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[Sysadmin] Improper Wireshark use has restarted the editor wars.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    A gooder example of this in action is telephone vs snail mail.

    A conversation via telephone has lots of little back and forth communications very quickly instead of one large chunk of back and forth at a time. So even though the throughput is relatively low on the telephone in comparison, it's much lower in latency and you can get work done quicker doing it that way.

    But when you need to send large amounts of data, it's easier to chunk it like a letter. This is why data recovery systems like carbonite will send you a hard drive next day in the event of a failure... because transferring large amounts of data over low throughput systems is not really feasible at all, and often costs more than just doing it the old fashion way.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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  • mojojoeomojojoeo A block off the park, living the dream.Registered User regular
    "We are going to double our retail footprint without any additional poersonel."
    "Oh and all the other companies in the umbrella are in a growth pattern too"

    Time to finish my certs and get going I guess.

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  • CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    Jesus Fucking Christ.

    I just ran into the dumbest fucking problem with my DC migration for this client.

    Attempting to add the AD DS role failed with no error message given. Tried doing it via PowerShell, and it got to 24% and stalled, and then just... Went away. Powershell was still open but it went back to its command prompt and the progress bar just disappeared. No error, no nothing. Nothing in the event logs anywhere.

    Turns out if you have folder redirection enabled for Documents, and you try to add roles & features, it fails.

    Fucking cool. Ok, lets get a temp OU whipped up and block the folder redirection policy.


    .....Uh... where's the fucking folder redirection policy....?

    OH RIGHT THEY ADDED IT TO THE GODDAMN DEFAULT DOMAIN POLICY WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ADD ANYTHING OH LOOK THERE'S A GAJILLION OTHER POLICIES CONFIGURED HERE TOO.

    God dammit, this is why you don't change the default domain policy.

    /rant

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Just thought of an idea for my speed issue. I used to have one of those wireless connections, probably similar to what @Thawmus works with. The connection was good when it worked but for the most part it was laggy and would drop constantly, it got worse when the parent company changed and the guy that did the install was too chicken-shit to put the antenna at the top of the mast and instead pointed it through the trees.

    We have a new building that is around 30-40ft at the peak and has very little tree coverage. I still haven't run electrical to it so maybe I'll bury some cat6 with it since I would like a connection out there anyway. Maybe the wireless provider got their shit together in the past 4 years since I dropped their service and I can actually get the 25Mb they advertise.

    Are you working with a shelter belt or are there just trees everywhere? Is there a point past the treeline where someone could put a pole?

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    ISP's actually intentionally do that to confuse people. Making things difficult for the general public to understands increases the ability/odds of an up sell. I used to have some contacts with an area ISP and they straight up told me plan names and advertising is designed that way on purpose to up sell.

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    ISP's actually intentionally do that to confuse people. Making things difficult for the general public to understands increases the ability/odds of an up sell. I used to have some contacts with an area ISP and they straight up told me plan names and advertising is designed that way on purpose to up sell.

    Initially? Yes.

    Currently? Only the big boys are in a position to change the narrative, anymore. It's lived for far too long. I tried a couple times, it was futile as hell.

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    @schuss

    A couple of alternatives that nobody has mentioned yet (or else I missed them) are Ethernet-over-powerline and Ethernet-over-coax.

    I don't use powerline. I had bad experiences with it back in the dark ages but I've read that the modern generation of the technology works well.

    I use Ethernet-over-coax. Specifically, I use the Actiontec MoCA adapters. They are a bit spendy (around $70-90 per adapter IIRC) but they work very well.

    I have MoCA feeding my home office and two access points on different floors.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    I'm currently paying for gigabit but I rarely get above about 200-300Mbit in proper throughput. The problem isn't my end; it's the servers and services where the information is stored. I'm in a 2-yr agreement, but I wanted to give it a shot and see how life-changing it would be. It is decidedly not. I may downgrade back to 100-200Mbit when our contract is up; we'll see what they are offering then.

    That all being said, I was considering a mesh system for a while, but first I tried a new router with a higher end throughput (for both wired and wireless), and it turned out I had good signal strength all over the house [TPLink AP that I got on sale for $60; I can try to dig up the model number later]. My place is ~2400 sq ft and the service comes in through the basement. The [FiOS] gateway sits on my desk on the first floor and is hard wired directly to my wifi router. Both sit in the ~NW corner of the first floor. I still get a decent signal (about 50% strength) in my bedroom, which is upstairs and at the opposite end of the house.

    Paying for gigabit and getting 900Mbit would be acceptable. Getting only 2-300 is a point where I would call them in violation of their contract. That's not even close to advertised speeds.

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Random q for everyone - we just dropped the TV part of cable and juiced our internet to 400mbps, but current wifi (just a carrier thing) sucks.
    Looking to get my own modem and proper wifi setup. Would people still recommend UBNT or one of the new mesh setups? Will most likelyneed to wirelessly chain things as we have no Ethernet upstairs and the cable comes in on one basement corner.
    Alternatively - how hard is running Ethernet?

    But why though? What could you possibly be doing that needs that much throughput?

    4-5 people streaming and playing games might not want to take a hit on their throughput.

    Plus fast steam downloads.

    Speed needs are mostly based on both of us regularly working from home via vpn and we both work with relatively large data volumes/sets, so it needs to work when we need it.
    My wife has had issues in the past with the speeds not being where they need to be and farming stuff out to co-workers,not where we want to be.
    Also 400 was only 20 bucks more than base.

    bowen
  • CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    This client has a DHCP Scope named "Static IPs".

    There are no active leases.

    There are no reservations.

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  • MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    I'm currently paying for gigabit but I rarely get above about 200-300Mbit in proper throughput. The problem isn't my end; it's the servers and services where the information is stored. I'm in a 2-yr agreement, but I wanted to give it a shot and see how life-changing it would be. It is decidedly not. I may downgrade back to 100-200Mbit when our contract is up; we'll see what they are offering then.

    That all being said, I was considering a mesh system for a while, but first I tried a new router with a higher end throughput (for both wired and wireless), and it turned out I had good signal strength all over the house [TPLink AP that I got on sale for $60; I can try to dig up the model number later]. My place is ~2400 sq ft and the service comes in through the basement. The [FiOS] gateway sits on my desk on the first floor and is hard wired directly to my wifi router. Both sit in the ~NW corner of the first floor. I still get a decent signal (about 50% strength) in my bedroom, which is upstairs and at the opposite end of the house.

    Paying for gigabit and getting 900Mbit would be acceptable. Getting only 2-300 is a point where I would call them in violation of their contract. That's not even close to advertised speeds.

    If I run Speedtest.net or Fast.com, I get 760-850 Mbit. I know for a fact my actual throughput is much less but I lack the knowledge to easily track it. Can ClearWire track speeds, or does it only track which services/apps/programs are accessing your connection?

  • CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    Side note, I quite like SpeedOf.Me for speed tests, it's HTML 5 and isn't leaning on flash or java.

    That also means it works on mobile devices, like iPhones that can't run flash.

    Cog on
  • CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    Side side note, what the fuck Apple, it's 2018, get your shit together and give us flash.

  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Cog wrote: »
    Side side note, what the fuck Apple, it's 2018, get your shit together and give us flash.

    Flash is a scourge and the sooner it dies the better.

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    Why would you ask for flash? Are you in danger? Is this your way of telling us you're being abducted by a sentient printer?

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    I'm currently paying for gigabit but I rarely get above about 200-300Mbit in proper throughput. The problem isn't my end; it's the servers and services where the information is stored. I'm in a 2-yr agreement, but I wanted to give it a shot and see how life-changing it would be. It is decidedly not. I may downgrade back to 100-200Mbit when our contract is up; we'll see what they are offering then.

    That all being said, I was considering a mesh system for a while, but first I tried a new router with a higher end throughput (for both wired and wireless), and it turned out I had good signal strength all over the house [TPLink AP that I got on sale for $60; I can try to dig up the model number later]. My place is ~2400 sq ft and the service comes in through the basement. The [FiOS] gateway sits on my desk on the first floor and is hard wired directly to my wifi router. Both sit in the ~NW corner of the first floor. I still get a decent signal (about 50% strength) in my bedroom, which is upstairs and at the opposite end of the house.

    Paying for gigabit and getting 900Mbit would be acceptable. Getting only 2-300 is a point where I would call them in violation of their contract. That's not even close to advertised speeds.
    Mugsley wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    I'm currently paying for gigabit but I rarely get above about 200-300Mbit in proper throughput. The problem isn't my end; it's the servers and services where the information is stored. I'm in a 2-yr agreement, but I wanted to give it a shot and see how life-changing it would be. It is decidedly not. I may downgrade back to 100-200Mbit when our contract is up; we'll see what they are offering then.

    That all being said, I was considering a mesh system for a while, but first I tried a new router with a higher end throughput (for both wired and wireless), and it turned out I had good signal strength all over the house [TPLink AP that I got on sale for $60; I can try to dig up the model number later]. My place is ~2400 sq ft and the service comes in through the basement. The [FiOS] gateway sits on my desk on the first floor and is hard wired directly to my wifi router. Both sit in the ~NW corner of the first floor. I still get a decent signal (about 50% strength) in my bedroom, which is upstairs and at the opposite end of the house.

    Paying for gigabit and getting 900Mbit would be acceptable. Getting only 2-300 is a point where I would call them in violation of their contract. That's not even close to advertised speeds.

    If I run Speedtest.net or Fast.com, I get 760-850 Mbit. I know for a fact my actual throughput is much less but I lack the knowledge to easily track it. Can ClearWire track speeds, or does it only track which services/apps/programs are accessing your connection?

    If Fast is giving you that speed, that's what you're getting. The rest is dependent on what devices you are using, and what service you're talking about. PSN has like one CDN, for instance, so your throughput there is going to be garbage, while Steam is fantastic.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Today I used powershell to write config files to feed into a python script that set up alarms in AWS.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    Cog wrote: »
    Side side note, what the fuck Apple, it's 2018, get your shit together and give us flash.

    Flash is a scourge and the sooner it dies the better.

    I dislike Flash greatly and never want to use it. However, I dislike more when I need to use Flash, and browsers and devices make it even more difficult or impossible to use because they feel it shouldn't be used.

    I feel the same about Java web apps. So. Many. Security. Prompts.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    This seems like a reasonable place to put this link

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Well I guess if a clan is going to take forever I will just have to use a VPN into the openstack network.

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  • CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

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  • MyiagrosMyiagros Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Just thought of an idea for my speed issue. I used to have one of those wireless connections, probably similar to what @Thawmus works with. The connection was good when it worked but for the most part it was laggy and would drop constantly, it got worse when the parent company changed and the guy that did the install was too chicken-shit to put the antenna at the top of the mast and instead pointed it through the trees.

    We have a new building that is around 30-40ft at the peak and has very little tree coverage. I still haven't run electrical to it so maybe I'll bury some cat6 with it since I would like a connection out there anyway. Maybe the wireless provider got their shit together in the past 4 years since I dropped their service and I can actually get the 25Mb they advertise.

    Are you working with a shelter belt or are there just trees everywhere? Is there a point past the treeline where someone could put a pole?

    The antenna they installed previously pointed NE, we have two large pines in that direction. It was find when the first company installed it about 15ft above our roof but then they were bought out and they came to install a new one and put it 5 ft up pointing directly through the pines. 3-4 visits and they couldn't fix the problem so we ditched them. Both the barn and the new building are away from the house and have no tree coverage. I might see if they can offer a speed guarantee for the first month or so and if I consistently get close to advertised then I'll switch back to them.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Cog wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

    Who the fuck is still using flash in 2018 other than shitty porn websites and their flashplayer for streaming?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Cog wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

    Who the fuck is still using flash in 2018 other than shitty porn websites and their flashplayer for streaming?

    Shitty other websites, fuck, I don't know. Also some web based vendor apps I run into.

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Just thought of an idea for my speed issue. I used to have one of those wireless connections, probably similar to what @Thawmus works with. The connection was good when it worked but for the most part it was laggy and would drop constantly, it got worse when the parent company changed and the guy that did the install was too chicken-shit to put the antenna at the top of the mast and instead pointed it through the trees.

    We have a new building that is around 30-40ft at the peak and has very little tree coverage. I still haven't run electrical to it so maybe I'll bury some cat6 with it since I would like a connection out there anyway. Maybe the wireless provider got their shit together in the past 4 years since I dropped their service and I can actually get the 25Mb they advertise.

    Are you working with a shelter belt or are there just trees everywhere? Is there a point past the treeline where someone could put a pole?

    The antenna they installed previously pointed NE, we have two large pines in that direction. It was find when the first company installed it about 15ft above our roof but then they were bought out and they came to install a new one and put it 5 ft up pointing directly through the pines. 3-4 visits and they couldn't fix the problem so we ditched them. Both the barn and the new building are away from the house and have no tree coverage. I might see if they can offer a speed guarantee for the first month or so and if I consistently get close to advertised then I'll switch back to them.

    I see. I was just curious if they could have done a pole installation all along. We do them regularly, everyone's got trees, sometimes you just gotta put shit past the treeline and trench the cable back.

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    In other news, I just landed a pretty big negotiation for a tower site that's going to put us in reach of 3 actual townships who are using satellite providers right now (satellite providers are eeeeeaaaaasy pickin's for a WISP).

    So I'm taking tomorrow off and I'm going to smoke pork shoulder and chuck roast and drink beer and play video games.

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  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    In other news, I just landed a pretty big negotiation for a tower site that's going to put us in reach of 3 actual townships who are using satellite providers right now (satellite providers are eeeeeaaaaasy pickin's for a WISP).

    So I'm taking tomorrow off and I'm going to smoke pork shoulder and chuck roast and drink beer and play video games.

    That's really cool. I need some WISP to come out and sell real internet to my dad. He lives in AZ, literally nothing grows there and it's flat as hell, should be easy for a WISP.

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    edited August 2018
    LD50 wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    In other news, I just landed a pretty big negotiation for a tower site that's going to put us in reach of 3 actual townships who are using satellite providers right now (satellite providers are eeeeeaaaaasy pickin's for a WISP).

    So I'm taking tomorrow off and I'm going to smoke pork shoulder and chuck roast and drink beer and play video games.

    That's really cool. I need some WISP to come out and sell real internet to my dad. He lives in AZ, literally nothing grows there and it's flat as hell, should be easy for a WISP.

    I hesitate to say it should or shouldn't be easy, because the geography plays so many roles. You don't have physical obstruction, but how far out do you have to build your first fiber Point of Presence? How much existing infrastructure can you use, and is buying land and building towers something you can get an ROI on? How close does everyone live to each other? If you put up a tower, how many people can you hit in a 4.5 mile radius? Just a lot of stuff I don't know enough about to really say one way or the other.

    I know cell providers in the Las Vegas area have to use church steeples and other tall buildings for their infrastructure. I just don't know enough about whether that's a geography thing or a government thing.

    EDIT: I can comment on Australia, though. I know they licensed 700 Mhz and just threw a lot of power at everything. I think they did 45 mile shots with it. It was part of their National Broadband project.

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  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Looking into it, there is one WISP in the area that I think covers his property. I'm not sure if it's a good deal though.

    Whatever it is, it has to be better than the 100% shit DSL from centurylink he has now.

    Thawmus
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    bowen wrote: »
    Cog wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

    Who the fuck is still using flash in 2018 other than shitty porn websites and their flashplayer for streaming?

    Nimble SANs
    Inlighten Digital Marketing boxes
    Anybody still on VMware 6.0
    Lots of web conferencing hosts (like Adobe Connect)

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
    Cog
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    Those are the ones I run into constantly

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    LD50 wrote: »
    Looking into it, there is one WISP in the area that I think covers his property. I'm not sure if it's a good deal though.

    Whatever it is, it has to be better than the 100% shit DSL from centurylink he has now.

    Oh yeah, quality in WISP's is a fucking kaleidoscope, believe me.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Cog wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

    Who the fuck is still using flash in 2018 other than shitty porn websites and their flashplayer for streaming?

    Nimble SANs
    Inlighten Digital Marketing boxes
    Anybody still on VMware 6.0
    Lots of web conferencing hosts (like Adobe Connect)

    fuck 'em

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Also I've never managed any of that stuff with my phone, ever.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Cog wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

    Who the fuck is still using flash in 2018 other than shitty porn websites and their flashplayer for streaming?

    Nimble SANs
    Inlighten Digital Marketing boxes
    Anybody still on VMware 6.0
    Lots of web conferencing hosts (like Adobe Connect)

    fuck 'em

    I mean, I like to say this....

    But if the difference between making a website that requires flash, ActiveX, and IE 6.0 is making $165,000 or not making $165,000, my fucking principles can take a back seat and buckle the fuck up.

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    bowen wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Cog wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why use flash when you have HTML5 Canvas, CSS, and JS?

    It's not that I love flash or I'm desperate to have it, I just want a more native experience on some websites. It's a necessary evil in some cases. I agree that HTML5 is a much better option, but not everyone who publishes web content also feels that way, and if they make something available only in flash, it annoys me to be locked out of that content.

    Who the fuck is still using flash in 2018 other than shitty porn websites and their flashplayer for streaming?

    Nimble SANs
    Inlighten Digital Marketing boxes
    Anybody still on VMware 6.0
    Lots of web conferencing hosts (like Adobe Connect)

    fuck 'em

    rolleyes.gif

    Yeah we're not going to overhaul our entire virtualization and storage infrastructure because they still require flash

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
    ThawmusCog
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Damn I'm vastly underpaid (also I still don't manage this shit with my phone).

    I understand that there's lots of our tech uses flash still because $$$$ but I've never thought to myself "gee I need to log in to VMWare's web stuff on my phone" I'll just stop by a PC somewhere. Guaranteed there's one within a stones throw of me I can use.

    If I'm out and about, I probably don't have good cell service anyways.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    y'all are telling me you sit there with your iphones and log into flash management tools? You're making that shit up, it doesn't happen with regularity and if it does it's emergent enough that you're not going to want to use the phone anyways.

    Don't be silly just to justify the shitty tech.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    I don't understand where the mobile phone comes into it

    I must have missed a post

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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