Hey, WoW thread, I just looked at the PTR notes and Whitemane's abilities. Am I missing something or is she going to be shit-awful at healing her team if there are no enemy heroes around? Like even more extreme than Auriel?
Not really. She can talent into a manaless basic heal at 4 and she can take a talent at 1 to turn her beam into something that can heal friends so she has options for efficient healing when there are no enemy around. She's not going to be like Auriel that can't do anything if there's nothing to attack.
Oh. I did not look at her talents, just the basic ability descriptions. That sounds better but it's weird she has to talent into it. I wonder how lopsided her pick rates will be.
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Hey, WoW thread, I just looked at the PTR notes and Whitemane's abilities. Am I missing something or is she going to be shit-awful at healing her team if there are no enemy heroes around? Like even more extreme than Auriel?
Not really. She can talent into a manaless basic heal at 4 and she can take a talent at 1 to turn her beam into something that can heal friends so she has options for efficient healing when there are no enemy around. She's not going to be like Auriel that can't do anything if there's nothing to attack.
Errr, not quite.
That talent reduces the mana cost of her Q by 30, and the base cost is 30.... but the mana cost increases by 60 every time you get a stack of Desperation. So the first is free, the 2nd is 60, and the 3rd is 120. Normally it'd be 30/90/150.
You could, in theory, simply use Q once every 4 seconds (letting Desperation fall off) but the healing is pretty low.
I think the better level 4 talent is the W one that refunds 60 mana per stack of Desperation. You can Q three times hit W and get back 180 mana, that's pretty dope.
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Remember that conversation about PA groups being tough because we don't know who's playing for fun and who's serious? There's another factor to consider: skill gaps. I was just in a game with Ducks and Ant and figure we're getting matched up against Diamond/Masters. Not sure my Silver level is helping that comp.
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Remember that conversation about PA groups being tough because we don't know who's playing for fun and who's serious? There's another factor to consider: skill gaps. I was just in a game with Ducks and Ant and figure we're getting matched up against Diamond/Masters. Not sure my Silver level is helping that comp.
Truth be told, Saeris actually has a higher Unranked MMR than both of us. It can get pretty brutal when we group in general and don't fill out all the spots, especially on the weekends when the player base is all over the place. On typical weeknights we tend to see the same players so it's generally fine.
Prior to you joining we had two games in a row with a player who was just plain terrible (8-death Li Li, 8-death KTZ) and it was just demoralizing. One of the reasons we harp so much on macro play and rotations in PA commentary is that when you get to a certain point, you will absolutely get punished merely for showing your face on the map at the wrong time. If the other team knows you are split they will dive bomb you ASAP and look for a kill, and once they get it they will shove that advantage down your throat. So having one player who just dies constantly is a massive handicap - they will never help you win the game, but they will absolutely lose it for you.
At that point the only way to come back is to win disadvantaged fights, which can be hard to do if all your DPS slots are taken up by the players who are constantly dying.
It reminds me of when I was grinding up HL and I often ignored my team comp to play damage carries. It sounds "toxic" but if you have a micro skill advantage, the best way to leverage that gap is to kill the other team, so you are in fact helping your team win by ensuring that you are maximizing your skill. Of course, if you don't have that skill advantage then you are totally handicapping your own team.
Oh, is that why it keeps making me captain? I'm not very good at banning. If I'm at a higher MMR, I certainly didn't get there by being good at drafting, haha.
I seem to recall you did fine in that game, Dover. I'm not sure what exactly went wrong.
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Sidely, you are just too good at this game. Just face facts.
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Oh, is that why it keeps making me captain? I'm not very good at banning. If I'm at a higher MMR, I certainly didn't get there by being good at drafting, haha.
I seem to recall you did fine in that game, Dover. I'm not sure what exactly went wrong.
for whatever reason i typically end up being the banner in unranked games that i play as well
i hate it cause i panic and never know who to ban
well, less so now since you get two at the start, but.
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Oh, is that why it keeps making me captain? I'm not very good at banning. If I'm at a higher MMR, I certainly didn't get there by being good at drafting, haha.
I seem to recall you did fine in that game, Dover. I'm not sure what exactly went wrong.
for whatever reason i typically end up being the banner in unranked games that i play as well
i hate it cause i panic and never know who to ban
well, less so now since you get two at the start, but.
It's probably the same reason I tend to ban over everyone but Knight and Saeris. We didn't have enough UD games to properly gauge our MMRs, so it was seeded by our Murky-inflated QM MMRs.
I've always been pretty comfortable banning, but that makes sense considering I spend like 70% of my time here complaining about things being bullshit
ok seriously does any one know any good muradin guides/videos?
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Having an awesome night with you guys, but after 5 wins in a row, I gotta call it a night.
Because I've been down that road before. I know where it leads. And I don't wanna go back.
Having an awesome night with you guys, but after 5 wins in a row, I gotta call it a night.
Because I've been down that road before. I know where it leads. And I don't wanna go back.
And you’ve finally run out of booze.
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People keep asking me how to play Dehaka, and maybe most specifically, how to trade favorably in lanes, so I made a quick clip of me punishing a Thrall pretty hard. Thrall's a hero that will outright body Dehaka in lane, just because he has so much damage and self-sustain, there's really nothing Dehaka can do in a straight up fight. Instead, Dehaka has to use the bush to his advantage, and bait Thrall into being overly aggressive. This is how most of Dehaka's lane match-ups go, to be honest; he doesn't really beat anyone, so it's critically important that you're controlling your waves and stalling them outside of your tower range so that these kinds of plays can happen more often.
With regard to that clip -- I had fucked up my stall outside the fort walls, which resulted in the waves meeting in the middle. I stepped into the bush to clear Thrall's vision, then stepped out just long enough to show him where I was. The movement speed from Brushstalker let me evade his root, and when he steps up, he's an easy tongue target. This is the way you should be playing Dehaka in most lanes, to be honest. You can't just go in there and trade, unless you're up against someone that has no self-sustain. Something like 90% of your threat comes from your ability to pull people into tower range when they step out of position. Also, quick tip: a good time to tongue an enemy back into your towers is when they step up to grab their globe.
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Using vision to prevent the other player from attacking you is a good skill to learn in general, too. It is very useful for Dehaka because of the move speed but all heroes benefit from it.
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WHEN THE OTHER TEAM HAS ABATHUR PLEASE STOP TRYING TO 1V1 THE GENJI IT WILL NOT WORK OUT FOR YOU HE IS NOT ALONE
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My entire QM MMR is based around winning 1v1s hard so facing Aba is always an exercise in frustration. He directly counters the one thing I do well!
Might take a little break from HotS. It was going to happen with the release of BfA next week, anyway, but this weekend was a real mess, and I feel like it might be better to start now. The matchmaker is still a disaster, to be honest; about half the time, I'm playing with masters and grandmasters, and the other half, I'm playing with people in gold and platinum. And sometimes, I'm playing with masters and golds in the same match. It's just a complete mess, and it really wears me down sometimes.
Like, we had a match where our DPS was constantly getting caught out of position by Maiev, and even though I PERFECTLY timed Sound Barrier to save them on multiple occasions, and even though Antaeus dropped Bunker to help them avoid the remaining attacks, we still lost. They literally just didn't take the Bunker. They just stood there and ate all the damage that was thrown at them.
Then we had a match on Alterac where we lost all 3 keeps early, but we stayed in the game for another 15-20 minutes and almost won. We literally had it won, but our Johanna had something like 11 deaths and just kept feeding. But even then, we had it won, but our Jaina just refused to play the objective appropriately.
In the end I had something like double the damage of our next highest damage hero (was Thrall) and only one death, compared to the 7+ from everyone else. Why am I in this match, though? I guess that's my frustration; why am I even in this match? It's a total mess.
Decided to try out the Artanis Q build that @MNC Dover recommended a while ago.
I'M IN LOVE Y'ALL
Holy moly it feels like old Artanis's infinite rolling shields on steroids. YOU ALWAYS HAVE SHIELDS UP!! Insane CDR on both Q and Shields and it feels fuckin' awesome to play.
I didn't take Plasma Burn but I should have (thought we could get Target Purified value but no bueno)
the population of unranked is extremely low (like, less than 5% of the game low), and people make groups with crazy mmr brackets.
it's not surprising the matchmaker in unranked is a bit crazy.
This includes us PA'ers, heh. It's hard when you just want to play with friends and people you know but the MMR difference is nuts. Like I shouldn't be in a group with you, or Antaeus, or <insert here > but that's what I do. Like I honestly don't know where I even should be anymore as far as grouping goes. My MMR seems decent-ish when looking at hotslogs but I'm also like HALF the Profile level as everyone else and I know more games = more knowledge so ... <shrug>
I still think maybe I'd have more fun in TL over the other modes but I wonder if it's as dormant as Unranked?
the population of unranked is extremely low (like, less than 5% of the game low), and people make groups with crazy mmr brackets.
it's not surprising the matchmaker in unranked is a bit crazy.
This includes us PA'ers, heh. It's hard when you just want to play with friends and people you know but the MMR difference is nuts. Like I shouldn't be in a group with you, or Antaeus, or <insert here > but that's what I do. Like I honestly don't know where I even should be anymore as far as grouping goes. My MMR seems decent-ish when looking at hotslogs but I'm also like HALF the Profile level as everyone else and I know more games = more knowledge so ... <shrug>
I still think maybe I'd have more fun in TL over the other modes but I wonder if it's as dormant as Unranked?
You're pretty good at the game. Profile level doesn't really mean much. If you win games the matchmaker doesn't really care if you did it by drafting, sick micro plays, great macro gameplay, or being the best cheerleader your team can have it doesn't matter, you're still winning the games. This can be a what makes the game seem frustrating at times as maybe you got like a stack of people who all win by sick tracer micro and you get rolled by a balanced group of macro players, but in the long run those sick tracer players still end up winning a lot of games. There are a lot of things that contribute to winning in a moba and lots of people are good at different parts in differing degrees. That's completely aside from the fact that the PA community has a lot of great mentors like ducks and antaeus that take your game knowledge from zero to hero really quick.
Yeah, my profile level is over 1,000 but I'm not good. It's just a reflection of the fact that I've been playing the game for over 3 years, but that's no cure for stupid fingers.
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the population of unranked is extremely low (like, less than 5% of the game low), and people make groups with crazy mmr brackets.
it's not surprising the matchmaker in unranked is a bit crazy.
This includes us PA'ers, heh. It's hard when you just want to play with friends and people you know but the MMR difference is nuts. Like I shouldn't be in a group with you, or Antaeus, or <insert here > but that's what I do. Like I honestly don't know where I even should be anymore as far as grouping goes. My MMR seems decent-ish when looking at hotslogs but I'm also like HALF the Profile level as everyone else and I know more games = more knowledge so ... <shrug>
I still think maybe I'd have more fun in TL over the other modes but I wonder if it's as dormant as Unranked?
I don't know if this inspires you with confidence, but in the LFG section the game shows me a little star that says you're close to my skill level :P
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Might take a little break from HotS. It was going to happen with the release of BfA next week, anyway, but this weekend was a real mess, and I feel like it might be better to start now. The matchmaker is still a disaster, to be honest; about half the time, I'm playing with masters and grandmasters, and the other half, I'm playing with people in gold and platinum. And sometimes, I'm playing with masters and golds in the same match. It's just a complete mess, and it really wears me down sometimes.
Like, we had a match where our DPS was constantly getting caught out of position by Maiev, and even though I PERFECTLY timed Sound Barrier to save them on multiple occasions, and even though Antaeus dropped Bunker to help them avoid the remaining attacks, we still lost. They literally just didn't take the Bunker. They just stood there and ate all the damage that was thrown at them.
Then we had a match on Alterac where we lost all 3 keeps early, but we stayed in the game for another 15-20 minutes and almost won. We literally had it won, but our Johanna had something like 11 deaths and just kept feeding. But even then, we had it won, but our Jaina just refused to play the objective appropriately.
In the end I had something like double the damage of our next highest damage hero (was Thrall) and only one death, compared to the 7+ from everyone else. Why am I in this match, though? I guess that's my frustration; why am I even in this match? It's a total mess.
Anyway, I might take a little break.
The Bunker thing is what makes Blaze so frustrating to play. Like, it's a conditional save. It's conditional on whether or not your teammate has the awareness and skill to actually use the Bunker when it is dropped.
In those cases I feel like I should just be playing Johanna, because at least I'll have stuns available.
Then again, the Sylvanas decided that instead of running away or using the Bunker, the best thing to do was stand still next to the bunker for 5 seconds and auto attack people. So who knows if Johanna would've been any better, given you have to at least be trying to retreat if you want to survive.
Last night we had 2-3 matches where our solo warrior Johanna took Falling Sword. I will never understand the mentality behind that decision. It's not like we had a dive comp, and even if we did, Blessed Shield would still likely be the better pick. If you're solo warrior Johanna, and you take Falling Sword, you are literally initiating the enemy team onto your backline for free.
We also had a first-pick Samuro on Garden of Terror who insisted we first ban Kael'thas and second ban Arthas. Which, to a certain extent, I get. But THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY JUST GOING TO SNAP PICK AZMO. He's first pick material even if you DON'T have a ton of extra bodies on the field to feed him stacks.
there's a reason bunker's winrate is worse at all levels.
combustion does pretty good damage, is a huge aoe slow, and doesn't rely on your teammates to press a button which basically means bunker is only a self save and blaze's kit isn't good enough generally if you can only use it as a self save.
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Errr, not quite.
That talent reduces the mana cost of her Q by 30, and the base cost is 30.... but the mana cost increases by 60 every time you get a stack of Desperation. So the first is free, the 2nd is 60, and the 3rd is 120. Normally it'd be 30/90/150.
You could, in theory, simply use Q once every 4 seconds (letting Desperation fall off) but the healing is pretty low.
I think the better level 4 talent is the W one that refunds 60 mana per stack of Desperation. You can Q three times hit W and get back 180 mana, that's pretty dope.
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i want to play a reverse draft now idk lol
How does someone un-buy Zarya?
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Reverse draft on that first pick Tassadar was brutal.
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Truth be told, Saeris actually has a higher Unranked MMR than both of us. It can get pretty brutal when we group in general and don't fill out all the spots, especially on the weekends when the player base is all over the place. On typical weeknights we tend to see the same players so it's generally fine.
Prior to you joining we had two games in a row with a player who was just plain terrible (8-death Li Li, 8-death KTZ) and it was just demoralizing. One of the reasons we harp so much on macro play and rotations in PA commentary is that when you get to a certain point, you will absolutely get punished merely for showing your face on the map at the wrong time. If the other team knows you are split they will dive bomb you ASAP and look for a kill, and once they get it they will shove that advantage down your throat. So having one player who just dies constantly is a massive handicap - they will never help you win the game, but they will absolutely lose it for you.
At that point the only way to come back is to win disadvantaged fights, which can be hard to do if all your DPS slots are taken up by the players who are constantly dying.
It reminds me of when I was grinding up HL and I often ignored my team comp to play damage carries. It sounds "toxic" but if you have a micro skill advantage, the best way to leverage that gap is to kill the other team, so you are in fact helping your team win by ensuring that you are maximizing your skill. Of course, if you don't have that skill advantage then you are totally handicapping your own team.
I seem to recall you did fine in that game, Dover. I'm not sure what exactly went wrong.
for whatever reason i typically end up being the banner in unranked games that i play as well
i hate it cause i panic and never know who to ban
well, less so now since you get two at the start, but.
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It's probably the same reason I tend to ban over everyone but Knight and Saeris. We didn't have enough UD games to properly gauge our MMRs, so it was seeded by our Murky-inflated QM MMRs.
I've always been pretty comfortable banning, but that makes sense considering I spend like 70% of my time here complaining about things being bullshit
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With regard to that clip -- I had fucked up my stall outside the fort walls, which resulted in the waves meeting in the middle. I stepped into the bush to clear Thrall's vision, then stepped out just long enough to show him where I was. The movement speed from Brushstalker let me evade his root, and when he steps up, he's an easy tongue target. This is the way you should be playing Dehaka in most lanes, to be honest. You can't just go in there and trade, unless you're up against someone that has no self-sustain. Something like 90% of your threat comes from your ability to pull people into tower range when they step out of position. Also, quick tip: a good time to tongue an enemy back into your towers is when they step up to grab their globe.
Yep that game suuuuucked. Called it quits the whole rest of the weekend after that.
Like, we had a match where our DPS was constantly getting caught out of position by Maiev, and even though I PERFECTLY timed Sound Barrier to save them on multiple occasions, and even though Antaeus dropped Bunker to help them avoid the remaining attacks, we still lost. They literally just didn't take the Bunker. They just stood there and ate all the damage that was thrown at them.
Then we had a match on Alterac where we lost all 3 keeps early, but we stayed in the game for another 15-20 minutes and almost won. We literally had it won, but our Johanna had something like 11 deaths and just kept feeding. But even then, we had it won, but our Jaina just refused to play the objective appropriately.
In the end I had something like double the damage of our next highest damage hero (was Thrall) and only one death, compared to the 7+ from everyone else. Why am I in this match, though? I guess that's my frustration; why am I even in this match? It's a total mess.
Anyway, I might take a little break.
it's not surprising the matchmaker in unranked is a bit crazy.
But it's just one Genji with a funny hat
Decided to try out the Artanis Q build that @MNC Dover recommended a while ago.
I'M IN LOVE Y'ALL
Holy moly it feels like old Artanis's infinite rolling shields on steroids. YOU ALWAYS HAVE SHIELDS UP!! Insane CDR on both Q and Shields and it feels fuckin' awesome to play.
I didn't take Plasma Burn but I should have (thought we could get Target Purified value but no bueno)
Damn it's fuckin' good.
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This includes us PA'ers, heh. It's hard when you just want to play with friends and people you know but the MMR difference is nuts. Like I shouldn't be in a group with you, or Antaeus, or <insert here > but that's what I do. Like I honestly don't know where I even should be anymore as far as grouping goes. My MMR seems decent-ish when looking at hotslogs but I'm also like HALF the Profile level as everyone else and I know more games = more knowledge so ... <shrug>
I still think maybe I'd have more fun in TL over the other modes but I wonder if it's as dormant as Unranked?
You're pretty good at the game. Profile level doesn't really mean much. If you win games the matchmaker doesn't really care if you did it by drafting, sick micro plays, great macro gameplay, or being the best cheerleader your team can have it doesn't matter, you're still winning the games. This can be a what makes the game seem frustrating at times as maybe you got like a stack of people who all win by sick tracer micro and you get rolled by a balanced group of macro players, but in the long run those sick tracer players still end up winning a lot of games. There are a lot of things that contribute to winning in a moba and lots of people are good at different parts in differing degrees. That's completely aside from the fact that the PA community has a lot of great mentors like ducks and antaeus that take your game knowledge from zero to hero really quick.
I don't know if this inspires you with confidence, but in the LFG section the game shows me a little star that says you're close to my skill level :P
The Bunker thing is what makes Blaze so frustrating to play. Like, it's a conditional save. It's conditional on whether or not your teammate has the awareness and skill to actually use the Bunker when it is dropped.
In those cases I feel like I should just be playing Johanna, because at least I'll have stuns available.
Then again, the Sylvanas decided that instead of running away or using the Bunker, the best thing to do was stand still next to the bunker for 5 seconds and auto attack people. So who knows if Johanna would've been any better, given you have to at least be trying to retreat if you want to survive.
Maybe the solution is to always play Murky.
We also had a first-pick Samuro on Garden of Terror who insisted we first ban Kael'thas and second ban Arthas. Which, to a certain extent, I get. But THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY JUST GOING TO SNAP PICK AZMO. He's first pick material even if you DON'T have a ton of extra bodies on the field to feed him stacks.
We actually won that match, though.
combustion does pretty good damage, is a huge aoe slow, and doesn't rely on your teammates to press a button which basically means bunker is only a self save and blaze's kit isn't good enough generally if you can only use it as a self save.