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In which we will probably continue talking about shitty people getting other shitty people fired from awesome jobs.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    It's all fucked, burn it all down and start over with the Bonobos.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The problem here is that the alt-right grumblegrooter's tactics got rewarded and they'll continue with them, trying to take down anyone who dissents with Trump and the alt-right.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Today I realized I've never seen Excalibur
    Is that a movie I should see

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    The problem here is that the alt-right grumblegrooter's tactics got rewarded and they'll continue with them, trying to take down anyone who dissents with Trump and the alt-right.

    Yeah, Disney needs to not hire anther older white dude as his replacement.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    Not a fan of holding (most) negative words or actions over someone's head who's apologized for them and proven that they've moved on from them. I've spent too much of my life in and around addiction to think otherwise. And I understand that Gunn isn't an addict (that we know of) and so forth. This sort of thing just makes me uncomfortable is all.

    This ain't a call-out or an invitation to fight, but this post helped my codify one of my many conflicted feelings, here. The phrase "proven that they've moved on from them." Who got to decide that? Him? He forgave himself? Or a corporation that wanted him to make them money forgave him? Did the folks who were hurt by his shit "jokes" forgive him? I genuinely don't know if they have, because nobody's talking to them (yet)

    There's this assumption in the narrative building around this. That, because he deleted his shit, he has moved on. But I'm not sure he gets to make the call on "moving on." His remorse is not equal to his redemption; I haven't heard anything about him contributing to sexual assault education/recovery organizations, of seeking to make amends with victims, any of that. I've only heard that he deleted some Tweets and hates Trump. Maybe he's done all that other stuff! If he has, maybe that should be the focus of the talk of his redemptive arc, rather than "It was a while ago and he feels bad."

    And to restate something from the tail end of the last thread: I have several feelings about this issue, and about corporations caving to bad faith trolls. That I am not exploring those feelings in this particular post does not mean I don't have them.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    The problem here is that the alt-right grumblegrooter's tactics got rewarded and they'll continue with them, trying to take down anyone who dissents with Trump and the alt-right.

    Yeah, Disney needs to not hire anther older white dude as his replacement.

    This would be ideal

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    Thank God I didn't have twitter when I was young and stupid.

    And five years from now I'll look back and say "What an idiot."

    So I don't have twitter.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Let the wachowski sisters direct guardians 3, and also fire johnny depp

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    We should talk about something more fun. The Human Centipede guy has a new film, I'll find the trailer for *reads* "The Onania Club".

    I'm now being told that if I post that... oh wow, I didn't even know Geth could do that.
    It would absolutely get someone fired from Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Don't look it up, it's not even particularly gross, just entirely in bad taste.

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Let the wachowski sisters direct guardians 3, and also fire johnny depp

    I AM SO ON BOARD FOR THIS.

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Let the wachowski sisters direct guardians 3, and also fire johnny depp

    Another Marvel series where I'd only like the third movie.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Today I realized I've never seen Excalibur
    Is that a movie I should see

    do you like the Arthurian mythos? It is the most faithful retelling of those stories on film.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    After sense8 and Jupiter Ascending I'm not sure I want the Wachowskis doing stuff but I like where your head's at

    how about we give every single Marvel property to Taika Waititi

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    Not a fan of holding (most) negative words or actions over someone's head who's apologized for them and proven that they've moved on from them. I've spent too much of my life in and around addiction to think otherwise. And I understand that Gunn isn't an addict (that we know of) and so forth. This sort of thing just makes me uncomfortable is all.

    This ain't a call-out or an invitation to fight, but this post helped my codify one of my many conflicted feelings, here. The phrase "proven that they've moved on from them." Who got to decide that? Him? He forgave himself? Or a corporation that wanted him to make them money forgave him? Did the folks who were hurt by his shit "jokes" forgive him? I genuinely don't know if they have, because nobody's talking to them (yet)

    There's this assumption in the narrative building around this. That, because he deleted his shit, he has moved on. But I'm not sure he gets to make the call on "moving on." His remorse is not equal to his redemption; I haven't heard anything about him contributing to sexual assault education/recovery organizations, of seeking to make amends with victims, any of that. I've only heard that he deleted some Tweets and hates Trump. Maybe he's done all that other stuff! If he has, maybe that should be the focus of the talk of his redemptive arc, rather than "It was a while ago and he feels bad."

    And to restate something from the tail end of the last thread: I have several feelings about this issue, and about corporations caving to bad faith trolls. That I am not exploring those feelings in this particular post does not mean I don't have them.

    The remorse vs redemption is something that I hadn't really thought about, and you're right. Not the same thing, and one has no bearing on the other.

    Your mention of charity actually reminded me of another thing he had done a little while back that kind of skeeved me out:

    https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-trump-scale-100000-charity/

    Essentially, he offered to donate a bunch of money to charity if Donald Trump publicly got on a scale to prove his weight.

    Which... Look, I hate the man with a passion, but I'm never going to be okay with making it about his appearance or weight, and especially not mocking those things, and ESPECIALLY not holding a charitable donation over it.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I'd be up for basically anybody else getting a shot at GotG since I didn't particularly love the last two, for what it's worth

    Wachowski Sisters would maybe be a gamble (I love some of their movies but most of them put me to sleep), but I'd totally be interested in seeing what they could do with it at least.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    Not a fan of holding (most) negative words or actions over someone's head who's apologized for them and proven that they've moved on from them. I've spent too much of my life in and around addiction to think otherwise. And I understand that Gunn isn't an addict (that we know of) and so forth. This sort of thing just makes me uncomfortable is all.

    This ain't a call-out or an invitation to fight, but this post helped my codify one of my many conflicted feelings, here. The phrase "proven that they've moved on from them." Who got to decide that? Him? He forgave himself? Or a corporation that wanted him to make them money forgave him? Did the folks who were hurt by his shit "jokes" forgive him? I genuinely don't know if they have, because nobody's talking to them (yet)

    There's this assumption in the narrative building around this. That, because he deleted his shit, he has moved on. But I'm not sure he gets to make the call on "moving on." His remorse is not equal to his redemption; I haven't heard anything about him contributing to sexual assault education/recovery organizations, of seeking to make amends with victims, any of that. I've only heard that he deleted some Tweets and hates Trump. Maybe he's done all that other stuff! If he has, maybe that should be the focus of the talk of his redemptive arc, rather than "It was a while ago and he feels bad."

    And to restate something from the tail end of the last thread: I have several feelings about this issue, and about corporations caving to bad faith trolls. That I am not exploring those feelings in this particular post does not mean I don't have them.

    The remorse vs redemption is something that I hadn't really thought about, and you're right. Not the same thing, and one has no bearing on the other.

    Your mention of charity actually reminded me of another thing he had done a little while back that kind of skeeved me out:

    https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-trump-scale-100000-charity/

    Essentially, he offered to donate a bunch of money to charity if Donald Trump publicly got on a scale to prove his weight.

    Which... Look, I hate the man with a passion, but I'm never going to be okay with making it about his appearance or weight, and especially not mocking those things, and ESPECIALLY not holding a charitable donation over it.

    I don't think that's so much a fat joke as it is a you're a fucking clownshoes transparent narcissist liar statement.

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    After sense8 and Jupiter Ascending I'm not sure I want the Wachowskis doing stuff but I like where your head's at

    how about we give every single Marvel property to Taika Waititi

    They'd probably want some time to pass right now before announcing that they're giving stuff to the funny Hitler guy.

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    TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    Not a fan of holding (most) negative words or actions over someone's head who's apologized for them and proven that they've moved on from them. I've spent too much of my life in and around addiction to think otherwise. And I understand that Gunn isn't an addict (that we know of) and so forth. This sort of thing just makes me uncomfortable is all.

    This ain't a call-out or an invitation to fight, but this post helped my codify one of my many conflicted feelings, here. The phrase "proven that they've moved on from them." Who got to decide that? Him? He forgave himself? Or a corporation that wanted him to make them money forgave him? Did the folks who were hurt by his shit "jokes" forgive him? I genuinely don't know if they have, because nobody's talking to them (yet)

    There's this assumption in the narrative building around this. That, because he deleted his shit, he has moved on. But I'm not sure he gets to make the call on "moving on." His remorse is not equal to his redemption; I haven't heard anything about him contributing to sexual assault education/recovery organizations, of seeking to make amends with victims, any of that. I've only heard that he deleted some Tweets and hates Trump. Maybe he's done all that other stuff! If he has, maybe that should be the focus of the talk of his redemptive arc, rather than "It was a while ago and he feels bad."

    And to restate something from the tail end of the last thread: I have several feelings about this issue, and about corporations caving to bad faith trolls. That I am not exploring those feelings in this particular post does not mean I don't have them.

    You're right, I don't know if he's proven that he's moved on or not. Just speaking from my own experience in having been and continuing to be around people who live in a lot of shame and regret for who they were; perhaps it's something I should better divorce from large-profile things like this. It probably isn't helpful.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Nah, people tie Bad Things About Bad People to appearance far too often and it doesn't just end with Trump, that's a wide ranging issue

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    Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Today I realized I've never seen Excalibur
    Is that a movie I should see

    I shall answer your question with another question.

    How the fuck have you not seen Excalibur!?!

    Also,

    Do you want to see younger, buffer, Patrick Stewart?

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    Not a fan of holding (most) negative words or actions over someone's head who's apologized for them and proven that they've moved on from them. I've spent too much of my life in and around addiction to think otherwise. And I understand that Gunn isn't an addict (that we know of) and so forth. This sort of thing just makes me uncomfortable is all.

    This ain't a call-out or an invitation to fight, but this post helped my codify one of my many conflicted feelings, here. The phrase "proven that they've moved on from them." Who got to decide that? Him? He forgave himself? Or a corporation that wanted him to make them money forgave him? Did the folks who were hurt by his shit "jokes" forgive him? I genuinely don't know if they have, because nobody's talking to them (yet)

    There's this assumption in the narrative building around this. That, because he deleted his shit, he has moved on. But I'm not sure he gets to make the call on "moving on." His remorse is not equal to his redemption; I haven't heard anything about him contributing to sexual assault education/recovery organizations, of seeking to make amends with victims, any of that. I've only heard that he deleted some Tweets and hates Trump. Maybe he's done all that other stuff! If he has, maybe that should be the focus of the talk of his redemptive arc, rather than "It was a while ago and he feels bad."

    And to restate something from the tail end of the last thread: I have several feelings about this issue, and about corporations caving to bad faith trolls. That I am not exploring those feelings in this particular post does not mean I don't have them.

    The remorse vs redemption is something that I hadn't really thought about, and you're right. Not the same thing, and one has no bearing on the other.

    Your mention of charity actually reminded me of another thing he had done a little while back that kind of skeeved me out:

    https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-trump-scale-100000-charity/

    Essentially, he offered to donate a bunch of money to charity if Donald Trump publicly got on a scale to prove his weight.

    Which... Look, I hate the man with a passion, but I'm never going to be okay with making it about his appearance or weight, and especially not mocking those things, and ESPECIALLY not holding a charitable donation over it.

    I don't think that's so much a fat joke as it is a you're a fucking clownshoes transparent narcissist liar statement.

    Even before today's developments I would have an exceedingly hard time taking James Gunn's jokes as having nuance.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    After sense8 and Jupiter Ascending I'm not sure I want the Wachowskis doing stuff but I like where your head's at

    how about we give every single Marvel property to Taika Waititi

    They'd probably want some time to pass right now before announcing that they're giving stuff to the funny Hitler guy.

    oh shit I forgot he floated that idea

    damn it

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    Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    I made a very similar joke as Gunn regarding being raped myself as a child by an uncle just last week.

    That was amongst close family members and it's something I've used humour to deal with for a long long time.

    Making a dumb joke on Twitter just out of the blue like that for no other reason than being edgy or whatever the fuck is a head scratcher. It's not funny. It's offensive to people who don't want to read about rape or be reminded of past trauma. It's just plain dumb.

    Should he have been fired? I'm not sure. Yeah. Probably. But if we really get down to it if Disney gave an actual fuck he'd never even had the job to begin with.

    Disney is a real shitty company that's honestly bordering on a fucking monopoly with the moves by their company.

    I mean how can they take the moral high ground when shitbags like Johnny Depp keep getting paid to phone in some crap for them? Dude is a spousal abusing drug fiend and this isn't a secret. So yeah. Fuck Gunn. Fuck Disney. And fuck the asses that got this controversy rolling.

    With all that said I heard there's a trailer for glass out. Imma check that shit out and report back to you fine folk.

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    3clipse wrote: »
    David_T wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    After sense8 and Jupiter Ascending I'm not sure I want the Wachowskis doing stuff but I like where your head's at

    how about we give every single Marvel property to Taika Waititi

    They'd probably want some time to pass right now before announcing that they're giving stuff to the funny Hitler guy.

    oh shit I forgot he floated that idea

    damn it

    by floated do you mean he's making it into a movie?

    Jojo Rabbit, starring Taiki Waititi as Adolf Hitler: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2584384/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    We should talk about something more fun. The Human Centipede guy has a new film, I'll find the trailer for *reads* "The Onania Club".

    I'm now being told that if I post that... oh wow, I didn't even know Geth could do that.
    It would absolutely get someone fired from Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Don't look it up, it's not even particularly gross, just entirely in bad taste.

    THIS MAN WAS NOT KIDDING.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I think referring to Taika Waititi as the funny Hitler guy is premature as hell.

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    David_T wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    After sense8 and Jupiter Ascending I'm not sure I want the Wachowskis doing stuff but I like where your head's at

    how about we give every single Marvel property to Taika Waititi

    They'd probably want some time to pass right now before announcing that they're giving stuff to the funny Hitler guy.

    oh shit I forgot he floated that idea

    damn it

    Idea?
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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    I mean, I don't take it as a clever joke. More as a clear dig. The dude said he had the same stats as a professional athlete. I can look at that and say uh, no. You're lying but you're too much of a trash person to own up it regardless of incentive.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    David_T wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    After sense8 and Jupiter Ascending I'm not sure I want the Wachowskis doing stuff but I like where your head's at

    how about we give every single Marvel property to Taika Waititi

    They'd probably want some time to pass right now before announcing that they're giving stuff to the funny Hitler guy.

    oh shit I forgot he floated that idea

    damn it

    Idea?
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    I thought he canceled the project. did he not cancel the project?

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Nope that's definitely still happening. It's called Jojo Rabbit and it's currently in production

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    We should talk about something more fun. The Human Centipede guy has a new film, I'll find the trailer for *reads* "The Onania Club".

    I'm now being told that if I post that... oh wow, I didn't even know Geth could do that.
    It would absolutely get someone fired from Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Don't look it up, it's not even particularly gross, just entirely in bad taste.

    THIS MAN WAS NOT KIDDING.

    wow that is maybe the most unbelievably poor taste.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Nope that's definitely still happening. It's called Jojo Rabbit and it's currently in production

    TAIKA WHY

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Nope that's definitely still happening. It's called Jojo Rabbit and it's currently in production

    TAIKA WHY

    He's commented on it in a way that I'm actually pretty confident that, despite not playing the character from a realistic point of view, he is not about to redeem the man in any way.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Nope that's definitely still happening. It's called Jojo Rabbit and it's currently in production

    TAIKA WHY

    https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/jojo-rabbit-taika-waititi-hitler-1201970191/
    Production has begun on “Jojo Rabbit,” and Taika Waititi is making no secret of the intended effect of his war satire: to “piss off a lot of racists.”

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I get "we need to think about them in the context in which they were said" in regards to their being around like 2010 or so

    But like

    Where's the line there? He made a joke about pedophilia and rape victims, and yeah that would have been more widely accepted then but they were still fucking monstrous and horrid. Do you give a pass to every horrible thing someone did or said because it was before everyone got more socially aware?

    It's the same kind of shit as people giving racist grandparents a pass because they were raised "in a different time".

    It's a murky issue because most people are guilty of being a horrible shitstain online, or otherwise, when they were younger (myself included) but at some point it's just an excuse to give a pass for past behavior, whether it is earned or not.

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    We should talk about something more fun. The Human Centipede guy has a new film, I'll find the trailer for *reads* "The Onania Club".

    I'm now being told that if I post that... oh wow, I didn't even know Geth could do that.
    It would absolutely get someone fired from Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Don't look it up, it's not even particularly gross, just entirely in bad taste.

    This is the film equivalent of a clickbait article that's just designed to enrage people with some poorly supported contrarian opinion so everyone will talk about "Look at how fucking awful this is!"

    I wouldn't even do it the justice of calling it 'in poor taste' because it's in no taste. It's calculated and simple and deserves as little attention as possible.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Nope that's definitely still happening. It's called Jojo Rabbit and it's currently in production

    TAIKA WHY

    From everything I've read about it, I'm optimistic that he handles it pretty well. I'm fully aware the one-line summary makes it sound baaaaaaaad. But there's almost certainly more to it than that.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    I don't personally see the benefit in telling an indigenous New-Zealander how it's acceptable to talk about racism.

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    Like does Taika Waititi seriously not have a line of credit on this

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Nope that's definitely still happening. It's called Jojo Rabbit and it's currently in production

    TAIKA WHY

    From everything I've read about it, I'm optimistic that he handles it pretty well. I'm fully aware the one-line summary makes it sound baaaaaaaad. But there's almost certainly more to it than that.
    Yeah I initially thought it sounded like a nightmare but every in depth interview or look at the film looks like Waititi knows exactly what he is doing and isn't fucking around with showing how monstrous the Nazis were in Germany

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