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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Like, the tech stuff behind Stadia is really cool. And they're trying to make games more accessible to more people by reducing the fixed costs people have to pay to access games (the hardware + software costs).

    But also the business models I envision them doing is just...yuck.

    Naturally the extent to which these savings occur will be the determining factor, but if you told me I could either pay $60 for a game, or sit through an hour of advertisements and then pay $30 instead, I'd consider that a pretty good deal.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    hmm hmm I see *writes down 'would be willing to watch an hour of advertisements and pay $60 instead of paying $90'*

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    The YouTube integration I can see literally being a nightmare hellscape, especially with google's track record.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Everything becomes a service.

    "It's kind of awesome, but I'm kind of legit shook"

    Yeah same.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    we heard millenials love to rent things

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Just ask Blockbuster!

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they went with a model where the price is the same as on whatever platform, just you're buying it through Google so they get a cut. Running ads through it I hadn't even considered and... boy that does not sound appealing.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I get how big the game streaming market has grown. But man I just do not like it.

    Watching this google conference on Stadia legit makes me less and less interested in games.

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Pay a fee or your game is going to have commercial breaks. Even with the fee expect initial load adds.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Honestly the best thing google ever gave me other than the task app in gmail was the Roboto font family.

    Good font. Looks nice. Very sleek. Much wowe.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    I don't understand why having a Netflix for games would be a bad thing.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    I don't understand why having a Netflix for games would be a bad thing.

    That's not the bad part. That's pretty cool!

    It's the business models you can easily envision Google using alongside Stadia. Again, Google generates almost 90% of its revenue from selling advertisements. I can't imagine them not continuing that even with a subscription model.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    oh my god we could inject ads for other games into a game while a game is loading

    watch an ad to upgrade your lootbox from rare to legendary

    interstitial ads for Appleby's and Grammarly during cutscenes

    abilities on cooldown? watch this ad to speed it up!

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    Games with advertising already existed. That's already a thing.

    I doubt they'd edit games into the code of a game or something, more likely you'll see ads around the frame of the window (which you can hide if you don't want to see it by going full screen). Sort of like how IGN has advertising that changes the color/theme of their site. Along with your usual top/bottom/side/wherever banner ads.

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    schussschuss Registered User regular
    Asking data scientists to be more human is a fools errand. Their lives are not guided by empathy as much as the relentless pursuit of objective fact.

    I think it's neat, as the whole game console cycle is enormously wasteful. Think of system/game updates, download time, cable hookups etc. Just gone. No one will miss anything but offline function. That said, I have full faith Google will screw this up.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    Games with advertising already existed. That's already a thing.

    I doubt they'd edit games into the code of a game or something, more likely you'll see ads around the frame of the window (which you can hide if you don't want to see it by going full screen). Sort of like how IGN has advertising that changes the color/theme of their site. Along with your usual top/bottom/side/wherever banner ads.

    And I definitely don't like it.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i used onlive what is now 8 or 9 years ago

    it was fine. at the time it was a convenient and novel service that did just well enough to get me the game (some Splinter Cell sequel) at just enough quality and speed to be playable at a time i didn't have a good computer to play it

    but digital ownership & services have gotten so insanely sketch over the past few years this is no longer on the table for me

    it's bad enough using a reputable service like PSN and getting locked out of your save files because you're not online for it to call home

    i buy discs any time it's convenient for me to do so

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I guess maybe I'm in a weird space where I simultaneously hate consumerism but like having private property.

    Having grown up with shitty internet I just always think back to that kind of stuff when it comes to this.

    Also, again, it's Google. They are basically The Corporation now

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Honestly I'm OK with renting media and at least these services will remove that weird grey area. It's explicitly a service that you use to play games. Ownership never enters the equation.

    Now I do hope that methods remain to purchase games and own them. As they are two very different markets, especially in regards to the average persons internet access (speaking of the usa specifically)

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    "I like being able to own stuff but I dislike the horrific remorseless drive for profit and the exploitation of workers and consumers thereof that is the hallmark of modern capitalism, and the more I think about it the more it disturbs me" is a pretty reasonable and increasingly common take I think

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Although I suppose that's more personal than private property

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    "I like being able to own stuff but I dislike the horrific remorseless drive for profit and the exploitation of workers and consumers thereof that is the hallmark of modern capitalism, and the more I think about it the more it disturbs me" is a pretty reasonable and increasingly common take I think

    Pretty much yeah. Like, people on the left call me a capitalist because I like having ownership over things, people on the right call me a socialist because I hate the drive for profit and want to work in government service (at the local sector) and hate consumerism.

    It's always a fun place to be ideologically speaking.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Yeah I feel like google should already be broken up as a monopoly so *shrug*

    They kinda half-assedly already did that! Now there's Alphabet!

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    I've resigned myself to the fact that our children and their mutant children will grow up in mega-cities surrounded by blasted wasteland, and I think the United Google Cities would probably be the best to live in

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I could definitely reasonably argue the right to personal property in a socialist context being extremely important in any free society, so I definitely don't think they're incompatible by any stretch.

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Although I suppose that's more personal than private property

    Yeah. I see having a copy of your favorite movie or game on a disk as being personal property which is distinct from private property which is the means that capital uses to exploit Labor...

    For example imho youtube? It's used to spread lets plays and game reviews and video essays and the like. And Google exploits the labor of the uploaders to make huge advertising profits.

    That there makes youtubes nature as proprietary tech and as a corporate commercial instituition a decent example of private property in the modern age. Much like Factory space and machines last century.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Oh yeah personal property is a thing socialists don't want to touch, you are absolutely allowed to have your own toothbrush. Only capitalist trolls insist that socialism means everyone shares the same bowl and spoon.

    It's more that private property is bad - one person should not be able to have total ownership and control of a national airport, for example - it should be owned and controlled by the people of that nation (even if by an elected governing body of citizens and industry experts as opposed to having to hold a national referendum on every decision made at and for said airport - if the carpet in departure lounge B is getting a bit stained and ratty, let it be replaced efficiently without having every adult in the country vote on it)

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Yeah I feel like google should already be broken up as a monopoly so *shrug*

    They kinda half-assedly already did that! Now there's Alphabet!

    that's not breaking them up, that's a holding company they created to own "google inc." for legal fig leaf reasons I don't entirely understand
    they're not splitting off the operating parts into independent companies

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Yeah I feel like google should already be broken up as a monopoly so *shrug*

    They kinda half-assedly already did that! Now there's Alphabet!

    that's not breaking them up, that's a holding company they created to own "google inc." for legal fig leaf reasons I don't entirely understand
    they're not splitting off the operating parts into independent companies

    Yeah, not even close to the same thing.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I guess maybe I'm in a weird space where I simultaneously hate consumerism but like having private property.

    Having grown up with shitty internet I just always think back to that kind of stuff when it comes to this.

    Also, again, it's Google. They are basically The Corporation now

    Private property is not the same thing as personal property

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    socialism means I can bust into your kitchen, slap the spoon out of your mouth, and put my entire ass in your cereal

    and you can't do SHIT to stop me

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    socialism means I can bust into your kitchen, slap the spoon out of your mouth, and put my entire ass in your cereal

    and you can't do SHIT to stop me

    why would i want to

    normally i have to pay for such services

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    socialism means I can bust into your kitchen, slap the spoon out of your mouth, and put my entire ass in your cereal

    and you can't do SHIT to stop me

    Don't threaten me with a good time.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    I don't understand why having a Netflix for games would be a bad thing.

    The real issue would be the Spotify for games. Because while triple A games take in cash and would probably survive. This would give fuck all to indie developers.

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    I have a 6 mbps connection, max. Usually hovers around half that. It is literally my only option. Streaming videos games at better then 480p is not an option for me or millions of other people. Plus, all of you in the US realize that buried deep in the fine print you have a data point at which your ISP will throttle your speed right? How long do you think you can stream a game at 4k, around 60mbps, before your ISP throttles you down to dial up? This wasn't a viable market last time and I don't think it is one now.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    I don't understand why having a Netflix for games would be a bad thing.

    The network infrastructure to accommodate this kind of platform doesn't exist. There simply isn't enough fibre in the ground

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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    Looks like the next generation of Apple Airpods got announced. Going to give those a shot

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Looks like the next generation of Apple Airpods got announced. Going to give those a shot

    You can get them with or without a wireless charging case. With case they are $200. With non-wireless case they are $160. The case can be bought separately for people with old airpods for $80.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Hmmm.

    Bit better battery and integrated hey Siri. Considering my watch does hey Siri anyway, these aren't really functions that I'm after.

    I might get the new case though.

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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    Looks like the next generation of Apple Airpods got announced. Going to give those a shot

    You can get them with or without a wireless charging case. With case they are $200. With non-wireless case they are $160. The case can be bought separately for people with old airpods for $80.

    Yeah I just put in an order for the normal case. Not at all interested in the wireless charging, figure the amount of charge the case can hold will make it really not that much of a burden to plug it in on occasion

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