DepressperadoI just wanted to see you laughingin the pizza rainRegistered Userregular
edited August 2019
why don't lightsaber fighters ever like
use the Force to move the... magnetic field, I think? that holds the lightsaber blade in?
You clash with your foe and are doing the face-to-face grimacing at each other thing and you Force bend the upper half of the blade 90 degrees and surprise you cut that dude's head right open
edit: or like, a lightchakram that you just send zipping all around
hit me up Disney, I got all the dumb lightsaber ideas
use the Force to move the... magnetic field, I think? that holds the lightsaber blade in?
You clash with your foe and are doing the face-to-face grimacing at each other thing and you Force bend the upper half of the blade 90 degrees and surprise you cut that dude's head right open
There's a graphic out there with some "unconventional" saber moves, and one of them is pretty close - using Force Pull to yank the other guy's face into your (or his?) blade.
use the Force to move the... magnetic field, I think? that holds the lightsaber blade in?
You clash with your foe and are doing the face-to-face grimacing at each other thing and you Force bend the upper half of the blade 90 degrees and surprise you cut that dude's head right open
There's a graphic out there with some "unconventional" saber moves, and one of them is pretty close - using Force Pull to yank the other guy's face into your (or his?) blade.
The problem is that very few force powers are as instantaneous as they would need to be to be used in such a way.
Would you want to distract your focus from not being laser decapitated for the chance at pulling your opponent's face onto your blade?
And that whole "turn your blade off then back on really quickly" sounds great, except it takes time to turn your blade off and back on. It's fast (unless the plot requires otherwise) but it's not instantaneous, and during that quarter to half second, you're defenseless against the guy you're fighting, who is close enough for you to consider trying something like that, and also didn't deactivate their lightsaber.
Maybe this is me being generous and filling in a blank for the movies
But I always just sort of assumed that when folks are clashing lightsabers, there's always an element of them trying to use the force against each other, and that's an unseen fight that's happening while the swordfight is happening
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I’ve read some interesting theory-crafting on Twitter today. I’ll post two tweets which are the start of two separate threads, but won’t post them all. Really intriguing speculation imo. Lot of spoilers for Charles Soule’s Vader comic series.
I swear there was a book or a comic back in the dark times (the 90's) where someone used the Force to bend their saber's beam to make a shield or something like that.
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Those threads are fascinating and I need to start reading SW comics yesterday, thank you for sharing
Man it would be cool to see a lightsaber fight with two people trying to out Force each other in the middle of it.
There's a segment in Episode 3 that I've always assumed is supposed to be this, when Anakin and Obi-Wan are standing near each other, swinging their swords but not hitting each other
I mean, I know it's probably really just bad choreography, but it feels out of place, somehow
Maybe this is me being generous and filling in a blank for the movies
But I always just sort of assumed that when folks are clashing lightsabers, there's always an element of them trying to use the force against each other, and that's an unseen fight that's happening while the swordfight is happening
Yeah, I've always figured it's kinda like the Wheel of Time in that regard, where only users of the One Power can see the 'weaves' of the Power, and any normal person watching a fight between two users of the OP would just see two people grunting and staring at each other. That sort of thing.
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DepressperadoI just wanted to see you laughingin the pizza rainRegistered Userregular
Man it would be cool to see a lightsaber fight with two people trying to out Force each other in the middle of it.
There's a segment in Episode 3 that I've always assumed is supposed to be this, when Anakin and Obi-Wan are standing near each other, swinging their swords but not hitting each other
I mean, I know it's probably really just bad choreography, but it feels out of place, somehow
No, you were right the first time, it's just ridiculous choreography.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
Man it would be cool to see a lightsaber fight with two people trying to out Force each other in the middle of it.
There's a segment in Episode 3 that I've always assumed is supposed to be this, when Anakin and Obi-Wan are standing near each other, swinging their swords but not hitting each other
I mean, I know it's probably really just bad choreography, but it feels out of place, somehow
And they do it again in episode 4, but the cinematic twist is that it is portrayed as slow, clunky sword play instead.
I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
but I do like to think that in-universe, Vader and Obi-Wan just knew each other so well that with a little bit of Force assist, they just basically stalemated and knew they had no opening on each other until Obi-Wan gave up.
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I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
but I do like to think that in-universe, Vader and Obi-Wan just knew each other so well that with a little bit of Force assist, they just basically stalemated and knew they had no opening on each other until Obi-Wan gave up.
I know somewhere I once read the theory that in lightsaber duels, both sides always have a little bit of spidey-sense going, and have a sense of how the next second or so is likely to play out. So in slower-paced duels, every muscle twitch is playing out as a full move in both of their heads, and they're just waiting for the moments when it looks like things go their way.
I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
but I do like to think that in-universe, Vader and Obi-Wan just knew each other so well that with a little bit of Force assist, they just basically stalemated and knew they had no opening on each other until Obi-Wan gave up.
It's also a samurai fight, it's supposed to be all about the tension and build up to the strike, not about fancy swordplay. The whole OT sticks to this theme. The PT goes for more of a Wuxia vibe which could work but feels weird in the context of the established universe. The ST seems to be going for more of a medieval knights / long swords style thing which is at least closer to pacing and beats of the samurai fights of the OT.
I am of course an expert at sword stuff being a straight white male.
I would buy that I'd they actually showed the classic samurai cinematography, like closeups focusing on their eyes, adjusting their grip, etc. Basically, everything we got in that Obi-Wan vs. Maul rematch from Rebels. Go watch it again, it's fantastic.
I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
The fight choreographer and Vader's stunt double for the fights for Episodes 4-6 (and many other films) was Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencer and president of the British Academy of Fencing in the 60s and 70s. That EP4 fight is clearly influence by the fencing style. Which for a weapon that can cripple, kill, or completely slice you in half without requiring any force behind the blow, I'd say fencing slow probing and quick strikes seems as good a match as any for that. The later movies flashy spins, flips, and big arm twirling and flailing motions would just get you killed in a real fight. At worst you can say things were slowed down too much so Guiness could handle it.
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I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
The fight choreographer and Vader's stunt double for the fights for Episodes 4-6 (and many other films) was Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencer and president of the British Academy of Fencing in the 60s and 70s. That EP4 fight is clearly influence by the fencing style. Which for a weapon that can cripple, kill, or completely slice you in half without requiring any force behind the blow, I'd say fencing slow probing and quick strikes seems as good a match as any for that. The later movies flashy spins, flips, and big arm twirling and flailing motions would just get you killed in a real fight. At best you can say things were slowed down so Guiness could handle it.
I mean, in episode 4 the behind the scenes canon was that the sabers were immensely heavy when turned on.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
The fight choreographer and Vader's stunt double for the fights for Episodes 4-6 (and many other films) was Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencer and president of the British Academy of Fencing in the 60s and 70s. That EP4 fight is clearly influence by the fencing style. Which for a weapon that can cripple, kill, or completely slice you in half without requiring any force behind the blow, I'd say fencing slow probing and quick strikes seems as good a match as any for that. The later movies flashy spins, flips, and big arm twirling and flailing motions would just get you killed in a real fight. At best you can say things were slowed down so Guiness could handle it.
I mean, in episode 4 the behind the scenes canon was that the sabers were immensely heavy when turned on.
Yes, Luke really looked like he was straining with effort as he casually wiggles the lightsaber around one handed the very first time Kenobi hands it to him.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
The fight choreographer and Vader's stunt double for the fights for Episodes 4-6 (and many other films) was Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencer and president of the British Academy of Fencing in the 60s and 70s. That EP4 fight is clearly influence by the fencing style. Which for a weapon that can cripple, kill, or completely slice you in half without requiring any force behind the blow, I'd say fencing slow probing and quick strikes seems as good a match as any for that. The later movies flashy spins, flips, and big arm twirling and flailing motions would just get you killed in a real fight. At best you can say things were slowed down so Guiness could handle it.
I mean, in episode 4 the behind the scenes canon was that the sabers were immensely heavy when turned on.
Yes, Luke really looked like he was straining with effort as he casually wiggles the lightsaber around one handed the very first time Kenobi hands it to him.
Lucas later changed his mind about the thing but I assure you this was part of his process for designing the original lightsaber fights in episode 4.
See also: there is no underwear in space, put on the duct tape.
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When I first heard the theory about lightsabers having a strong gyroscopic force to them, I just imagined them getting dropped by accident and going ape shit all over the room like an angry fire hose
I know the actual reason the duel in ep4 is slow and clunky is they just winged it and had no real fight choreography
The fight choreographer and Vader's stunt double for the fights for Episodes 4-6 (and many other films) was Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencer and president of the British Academy of Fencing in the 60s and 70s. That EP4 fight is clearly influence by the fencing style. Which for a weapon that can cripple, kill, or completely slice you in half without requiring any force behind the blow, I'd say fencing slow probing and quick strikes seems as good a match as any for that. The later movies flashy spins, flips, and big arm twirling and flailing motions would just get you killed in a real fight. At best you can say things were slowed down so Guiness could handle it.
I mean, in episode 4 the behind the scenes canon was that the sabers were immensely heavy when turned on.
Yes, Luke really looked like he was straining with effort as he casually wiggles the lightsaber around one handed the very first time Kenobi hands it to him.
IIRC, they weren't meant to be heavy, so much as displaying heavy gyroscopic forces that would make sword fighting effectively with them difficult or impossible for a non force user. Picking them up and swinging them around, sure. But going toe to toe with another person swinging a magic space sword of cut-anything? Not so much.
Of course, at one point in time, light sabers were standard issue for Storm Troopers, so, stuff gets changed.
I still want to go to Galaxy's Edge and pay a bunch of money to make my own lightsaber and then pay a bunch more money to customize it further and get a belt clip and also a belt and a yellow khyber crystal and and and
I still want to go to Galaxy's Edge and pay a bunch of money to make my own lightsaber and then pay a bunch more money to customize it further and get a belt clip and also a belt and a yellow khyber crystal and and and
The cognitive dissonance of knowing that whole thing is just paying absurd amounts of money for an experience at the end of which I get a toy I built from prefab parts is not strong enough to get me to not do it.
There are very few things anyone could have done to Disneyland to make me more excited about it than I was as a youth, but Star Wars Land has fucking shattered every ounce of common sense I have.
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use the Force to move the... magnetic field, I think? that holds the lightsaber blade in?
You clash with your foe and are doing the face-to-face grimacing at each other thing and you Force bend the upper half of the blade 90 degrees and surprise you cut that dude's head right open
edit: or like, a lightchakram that you just send zipping all around
hit me up Disney, I got all the dumb lightsaber ideas
There's a graphic out there with some "unconventional" saber moves, and one of them is pretty close - using Force Pull to yank the other guy's face into your (or his?) blade.
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
The problem is that very few force powers are as instantaneous as they would need to be to be used in such a way.
Would you want to distract your focus from not being laser decapitated for the chance at pulling your opponent's face onto your blade?
And that whole "turn your blade off then back on really quickly" sounds great, except it takes time to turn your blade off and back on. It's fast (unless the plot requires otherwise) but it's not instantaneous, and during that quarter to half second, you're defenseless against the guy you're fighting, who is close enough for you to consider trying something like that, and also didn't deactivate their lightsaber.
But I always just sort of assumed that when folks are clashing lightsabers, there's always an element of them trying to use the force against each other, and that's an unseen fight that's happening while the swordfight is happening
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There's a segment in Episode 3 that I've always assumed is supposed to be this, when Anakin and Obi-Wan are standing near each other, swinging their swords but not hitting each other
I mean, I know it's probably really just bad choreography, but it feels out of place, somehow
Yeah, I've always figured it's kinda like the Wheel of Time in that regard, where only users of the One Power can see the 'weaves' of the Power, and any normal person watching a fight between two users of the OP would just see two people grunting and staring at each other. That sort of thing.
Man, has anyone ever done the "to be continued" meme but with Darth Maul igniting the second blade of his lightsaber?
those are good trailers
No, you were right the first time, it's just ridiculous choreography.
And they do it again in episode 4, but the cinematic twist is that it is portrayed as slow, clunky sword play instead.
but I do like to think that in-universe, Vader and Obi-Wan just knew each other so well that with a little bit of Force assist, they just basically stalemated and knew they had no opening on each other until Obi-Wan gave up.
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
I know somewhere I once read the theory that in lightsaber duels, both sides always have a little bit of spidey-sense going, and have a sense of how the next second or so is likely to play out. So in slower-paced duels, every muscle twitch is playing out as a full move in both of their heads, and they're just waiting for the moments when it looks like things go their way.
It's also a samurai fight, it's supposed to be all about the tension and build up to the strike, not about fancy swordplay. The whole OT sticks to this theme. The PT goes for more of a Wuxia vibe which could work but feels weird in the context of the established universe. The ST seems to be going for more of a medieval knights / long swords style thing which is at least closer to pacing and beats of the samurai fights of the OT.
I am of course an expert at sword stuff being a straight white male.
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
The fight choreographer and Vader's stunt double for the fights for Episodes 4-6 (and many other films) was Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencer and president of the British Academy of Fencing in the 60s and 70s. That EP4 fight is clearly influence by the fencing style. Which for a weapon that can cripple, kill, or completely slice you in half without requiring any force behind the blow, I'd say fencing slow probing and quick strikes seems as good a match as any for that. The later movies flashy spins, flips, and big arm twirling and flailing motions would just get you killed in a real fight. At worst you can say things were slowed down too much so Guiness could handle it.
I mean, in episode 4 the behind the scenes canon was that the sabers were immensely heavy when turned on.
Yes, Luke really looked like he was straining with effort as he casually wiggles the lightsaber around one handed the very first time Kenobi hands it to him.
Lucas later changed his mind about the thing but I assure you this was part of his process for designing the original lightsaber fights in episode 4.
See also: there is no underwear in space, put on the duct tape.
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IIRC, they weren't meant to be heavy, so much as displaying heavy gyroscopic forces that would make sword fighting effectively with them difficult or impossible for a non force user. Picking them up and swinging them around, sure. But going toe to toe with another person swinging a magic space sword of cut-anything? Not so much.
Of course, at one point in time, light sabers were standard issue for Storm Troopers, so, stuff gets changed.
Get on it, Lucasfilm. Outdo the Hyper Beam Javelin
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That was cruel.
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The cognitive dissonance of knowing that whole thing is just paying absurd amounts of money for an experience at the end of which I get a toy I built from prefab parts is not strong enough to get me to not do it.
There are very few things anyone could have done to Disneyland to make me more excited about it than I was as a youth, but Star Wars Land has fucking shattered every ounce of common sense I have.