I know at this point basically nothing will do it at this point, but pardoning an actual honest to god foreign spy might actually peel off some Republicans at least a little.
Everybody knows what's up. The only way that this Russia stuff actually hurts Trump (and thus would distance the GOP from him) is if his base cares about it, and so far, it appears the only thing they care about is whether or not Trump looks like what they think a badass looks like.
I don't agree with this. There is certainly a hardened core of true-believers, but they are utterly dwarfed by the numbers of people who are either apathetic or simply half-informed.
I meant withing the GOP.
As I mentioned, his base doesn't care either way.
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I know at this point basically nothing will do it at this point, but pardoning an actual honest to god foreign spy might actually peel off some Republicans at least a little.
Everybody knows what's up. The only way that this Russia stuff actually hurts Trump (and thus would distance the GOP from him) is if his base cares about it, and so far, it appears the only thing they care about is whether or not Trump looks like what they think a badass looks like.
I don't agree with this. There is certainly a hardened core of true-believers, but they are utterly dwarfed by the numbers of people who are either apathetic or simply half-informed.
I meant withing the GOP.
As I mentioned, his base doesn't care either way.
I meant the GOP, too.
I don't think they're all true believers, I think the majority are just super duper clueless. Helsinki might be a watershed- which isn't to say it's a silver bullet- all it takes is one crack to form in these people's psyches that will widen every time Trump pulls something similar.
I see no way in which the fall's purported meet up with Putin in DC works out for Trump.
I know at this point basically nothing will do it at this point, but pardoning an actual honest to god foreign spy might actually peel off some Republicans at least a little.
"When I said 'pardon her', what I actually meant to say was "don't pardon her.'"
Like, Flynn might be the first person in the history f the united states to straight up refuse a presidential pardon.
Yeah, unless the pardon is for more than the convicted/plead crimes, but "all crimes relating to", and that Flynn's son gets a similar one (seemingly the only reason Elder Flynn is dealing is to protect that little shit), it's probably in his best interest overall to refuse.
I know at this point basically nothing will do it at this point, but pardoning an actual honest to god foreign spy might actually peel off some Republicans at least a little.
Why?
Basically everything horrible he's done has only been horrible to liberals or democrats. Blatant corruption? Don't look too closely, most of them are guilty. White Supremacy? This is the GOP bby. But its a party of old Cold War mentality war hawks. If he pardons a Russian spy it would be something they'd actually view as outrageous, at least some of them, theoretically.
I know at this point basically nothing will do it at this point, but pardoning an actual honest to god foreign spy might actually peel off some Republicans at least a little.
Why?
Basically everything horrible he's done has only been horrible to liberals or democrats. Blatant corruption? Don't look too closely, most of them are guilty. White Supremacy? This is the GOP bby. But its a party of old Cold War mentality war hawks. If he pardons a Russian spy it would be something they'd actually view as outrageous, at least some of them, theoretically.
This is only a problem for trump if they care enough to do something about it.
Because Trump very clearly threw the intelligence community under the bus so he could score points with Vlad sempai and their outrage over this was exorcised by the most half assed explanation I've ever seen that is competely at odds with everything he's said for the past 2 years.
I know at this point basically nothing will do it at this point, but pardoning an actual honest to god foreign spy might actually peel off some Republicans at least a little.
Why?
Basically everything horrible he's done has only been horrible to liberals or democrats. Blatant corruption? Don't look too closely, most of them are guilty. White Supremacy? This is the GOP bby. But its a party of old Cold War mentality war hawks. If he pardons a Russian spy it would be something they'd actually view as outrageous, at least some of them, theoretically.
I would love to agree with you on that last point, but given what we have seen thus far, within the GOP, I personally don't think that sentiment holds water. I think even the theoretical idea that anyone who could be considered a rational actor in the GOP wants to contribute to rooting out the corruption is entirely too generous beyond some tweets not directed @realDonaldTrump. If we only take into account what we actually know then the Cold War hawks would have already found their ideological/political hill to die on. Given the toothless statements from the GOP leadership who have already stated they won't be running for office again I think giving them any credit is not a given.
I'm honestly not sure which thread to throw this into, but whatever.
Sounds like, in the absence of any direction by the President's administration, the Department of Justice has announced they're going to flat out blow the whistle on any future instances of a foreign power attempting to influence an election.
"The government will inform American companies, private organizations and individuals that they are being covertly attacked by foreign actors attempting to affect elections or the political process."
This implies that the government will be informing individuals and organizations but not "the public". So if Facebook doesn't want to disclose then we're still boned.
Whats this about handing over ambassadors? Did I miss something in the last thread?
The "really interesting" deal that Putin proposed in Helsinki was to allow Mueller to interview the agents he indicted last Friday in exchange for the US sending to Russia persons of interest related to Magnitsky to face "justice." One of those is former Ambassador to Russia McCaul.
No. The deal was for Russia to “help us in our investigation”. It was 100% not to give us the indicted Russians.
The part about the indicted Russians was added later by the White House.
I think it was interview... in Russia. Putin was never going to give them to us. Well, actually he was never going to do any of it because it wasn't a serious proposal.
While I seriously doubt Putin cares, it should be pointed out that Article 61 of the Russian constitution literally forbids the state from extraditing Russian citizens.
I missed the last couple of pages from the previous thread. Was this talked about?
The Twitter user is not one I'm familiar with but Alexander Torshin is the one they wrote a thread about with links to actual (live) tweets and screencaps from the man.
Torshin is saying that Donald Trump Jr. is interested in cooperating with Russia on Feb 13 2016.
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I made an assumption that people knew who Torshin was. I guess I was wrong in that assumption. That has less to do with Bogart and more to do with wanting to inform people if they did not know.
A bit. The point is that if you post a thing and everyone reading it immediately has to ask you who is talking, why should I care and what does it say more work needs to be done on your post before you hit send.
The rush to get something posted before anyone else or posting on mobile when typing out long posts is annoying aren't reasons to post without attributing tweets or explaining who the tweeters are or what the foreign language tweet actually says. They're reasons to not post until you can do so with the necessary attribution, translation and explanation.
Wait, can we force private citizens to go to hostile foreign powers to be disappeared or worse?
I thought this was America?!
Well, no, we can't. But Trump was interested in trying.
And this is pretty much why I have to recommend to overseas embassay workers and ambassadors get back to the US ASAP. It is pretty likely this stuff would get shot down in court rapidly but that does not help you if you are in a foreign country when Trump suddenly decides to stop caring you are a diplomat.
But... why the fuck would you just say that on Twitter? I get that being brazen and coyly daring anyone to call them on it is part of the fun/gag for them, but surely 'just Tweet that shit out' isn't... oh god we've found Russia's Trump Jr!
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The thread is about the Mueller investigation, not 'future hacking' or people retiring from the FBI unless they are citing the investigation as a reason for doing so, and even then it's not all that related to the central topic at hand, which is the investigation itself.
Like, Flynn might be the first person in the history f the united states to straight up refuse a presidential pardon.
I doubt Trump wants to pardon Flynn anyhow. His plea bargain implies cooperation, cooperation means he wasn’t loyal to Trump, which pretty much makes him an anti-person in Trump’s eyes.
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Whats this about handing over ambassadors? Did I miss something in the last thread?
Putin offered to let Americans interrogate the 12 indicted Russian government officials if Trump would send over several Americans to Russia to be interrogated, including a former US ambassador to Russia.
You see, Donald Trump is a vocabulary textualist, who uses words in their traditional root forms. So, when he said 'incredible', he means that the offer was 'not credible', not like you silly millenials use it to mean something good.
FWIW, and I won't go in to who or where, but there are people within the IC whose job is to work on the troll problem. They have some of the most popular inter-agency reports while simultaneously being the most pitied.
FWIW, and I won't go in to who or where, but there are people within the IC whose job is to work on the troll problem. They have some of the most popular inter-agency reports while simultaneously being the most pitied.
And this is absolutely what modern warfare looks like and everyone needs to be prepared. The minute Russian hit Georgia or Ukraine, their state-backed and merely independently patriotic troll forces were out in force fighting the information war. And that shit matters. Especially in a democracy.
Like, Flynn might be the first person in the history f the united states to straight up refuse a presidential pardon.
I doubt Trump wants to pardon Flynn anyhow. His plea bargain implies cooperation, cooperation means he wasn’t loyal to Trump, which pretty much makes him an anti-person in Trump’s eyes.
Possibly, but trump has shown himself to be stubborn with his desires and he really wanted to do something with Flynn despite how utterly compromised he was owing to how he thought the investigation would just blow over.
So far the only thing people seem to have picked up from the texts is that Manafort is an abusive monster who did some fucked up shit against his wife, which doesn't seem relevant enough to post here.
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I meant withing the GOP.
As I mentioned, his base doesn't care either way.
I meant the GOP, too.
I don't think they're all true believers, I think the majority are just super duper clueless. Helsinki might be a watershed- which isn't to say it's a silver bullet- all it takes is one crack to form in these people's psyches that will widen every time Trump pulls something similar.
I see no way in which the fall's purported meet up with Putin in DC works out for Trump.
"When I said 'pardon her', what I actually meant to say was "don't pardon her.'"
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Basically everything horrible he's done has only been horrible to liberals or democrats. Blatant corruption? Don't look too closely, most of them are guilty. White Supremacy? This is the GOP bby. But its a party of old Cold War mentality war hawks. If he pardons a Russian spy it would be something they'd actually view as outrageous, at least some of them, theoretically.
This is only a problem for trump if they care enough to do something about it.
Because Trump very clearly threw the intelligence community under the bus so he could score points with Vlad sempai and their outrage over this was exorcised by the most half assed explanation I've ever seen that is competely at odds with everything he's said for the past 2 years.
I would love to agree with you on that last point, but given what we have seen thus far, within the GOP, I personally don't think that sentiment holds water. I think even the theoretical idea that anyone who could be considered a rational actor in the GOP wants to contribute to rooting out the corruption is entirely too generous beyond some tweets not directed @realDonaldTrump. If we only take into account what we actually know then the Cold War hawks would have already found their ideological/political hill to die on. Given the toothless statements from the GOP leadership who have already stated they won't be running for office again I think giving them any credit is not a given.
The've shown themselves to be perfectly willing to eject them in the face of the lowing masses of the base.
Sounds like, in the absence of any direction by the President's administration, the Department of Justice has announced they're going to flat out blow the whistle on any future instances of a foreign power attempting to influence an election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-plans-to-alert-public-to-foreign-operations-targeting-us-democracy/2018/07/19/d010e3a6-8b8d-11e8-85ae-511bc1146b0b_story.html?utm_term=.b905f73d9c66
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...I don't know if that doesn't leak almost immediately
"The government will inform American companies, private organizations and individuals that they are being covertly attacked by foreign actors attempting to affect elections or the political process."
This implies that the government will be informing individuals and organizations but not "the public". So if Facebook doesn't want to disclose then we're still boned.
While I seriously doubt Putin cares, it should be pointed out that Article 61 of the Russian constitution literally forbids the state from extraditing Russian citizens.
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I missed the last couple of pages from the previous thread. Was this talked about?
The Twitter user is not one I'm familiar with but Alexander Torshin is the one they wrote a thread about with links to actual (live) tweets and screencaps from the man.
Torshin is saying that Donald Trump Jr. is interested in cooperating with Russia on Feb 13 2016.
"Maria Butina is now in the United States. Writes to me that D. Trump (member of NRA) is really for cooperation with Russia."
Translated by Microsoft so probably not exact, but I dunno how it could be very far off the mark.
Then he quotes a tweet from a russia website at lenta.ru
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https://www.vox.com/2018/7/19/17581354/maria-butina-russia-nra-trump
Torshin is a russian bank official that is connected to the NRA and Maria Butina.
I made an assumption that people knew who Torshin was. I guess I was wrong in that assumption. That has less to do with Bogart and more to do with wanting to inform people if they did not know.
A bit. The point is that if you post a thing and everyone reading it immediately has to ask you who is talking, why should I care and what does it say more work needs to be done on your post before you hit send.
The rush to get something posted before anyone else or posting on mobile when typing out long posts is annoying aren't reasons to post without attributing tweets or explaining who the tweeters are or what the foreign language tweet actually says. They're reasons to not post until you can do so with the necessary attribution, translation and explanation.
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And this is pretty much why I have to recommend to overseas embassay workers and ambassadors get back to the US ASAP. It is pretty likely this stuff would get shot down in court rapidly but that does not help you if you are in a foreign country when Trump suddenly decides to stop caring you are a diplomat.
Actually @So It Goes @ElJeffe @Bogart Just checking if stuff about future hacking is allowable here. Seems reasonable to me, but I want to double check.
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EDIT: actually on second thought that thread is more general about e-voting systems.
The retiring FBI peeps still isn't on topic here tho.
I doubt Trump wants to pardon Flynn anyhow. His plea bargain implies cooperation, cooperation means he wasn’t loyal to Trump, which pretty much makes him an anti-person in Trump’s eyes.
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You see, Donald Trump is a vocabulary textualist, who uses words in their traditional root forms. So, when he said 'incredible', he means that the offer was 'not credible', not like you silly millenials use it to mean something good.
FWIW, and I won't go in to who or where, but there are people within the IC whose job is to work on the troll problem. They have some of the most popular inter-agency reports while simultaneously being the most pitied.
And this is absolutely what modern warfare looks like and everyone needs to be prepared. The minute Russian hit Georgia or Ukraine, their state-backed and merely independently patriotic troll forces were out in force fighting the information war. And that shit matters. Especially in a democracy.
Funny, that.
Possibly, but trump has shown himself to be stubborn with his desires and he really wanted to do something with Flynn despite how utterly compromised he was owing to how he thought the investigation would just blow over.
I can't help but land on this being super gross.