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Trump Admin Immigration Policy Thread - DACA, ICE, Kids In Cages, etc

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    Who here needs another example of the Border Patrol going out of their way to hurt people because they can? Anyone?

    But hey, they're kinda all over the place, aren't they? Something different this time, however, is the accusation of the older brother trafficking his sister. During their daily, routine, trip to school.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    More of this, please.

    U of A students harass, curse Border Patrol agents invited to speak on Career Day
    Denisse Moreno Melchor, a University of Arizona student, set off a firestorm Wednesday when she livestreamed her hysterical reaction to the presence of two Border Patrol agents who were invited to speak to a group of criminal justice majors.

    It was Career Day and the agents were invited by the university’s Criminal Justice Association. Moreno Melcher, of Glendale, was one of several students involved in a demonstration against the Border Patrol.

    Moreno Melchor, listed as a Spanish translation and interpretation major on her Facebook page, disrupted the agents and students while standing just outside the room in which they were meeting.

    “I don’t know who allowed the murder patrol,” said Moreno Melchor while filming the agents through the doorway. “They allow murderers to be on campus where I pay to be here. Murderers! On campus. Murderers! On campus.”

    She expressed her desire for the university to be free of anyone who might offend a student.

    “This is supposed to be a safe space for students but they allow an extension of the KKK into campus. An extension of the KKK into campus!” Moreno Melchor continued, “There are students that pay to be here, pay to be here, that need this to be a safe space for them and we have the KKK and their supporters right here at the U of A.”

    The Arizona Daily Independent really goes out of its way to badly-convey Melchor's position, referring to her response as 'hysterical' and reducing her stance to demanding not to be 'offended', not to mention devoting a ton of real estate to a statement by the aggrieved brownshirts, but it does include a statement by the Students' Union that is very good:
    Earlier this week U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) was present at a career fair host at the University of Arizona. Although we recognize their attendance was solely to recruit students to join their workforce, the presence of uniform to USBP agents on our campus, especially without warning was, is, and will always be immensely harmful to our DACA and undocumented community.

    As the Associated Students of the University of Arizona, we have an obligation and a responsibility to protect, support and speak out for all Wildcats, including our DACA and undocumented students. Simply put, unannounced visits by the U.S. Border Patrol are unacceptable. The same day USBP agents were present on campus, a Tucson family was arrested and detained by USBP only mere miles from the UA. The concerns students have of USBP presence on campus are real, they are valid, and they need to be heard.

    We want to stress the importance of notifying students, especially our DACA and undocumented students, in advance of visits by USBP. It is also necessary to understand the mere presence of USBP on campus creates an environment which negatively impacts our DACA and undocumented community.

    Every single UA student, faculty, and staff deserves and has the right to feel safe within our campus community. ASUA will work with the UA Administration as well as the entire campus community to take necessary steps to ensure all Wildcats feel safe and supported on campus. These steps include assessing changes to UA policy and procedures that better support our students.

    We want to thank every single student and campus member who has raised their voices for our incredible community of DACA and undocumented Wildcats.

    In solidarity,

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  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    Pretty much everyone saw this coming, but the House just fell short of overturning Trump's veto on ending his emergency wall declaration.
    The vote was 248-181, with 14 Republicans voting with Democrats to support the override. It was a steep hill to climb for opponents of Trump's national emergency as the House would have needed two-thirds of its members to back the veto override. Thirteen Republicans voted for the resolution in the first place.

    ...

    The House first passed the bill 245-182.

    ...

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said earlier this month that the National Emergency Act allows for a resolution of disapproval to come up every six months, and Democrats intend to bring it up again then.

    Link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/house-veto-vote-wall-emergency-resolution/index.html

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    TL DR wrote: »
    More of this, please.

    U of A students harass, curse Border Patrol agents invited to speak on Career Day
    Denisse Moreno Melchor, a University of Arizona student, set off a firestorm Wednesday when she livestreamed her hysterical reaction to the presence of two Border Patrol agents who were invited to speak to a group of criminal justice majors.

    It was Career Day and the agents were invited by the university’s Criminal Justice Association. Moreno Melcher, of Glendale, was one of several students involved in a demonstration against the Border Patrol.

    Moreno Melchor, listed as a Spanish translation and interpretation major on her Facebook page, disrupted the agents and students while standing just outside the room in which they were meeting.

    “I don’t know who allowed the murder patrol,” said Moreno Melchor while filming the agents through the doorway. “They allow murderers to be on campus where I pay to be here. Murderers! On campus. Murderers! On campus.”

    She expressed her desire for the university to be free of anyone who might offend a student.

    “This is supposed to be a safe space for students but they allow an extension of the KKK into campus. An extension of the KKK into campus!” Moreno Melchor continued, “There are students that pay to be here, pay to be here, that need this to be a safe space for them and we have the KKK and their supporters right here at the U of A.”

    The Arizona Daily Independent really goes out of its way to badly-convey Melchor's position, referring to her response as 'hysterical' and reducing her stance to demanding not to be 'offended', not to mention devoting a ton of real estate to a statement by the aggrieved brownshirts, but it does include a statement by the Students' Union that is very good:
    Earlier this week U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) was present at a career fair host at the University of Arizona. Although we recognize their attendance was solely to recruit students to join their workforce, the presence of uniform to USBP agents on our campus, especially without warning was, is, and will always be immensely harmful to our DACA and undocumented community.

    As the Associated Students of the University of Arizona, we have an obligation and a responsibility to protect, support and speak out for all Wildcats, including our DACA and undocumented students. Simply put, unannounced visits by the U.S. Border Patrol are unacceptable. The same day USBP agents were present on campus, a Tucson family was arrested and detained by USBP only mere miles from the UA. The concerns students have of USBP presence on campus are real, they are valid, and they need to be heard.

    We want to stress the importance of notifying students, especially our DACA and undocumented students, in advance of visits by USBP. It is also necessary to understand the mere presence of USBP on campus creates an environment which negatively impacts our DACA and undocumented community.

    Every single UA student, faculty, and staff deserves and has the right to feel safe within our campus community. ASUA will work with the UA Administration as well as the entire campus community to take necessary steps to ensure all Wildcats feel safe and supported on campus. These steps include assessing changes to UA policy and procedures that better support our students.

    We want to thank every single student and campus member who has raised their voices for our incredible community of DACA and undocumented Wildcats.

    In solidarity,

    The border patrol still does things that are necessary and it's a valid career path despite this administration's horrible actions . This isn't ICE we're talking about.

    Comparing them to the KKK is ridiculous hyperbole and makes them look like left wing liberal lunatics to those in the middle and the right.

  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Ladai wrote: »
    Pretty much everyone saw this coming, but the House just fell short of overturning Trump's veto on ending his emergency wall declaration.
    The vote was 248-181, with 14 Republicans voting with Democrats to support the override. It was a steep hill to climb for opponents of Trump's national emergency as the House would have needed two-thirds of its members to back the veto override. Thirteen Republicans voted for the resolution in the first place.

    ...

    The House first passed the bill 245-182.

    ...

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said earlier this month that the National Emergency Act allows for a resolution of disapproval to come up every six months, and Democrats intend to bring it up again then.

    Link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/house-veto-vote-wall-emergency-resolution/index.html

    So does this mean it's happening? And our next president can decare a national emergency for whatever?

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    Pretty much everyone saw this coming, but the House just fell short of overturning Trump's veto on ending his emergency wall declaration.
    The vote was 248-181, with 14 Republicans voting with Democrats to support the override. It was a steep hill to climb for opponents of Trump's national emergency as the House would have needed two-thirds of its members to back the veto override. Thirteen Republicans voted for the resolution in the first place.

    ...

    The House first passed the bill 245-182.

    ...

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said earlier this month that the National Emergency Act allows for a resolution of disapproval to come up every six months, and Democrats intend to bring it up again then.

    Link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/house-veto-vote-wall-emergency-resolution/index.html

    So does this mean it's happening? And our next president can decare a national emergency for whatever?

    I'm sure it will be challenged in court

  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    This is most likely going to be settled in the courts. According to CNN, there are seven lawsuits that have been filed by various organizations (so far).

    You can review them here: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/national-emergency-declaration-lawsuit-tracker/index.html.

    Ladai on
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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    Pretty much everyone saw this coming, but the House just fell short of overturning Trump's veto on ending his emergency wall declaration.
    The vote was 248-181, with 14 Republicans voting with Democrats to support the override. It was a steep hill to climb for opponents of Trump's national emergency as the House would have needed two-thirds of its members to back the veto override. Thirteen Republicans voted for the resolution in the first place.

    ...

    The House first passed the bill 245-182.

    ...

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said earlier this month that the National Emergency Act allows for a resolution of disapproval to come up every six months, and Democrats intend to bring it up again then.

    Link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/house-veto-vote-wall-emergency-resolution/index.html

    So does this mean it's happening? And our next president can decare a national emergency for whatever?

    Nah, this is still going to the courts and I'm willing to bet they throw the law out because the Constitution is pretty fucking clear that appropriation is solely the authority of Congress and I doubt they'll be amiable to the idea of laws that prevent a future Congress from having that authority. I don't know if we'll have to wait for this to hit SCOTUS or not before it goes down in flames. The shitlords of the GOP have managed to get a bunch of hacks into the courts in the last year, so this might not go down in immediate fire. I'm willing to bet Roberts isn't fucking dumb enough to let this slide because a future democratic POTUS will just use this to push through something far far more popular, while also realizing that this sets the stage for letting Trump getting away with diminishing his own power (if the POTUS can fund things on a whim, why not declare laws constitutional on a whim, or at the very least take the requires funds of the courts for his pet projects). I think Thomas's brand of crazy and consistency probably puts him on the side that the National Emergency Act isn't a valid law.

    Also fucker is trying to take 1 billion for wall construction for military funds and the house just told him no. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-block-pentagon-move-to-transfer-dollar1-billion-for-trumps-border-wall/ar-BBVg9O8?ocid=spartanntp

  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Ladai wrote: »
    This is most likely going to be settled in the courts. According to CNN, there are seven lawsuits that have been filed by various organizations (so far).

    You can review them here: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/national-emergency-declaration-lawsuit-tracker/index.html.

    I see the California one is seeking an injunction, but do these lawsuits actually stop him from being able to start it while they're in the court system?

    Edit looks like this was answered

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  • BigJoeMBigJoeM Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    TL DR wrote: »
    More of this, please.

    U of A students harass, curse Border Patrol agents invited to speak on Career Day
    Denisse Moreno Melchor, a University of Arizona student, set off a firestorm Wednesday when she livestreamed her hysterical reaction to the presence of two Border Patrol agents who were invited to speak to a group of criminal justice majors.

    It was Career Day and the agents were invited by the university’s Criminal Justice Association. Moreno Melcher, of Glendale, was one of several students involved in a demonstration against the Border Patrol.

    Moreno Melchor, listed as a Spanish translation and interpretation major on her Facebook page, disrupted the agents and students while standing just outside the room in which they were meeting.

    “I don’t know who allowed the murder patrol,” said Moreno Melchor while filming the agents through the doorway. “They allow murderers to be on campus where I pay to be here. Murderers! On campus. Murderers! On campus.”

    She expressed her desire for the university to be free of anyone who might offend a student.

    “This is supposed to be a safe space for students but they allow an extension of the KKK into campus. An extension of the KKK into campus!” Moreno Melchor continued, “There are students that pay to be here, pay to be here, that need this to be a safe space for them and we have the KKK and their supporters right here at the U of A.”

    The Arizona Daily Independent really goes out of its way to badly-convey Melchor's position, referring to her response as 'hysterical' and reducing her stance to demanding not to be 'offended', not to mention devoting a ton of real estate to a statement by the aggrieved brownshirts, but it does include a statement by the Students' Union that is very good:
    Earlier this week U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) was present at a career fair host at the University of Arizona. Although we recognize their attendance was solely to recruit students to join their workforce, the presence of uniform to USBP agents on our campus, especially without warning was, is, and will always be immensely harmful to our DACA and undocumented community.

    As the Associated Students of the University of Arizona, we have an obligation and a responsibility to protect, support and speak out for all Wildcats, including our DACA and undocumented students. Simply put, unannounced visits by the U.S. Border Patrol are unacceptable. The same day USBP agents were present on campus, a Tucson family was arrested and detained by USBP only mere miles from the UA. The concerns students have of USBP presence on campus are real, they are valid, and they need to be heard.

    We want to stress the importance of notifying students, especially our DACA and undocumented students, in advance of visits by USBP. It is also necessary to understand the mere presence of USBP on campus creates an environment which negatively impacts our DACA and undocumented community.

    Every single UA student, faculty, and staff deserves and has the right to feel safe within our campus community. ASUA will work with the UA Administration as well as the entire campus community to take necessary steps to ensure all Wildcats feel safe and supported on campus. These steps include assessing changes to UA policy and procedures that better support our students.

    We want to thank every single student and campus member who has raised their voices for our incredible community of DACA and undocumented Wildcats.

    In solidarity,

    The border patrol still does things that are necessary and it's a valid career path despite this administration's horrible actions . This isn't ICE we're talking about.

    Comparing them to the KKK is ridiculous hyperbole and makes them look like left wing liberal lunatics to those in the middle and the right.

    We've got video of border patrol agents pouring out water in the desert and laughing about it.

    ICE and CBP are lightning rods for racists and whatever purpose they serve is not worth having those agencies continue to exist.

    Customs is salvageable, Border Patrol isn't.

  • MillMill Registered User regular
    IMO can probably replace a good chunk of border patrol with drone, which won't be fucking dbags that dump out water so that people die of dehydration. What personnel you do need, can then be better screened to run even more of the racist fuckers out. Just have a law that states known Nazis, Klansmen and members of other hate groups cannot serve in any sort of law enforcement capacity. They've already demonstrated that they can't apply the law fairly and will discriminate based on race and thus are already unfit for the job.

    Customs is salvageable, though I think some limits need to be put on some of the authority they exercise, given the instances of abuse we've seen. ICE needs to be nuked for orbit. I need to dig into INS's history, maybe bring that back because I don't recall that quite having the issues that ICE had.

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    TL DR wrote: »
    More of this, please.

    U of A students harass, curse Border Patrol agents invited to speak on Career Day
    Denisse Moreno Melchor, a University of Arizona student, set off a firestorm Wednesday when she livestreamed her hysterical reaction to the presence of two Border Patrol agents who were invited to speak to a group of criminal justice majors.

    It was Career Day and the agents were invited by the university’s Criminal Justice Association. Moreno Melcher, of Glendale, was one of several students involved in a demonstration against the Border Patrol.

    Moreno Melchor, listed as a Spanish translation and interpretation major on her Facebook page, disrupted the agents and students while standing just outside the room in which they were meeting.

    “I don’t know who allowed the murder patrol,” said Moreno Melchor while filming the agents through the doorway. “They allow murderers to be on campus where I pay to be here. Murderers! On campus. Murderers! On campus.”

    She expressed her desire for the university to be free of anyone who might offend a student.

    “This is supposed to be a safe space for students but they allow an extension of the KKK into campus. An extension of the KKK into campus!” Moreno Melchor continued, “There are students that pay to be here, pay to be here, that need this to be a safe space for them and we have the KKK and their supporters right here at the U of A.”

    The Arizona Daily Independent really goes out of its way to badly-convey Melchor's position, referring to her response as 'hysterical' and reducing her stance to demanding not to be 'offended', not to mention devoting a ton of real estate to a statement by the aggrieved brownshirts, but it does include a statement by the Students' Union that is very good:
    Earlier this week U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) was present at a career fair host at the University of Arizona. Although we recognize their attendance was solely to recruit students to join their workforce, the presence of uniform to USBP agents on our campus, especially without warning was, is, and will always be immensely harmful to our DACA and undocumented community.

    As the Associated Students of the University of Arizona, we have an obligation and a responsibility to protect, support and speak out for all Wildcats, including our DACA and undocumented students. Simply put, unannounced visits by the U.S. Border Patrol are unacceptable. The same day USBP agents were present on campus, a Tucson family was arrested and detained by USBP only mere miles from the UA. The concerns students have of USBP presence on campus are real, they are valid, and they need to be heard.

    We want to stress the importance of notifying students, especially our DACA and undocumented students, in advance of visits by USBP. It is also necessary to understand the mere presence of USBP on campus creates an environment which negatively impacts our DACA and undocumented community.

    Every single UA student, faculty, and staff deserves and has the right to feel safe within our campus community. ASUA will work with the UA Administration as well as the entire campus community to take necessary steps to ensure all Wildcats feel safe and supported on campus. These steps include assessing changes to UA policy and procedures that better support our students.

    We want to thank every single student and campus member who has raised their voices for our incredible community of DACA and undocumented Wildcats.

    In solidarity,

    The border patrol still does things that are necessary and it's a valid career path despite this administration's horrible actions . This isn't ICE we're talking about.

    Comparing them to the KKK is ridiculous hyperbole and makes them look like left wing liberal lunatics to those in the middle and the right.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say you shouldn't trust that transcript given the bias of the source.

    That said, we are talking about the organization that regularly destroys water left for people in the desert. Arrests people for speaking Spanish.

    And well things like this
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abuses/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine
    There, he slapped her twice on the buttocks and ordered her into a cell. He and another male agent told her to sign an “order of voluntary departure,” a deportation order. She refused.

    Then the threats began. One agent said, in Spanish, according to the complaint she filed later, “Right now, we close the door, we rape you and f*** you. If you cooperate with us, we can deport you to Mexico. Otherwise, we will take you to jail and deport your entire family.” They told her that her child would end up in foster care.

    Terrified and alone, Jahveel signed.

    Or this
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abuses/america-doesnt-need-more-border-patrol-agents
    Agents are also verbally abusive. Parents are“called filthy and stinky and ... mocked for crying,” according to Rep. Pramila Jayapal, who visited detained mothers. “One woman said ‘I want to be with my children’ and the Border Patrol agent said: ‘You will never see your children again. Families don’t exist here. You won’t have a family anymore.’”

    Or their union appearing in an endorsing an alt-right video with all the usual racist bullshit that implies.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    ICE is trying to use DHS documents to pass as "warrants" for arrests. One guy stood up to them in an arrest attempt and managed to get them to back off as seen in the video below. Additionally the video has a citation that ICE during the administration has been stalking immigrants who have court dates, arresting them when they leave the court.

  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Man, fuck those guys.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Man, fuck those guys.

    The maddening thing is, outside the immediate fate of those two undocumented people specifically, there will be no changes.

    ICE officers will continue to do this. These two wankers specifically will continue to do this. I can't imagine this was the first time they've tried this. No policy will change (for the better). And I would be concerned that if MacCormack wasn't clearly a white man, what those fucking goons might do.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Man, fuck those guys.

    The maddening thing is, outside the immediate fate of those two undocumented people specifically, there will be no changes.

    ICE officers will continue to do this. These two wankers specifically will continue to do this. I can't imagine this was the first time they've tried this. No policy will change (for the better). And I would be concerned that if MacCormack wasn't clearly a white man, what those fucking goons might do.

    It's not actually illegal for law enforcement officers to lie to people, depending on the circumstances. :rotate:

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    Man, fuck those guys.

    The maddening thing is, outside the immediate fate of those two undocumented people specifically, there will be no changes.

    ICE officers will continue to do this. These two wankers specifically will continue to do this. I can't imagine this was the first time they've tried this. No policy will change (for the better). And I would be concerned that if MacCormack wasn't clearly a white man, what those fucking goons might do.

    It's not actually illegal for law enforcement officers to lie to people, depending on the circumstances. :rotate:

    Lying about a warrant is not one of them. That's a fourth(?) amendment violation.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular


    Nick Miroff has new photos of the concentration camps being set up in your name

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular


    Nick Miroff has new photos of the concentration camps being set up in your name

    Should note he works for the Washington Post.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Oh yes thank you

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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Seriously that's a scene straight out of any dystopian horror show movie anyone's ever seen.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Seriously that's a scene straight out of any dystopian horror show movie anyone's ever seen.

    People are literally posting images from children of men in that twitter thread and the only notable difference is the skin color.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Seriously that's a scene straight out of any dystopian horror show movie anyone's ever seen.

    People are literally posting images from children of men in that twitter thread and the only notable difference is the skin color.

    I mean, Scarface is right there.

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    I mean that's also a real place and a real thing that happened in the 80s though.

    Regardless, it's pretty chilling to watch people use the same justifications for these acts that Nazis used for theirs in real time.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Seriously that's a scene straight out of any dystopian horror show movie anyone's ever seen.

    The whole "under the highway" thing is what really sells it. It's a concentration camp just, like, down the street.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    I mean that's also a real place and a real thing that happened in the 80s though.

    Regardless, it's pretty chilling to watch people use the same justifications for these acts that Nazis used for theirs in real time.

    For reference, the very-real-thing-that-actually-happened in Scarface was the Mariel Boatlift.

    The next time you find yourself in a conversation with someone whinging about a scary caravan of a thousand people, and how some might be criminals; consider bringing up the time we took in over 100,000 Cuban refugees, all at once, some of whom were definitely criminals, and everything turned out basically fine.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/fidel-castro-en/article117206643.html

  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Just heard trump on the TV claiming 8 caravans are heading to the us. Amazing how these things just pop up out if nowhere

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    "Fear! FEAR! Keep supporting me and the Border Gestapo! Only I can save you from the brown hordes coming to kill you, rape your women and take your Stuff!"

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    "Fear! FEAR! Keep supporting me and the Border Gestapo! Only I can save you from the brown hordes coming to kill you, rape your women and take your Stuff!"

    You would hope people would realize that after the first several caravans didn't do jack shit, either with a massive influx of people crossing over the border, or the border not being capable of containing the threat, that maybe it was overblown?

    You would hope. But I guess not.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    I just can't believe they're sticking with such a benign name. "Caravan." You'd think they would have come up with something scarier by now.

  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    I just can't believe they're sticking with such a benign name. "Caravan." You'd think they would have come up with something scarier by now.
    The term being used in right wing circles online is "Migrant Invasion Force". The word "Invasion" was used by Trump once as well.

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    "Fear! FEAR! Keep supporting me and the Border Gestapo! Only I can save you from the brown hordes coming to kill you, rape your women and take your Stuff!"

    You would hope people would realize that after the first several caravans didn't do jack shit, either with a massive influx of people crossing over the border, or the border not being capable of containing the threat, that maybe it was overblown?

    You would hope. But I guess not.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I just can't believe they're sticking with such a benign name. "Caravan." You'd think they would have come up with something scarier by now.

    I'm guessing that they're hoping that it suggests the Middle East.

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I just can't believe they're sticking with such a benign name. "Caravan." You'd think they would have come up with something scarier by now.

    I'm guessing that they're hoping that it suggests the Middle East.

    Kinda surprised that some dickhead hasn't tried to push "horde" as the primary designation.

    I mean, if you're going to go hard on the racial animosity, why not reduce them to pure barbarianism?

    That it's people in the most desperate straits deserving compassion, if not acceptance, is clearly not enough.

  • ErlkönigErlkönig Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I just can't believe they're sticking with such a benign name. "Caravan." You'd think they would have come up with something scarier by now.

    I'm guessing that they're hoping that it suggests the Middle East.

    Kinda surprised that some dickhead hasn't tried to push "horde" as the primary designation.

    I mean, if you're going to go hard on the racial animosity, why not reduce them to pure barbarianism?

    That it's people in the most desperate straits deserving compassion, if not acceptance, is clearly not enough.

    That still humanizes them. Three and a half years ago, there was a Last Week Tonight episode going over "Migrants and Refugees" where John Oliver covered David Cameron's statement of
    (David Cameron) recently referred to "...a swarm of people coming across the Mediterranean..."

    Let's roll invasion and dehumanizing people to the point of using language usually reserved to describe insects.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    TL DR wrote: »
    More of this, please.

    U of A students harass, curse Border Patrol agents invited to speak on Career Day
    Denisse Moreno Melchor, a University of Arizona student, set off a firestorm Wednesday when she livestreamed her hysterical reaction to the presence of two Border Patrol agents who were invited to speak to a group of criminal justice majors.

    It was Career Day and the agents were invited by the university’s Criminal Justice Association. Moreno Melcher, of Glendale, was one of several students involved in a demonstration against the Border Patrol.

    Moreno Melchor, listed as a Spanish translation and interpretation major on her Facebook page, disrupted the agents and students while standing just outside the room in which they were meeting.

    “I don’t know who allowed the murder patrol,” said Moreno Melchor while filming the agents through the doorway. “They allow murderers to be on campus where I pay to be here. Murderers! On campus. Murderers! On campus.”

    She expressed her desire for the university to be free of anyone who might offend a student.

    “This is supposed to be a safe space for students but they allow an extension of the KKK into campus. An extension of the KKK into campus!” Moreno Melchor continued, “There are students that pay to be here, pay to be here, that need this to be a safe space for them and we have the KKK and their supporters right here at the U of A.”

    The Arizona Daily Independent really goes out of its way to badly-convey Melchor's position, referring to her response as 'hysterical' and reducing her stance to demanding not to be 'offended', not to mention devoting a ton of real estate to a statement by the aggrieved brownshirts, but it does include a statement by the Students' Union that is very good:
    Earlier this week U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) was present at a career fair host at the University of Arizona. Although we recognize their attendance was solely to recruit students to join their workforce, the presence of uniform to USBP agents on our campus, especially without warning was, is, and will always be immensely harmful to our DACA and undocumented community.

    As the Associated Students of the University of Arizona, we have an obligation and a responsibility to protect, support and speak out for all Wildcats, including our DACA and undocumented students. Simply put, unannounced visits by the U.S. Border Patrol are unacceptable. The same day USBP agents were present on campus, a Tucson family was arrested and detained by USBP only mere miles from the UA. The concerns students have of USBP presence on campus are real, they are valid, and they need to be heard.

    We want to stress the importance of notifying students, especially our DACA and undocumented students, in advance of visits by USBP. It is also necessary to understand the mere presence of USBP on campus creates an environment which negatively impacts our DACA and undocumented community.

    Every single UA student, faculty, and staff deserves and has the right to feel safe within our campus community. ASUA will work with the UA Administration as well as the entire campus community to take necessary steps to ensure all Wildcats feel safe and supported on campus. These steps include assessing changes to UA policy and procedures that better support our students.

    We want to thank every single student and campus member who has raised their voices for our incredible community of DACA and undocumented Wildcats.

    In solidarity,

    The border patrol still does things that are necessary and it's a valid career path despite this administration's horrible actions . This isn't ICE we're talking about.

    Comparing them to the KKK is ridiculous hyperbole and makes them look like left wing liberal lunatics to those in the middle and the right.

    Hard disagree. Acting as though ICE's campaign of ethnic cleansing is just a matter of bad enforcement and that borders aren't inherently violent makes liberals/ the left appear inconsistent and useless.

    Arizona police are and are charging the student protestors with a class 1 misdemeanor, btw, reminding us that they aren't here for our protection.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-education/2019/04/01/protest-university-arizona-over-border-patrol-event-result-charges-for-2-students/3335688002/

  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Just heard Mercedes Schlapp, the White House Director of Strategic Communications, tell CNN that Congress needs to give the border patrol the ability to detain and remove asylum seekers, or as she put it "illegal immigrants using loopholes".

    Edit: And if they dont then Trump will have no choice but to close the border later this week.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Just heard Mercedes Schlapp, the White House Director of Strategic Communications, tell CNN that Congress needs to give the border patrol the ability to detain and remove asylum seekers, or as she put it "illegal immigrants using loopholes".

    Edit: And if they dont then Trump will have no choice but to close the border later this week.

    So we have open borders at the direction/behest/pleasure of the President? Why wait until now to close them? And if this is supposed to work...somehow...why build a wall? Why am I asking these questions and not news reporters?

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Close the borders? What will happen to my cheap, out-of-season strawberries?

    And other important issues of course.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    I have seen several sources point out that a closed border with Mexico would mean an end to a ton of what we think of as staple foods.

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