurs to calling a thought balloon in comics a thought bubble instead

    Okay I know that this isn't the point of that Spacetwinks tweet, but 1) what and 2) Doesn't everyone call them thought bubbles?

    At least for a long time, people in the big two were absurdly snobbish about using bubble instead of balloon. You can find rants about it in places.

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    I mean I'm just straight up not going to do what he says about things in some cases because I went to Hampshire so I have no feeling of deference towards professors and if I disagree with them I say so <<

    it's just irritating; I'm not trying to emulate 90s Marvel!
    he did this thing the other week where he talked at length about how editors his age often reject people or make fun of them because they use the phrase "Word/Thought Bubble" instead of "Word/Thought Balloon" which apparently he has no problem with but apparently he hears people have problems so serious with that they mock/reject potential employees apparently lmao??

    (balloon is almost exclusively used by old pros/academics and bubble is so common that frankly I've never used anything else and never ever ever hear "balloon" in general discussions with anyone under 50)

    idk the superhero end of the industry seems like an insular disaster from all his anecdotes

    that is useful to hear about imo

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    the man compared the use of anti-black racial slurs to calling a thought balloon in comics a thought bubble instead

    Okay I know that this isn't the point of that Spacetwinks tweet, but 1) what and 2) Doesn't everyone call them thought bubbles?


    It took me awhile to parse that one too. Basically I think he's saying "*specific racial slurs* are a legitimate alternative names for those kinds of people, like how thought bubble is a legitimate alternate term for thought balloon"

    EDIT: Oh nevermind, Couscous' explanation sinks that interpretation.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    You know, for a movement that claims to be outraged about people "pretending to be a minority" in order to get work in the comics industry, Comicsgate has been strangely silent about Cebulski.

    Wait... is it not actually about ethics in comic books?

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    Comicsgate has a somewhat lukewarm relationship with Cebulski. Cebulski cancelled a bunch of comics that the CGers hated. But he's also said some stuff that the CGers don't agree with. So they've got a theory that he's secretly on their side but he's constrained in some way and has to pretend to be a SJW. It's pretty similar to Q-Anon thinking that Trump is a genius or Mueller is actually going after Hillary.

    Comicsgate isn't about ethics in comics. In some ways it's refreshingly honest about kicking out "the SJWs" and "making comics great again".

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    Goddamn John Byrne, you're fucking gross. Have people only started talking about this recently? I had heard of the Lobdell stuff when I started reading about his era on Uncanny X-Men, but had somehow missed John Byrne's shit.

    Byrne, Dixon and Peter David's bad opinions have been known for years. I knew of them at least since the early 2000s.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Comicsgate has a somewhat lukewarm relationship with Cebulski. Cebulski cancelled a bunch of comics that the CGers hated. But he's also said some stuff that the CGers don't agree with. So they've got a theory that he's secretly on their side but he's constrained in some way and has to pretend to be a SJW. It's pretty similar to Q-Anon thinking that Trump is a genius or Mueller is actually going after Hillary.

    Comicsgate isn't about ethics in comics. In some ways it's refreshingly honest about kicking out "the SJWs" and "making comics great again".

    To be fair, if it turned out he was sympathetic to them, I wouldn't exactly be surprised.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    I haven't bought a comic in ages but after discovering what X-Men: Grand Design is I just ordered it and I am so excited.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    mxmarks wrote: »
    I haven't bought a comic in ages but after discovering what X-Men: Grand Design is I just ordered it and I am so excited.

    That's the book just going through their history, but in a coherent manner, right?

  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    All these assholes

    But no

    James Gunn is where you draw the line?

    I know it's different divisions but god, fuck Marvel and fuck Disney.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    All these assholes

    But no

    James Gunn is where you draw the line?

    I know it's different divisions but god, fuck Marvel and fuck Disney.

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    All these assholes

    But no

    James Gunn is where you draw the line?

    I know it's different divisions but god, fuck Marvel and fuck Disney.

    I get the feeling that Gunn was fired so quickly because Disney handled the Lasseter situation so poorly. Either trying to show that they'd react fast to criticism or trying to distract from the news that they were planning on their MeToo affected people returning.

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Cebulski's probably just corporate and would prefer if the whole comicsgate furor went away, he's reprimanded some comics professionals when they engaged with CG trolls. Which plays into CG's hands.

  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Comicsgate doesn’t sincerely believe in anything save “fuck people who look different than me”

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    All these assholes

    But no

    James Gunn is where you draw the line?

    I know it's different divisions but god, fuck Marvel and fuck Disney.

    I get the feeling that Gunn was fired so quickly because Disney handled the Lasseter situation so poorly. Either trying to show that they'd react fast to criticism or trying to distract from the news that they were planning on their MeToo affected people returning.

    I think it had tons to do with Roseanne.

    The situations are vastly different, but not in headlines where it's basically both saying awful things through twitter. They had to let him go, otherwise it would be nothing more than "Disney has liberal bias!.

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    I haven't bought a comic in ages but after discovering what X-Men: Grand Design is I just ordered it and I am so excited.

    That's the book just going through their history, but in a coherent manner, right?

    Yes, it is. Part 4 (or 2 of Second Genesis) came out yesterday. Haven't finished it yet, cause it's a dense read. Piskor changed some things to streamline it a bit more, but so far it has been great.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    The list of gross Bryne stuff is near unending. He retreated into his own personal forum with dedicated fans after pissing people off and that echo chamber made him 10x worse.

    There's an arc in Brian Bendis's Powers where an aging, bitter superman analogue spends his days raging at people on the Internet before going crazy and destroying Jerusalem and Rome. The character is directly based on Byrne and his forum posts.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Also sounds like Superboy Prime.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I think superboy prime is more of a surrogate for shitty fans, but yeah it sort of works

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    IMO, the firing of James Gunn was just a handy way to get rid of someone with out spoken and inflammatory political views. There's no way Disney didn't already know about those tweets (It was literally news when he got hired to direct GotG)

  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro cloaked in the midnight glory of an event horizonRegistered User regular
    Haha what

    pretty funny he two-finger types

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Marvel confirmed that Ms. Marvel has sold over 500,000 trade paperbacks since the series launched in 2013

    For comparison, Infinity Gauntlet has sold around that mark in trade and it is 26 years old

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I saw a gator claiming just the other day that Kamala Khan was not a real success because her series doesn't rank very high on the Diamond charts.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Well, Diamond is awful, so who cares

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I saw a gator claiming just the other day that Kamala Khan was not a real success because her series doesn't rank very high on the Diamond charts.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Well, Diamond is awful, so who cares

    My point, yes.

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Marvel confirmed that Ms. Marvel has sold over 500,000 trade paperbacks since the series launched in 2013

    For comparison, Infinity Gauntlet has sold around that mark in trade and it is 26 years old

    Ms. Marvel has been my favorite book since I started reading it two years ago, so this makes me very happy.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2018
    never die wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Marvel confirmed that Ms. Marvel has sold over 500,000 trade paperbacks since the series launched in 2013

    For comparison, Infinity Gauntlet has sold around that mark in trade and it is 26 years old

    Ms. Marvel has been my favorite book since I started reading it two years ago, so this makes me very happy.

    The only real stumble I've seen was because of stuff completely out of Wilson's control, and she did her best.

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    In brighter (although still fucked up that it is necessary) news, Charles Soule, who was on that panel but did not say anything shitty, is offering free consultation and legal advice to any non-US comics creators who are going/planning to travel to the US for conventions or meetings, as he was an Immigration lawyer for a long time before becoming a writer

    I wonder if he could extend it to the MtG artists who got detained by ICE?

  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    never die wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Marvel confirmed that Ms. Marvel has sold over 500,000 trade paperbacks since the series launched in 2013

    For comparison, Infinity Gauntlet has sold around that mark in trade and it is 26 years old

    Ms. Marvel has been my favorite book since I started reading it two years ago, so this makes me very happy.

    The only real stumble I've seen was because of stuff completely out of Wilson's control, and she did her best.

    Is this a reference to the Civil War 2 tie in? Because that was a redeeming force on that entire shitty event.

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    never die wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Marvel confirmed that Ms. Marvel has sold over 500,000 trade paperbacks since the series launched in 2013

    For comparison, Infinity Gauntlet has sold around that mark in trade and it is 26 years old

    Ms. Marvel has been my favorite book since I started reading it two years ago, so this makes me very happy.

    The only real stumble I've seen was because of stuff completely out of Wilson's control, and she did her best.

    Is this a reference to the Civil War 2 tie in? Because that was a redeeming force on that entire shitty event.

    Yeah, the Ms. Marvel Covil War II tie-in was the only tie-in I liked.

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Power Man and Iron Fist also had a great tie-in

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Power Man and Iron Fist also had a great tie-in

    I did not read that one, I’ll look it up.

    Also, Ms. Marvel had a phenomenal tie-in with Secret Empire.

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    PM&IF is one of the best books Marvel has done since Secret Wars and I am so sad they canned it for 2 mediocre solo books

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I mean yes, they were much better than their main books; they were still tie ins, which is why I say they were dips in quality

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    PM&IF is one of the best books Marvel has done since Secret Wars and I am so sad they canned it for 2 mediocre solo books

    I thought they mainly canned it so Bendis could do a Defender series

    which he bailed on pretty quickly

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    PM&IF is one of the best books Marvel has done since Secret Wars and I am so sad they canned it for 2 mediocre solo books

    I thought they mainly canned it so Bendis could do a Defender series

    which he bailed on pretty quickly
    Maybe? Probably a mix of both since they also launched Luke Cage from Walker and Iron Fist from Brisson around the same time

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    PM&IF is one of the best books Marvel has done since Secret Wars and I am so sad they canned it for 2 mediocre solo books

    I thought they mainly canned it so Bendis could do a Defender series

    which he bailed on pretty quickly

    I don't think "signed an exclusive contract" equals "bailed on"

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Why not?

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