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[US Federal Congressional Elections 2018] Tester Wins, AZ/FL Too Close

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Enc wrote: »
    There are reports now that the digital voting machines at 7 Broward County locations completely failed to transmit data and their results are being manually delivered to Tallahassee via thumb drives.

    Broward county is a very dense, very blue area north of Miami (holding Ft. Lauderdale and a number of other cities).

    As I said, given the fuckery endemic to Florida...

    Though this may have been legit machine error. Still.

    Legit machine error still strikes me as fuckery/policy failure when you have goddamn paper and pens right there.

    moniker on
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    NV has two female Senators now

    Does any other state have that?

  • TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    So It Goes wrote: »
    NV has two female Senators now

    Does any other state have that?

    WA, and now MN off the top of my head. CA and NH too.

    Tynnan on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    NV has two female Senators now

    Does any other state have that?

    New Hampshire

    Before the last Governor was termed out they actually had a Woman in all statewide offices.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Tynnan wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    NV has two female Senators now

    Does any other state have that?

    WA, and now MN off the top of my head.

    California, New Hampshire (though one of them is a Republican).

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    I'm livid over Florida. I've seen North Florida and I know its a lost cause. But what the fuck was the rest doing...

    lkb6ic4j0l03.png

    All the population centers went for Gillum, all the rural areas went for DeSantis. Get lost with your judgemental crap.

    The south left side is where all the well meaning but long term / racist republican grandparents live.

    AKA "Alabama Beach"

    (Sorry Alabamans, love what you've done with 1/2 of your Senate delegation)

    OremLK on
    My zombie survival life simulator They Don't Sleep is out now on Steam if you want to check it out.
  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    moniker wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    There are reports now that the digital voting machines at 7 Broward County locations completely failed to transmit data and their results are being manually delivered to Tallahassee via thumb drives.

    Broward county is a very dense, very blue area north of Miami (holding Ft. Lauderdale and a number of other cities).

    As I said, given the fuckery endemic to Florida...

    Though this may have been legit machine error. Still.

    Legit machine error still strikes me as fuckery/policybfailure when you have goddamn paper and pens right there.

    Broward had a lot of problems getting mail in ballots out for the primaries too, but its also got more registered voters than eight states have people. It could simply be that they've got an average talent in their election supervisor when they need a very good one.

    Also it sounds like the fault was their data line to home base, the machines could well be scantrons.

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/11/07/broward-ballot-reporting-issues-causing-delay-in-florida-senate-race/

    ArbitraryDescriptor on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Tynnan wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    NV has two female Senators now

    Does any other state have that?

    WA, and now MN off the top of my head.

    California, New Hampshire (though one of them is a Republican).

    No, Ayotte lost to Hassan in 2016.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

  • PhasenPhasen Hell WorldRegistered User regular
    Florida why you gotta do this to me?

    psn: PhasenWeeple
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    I'm trying!

    I'm even making celebration tacos and guac tonight!

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I think a lot of people my age were a little ruined by the Obama win.

    We're never going to get that kind of high again. This is what winning in politics looks and feels like generally.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Collins is the only Republican Senator in New England. For the Mid-Atlantic there's Toomey and a question of if West Virginia is part of that region. But those are the only areas in the Northeast with Republican Senators.

  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    The big upside from this year's elections:

    So many folks are getting involved, at a young age, and we're building a bench we can keep pulling new candidates from.

    This year has been like a rebuilding year for sports team.

    Sleep on
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    The big upside from this year's elections:

    So many folks are getting involved, at a young age, and we're building a bench we can keep pulling new candidates from.

    This year has been like a rebuilding year for sports team.

    with a bonus House flip in a good economy!! And a BLUE DOT IN OKLAHOMA I'm still real excited about that

    and also Dave Brat losing to an awesome woman

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Also again dems won while the main belweather the economy is good, if that goes south things change pretty much over night.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    I'm trying!

    I'm even making celebration tacos and guac tonight!

    Okay good. I'm getting some rad Mexican for lunch. CHEESE AND BEANS is the best way to celebrate.

  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    The big upside from this year's elections:

    So many folks are getting involved, at a young age, and we're building a bench we can keep pulling new candidates from.

    This year has been like a rebuilding year for sports team.

    with a bonus House flip in a good economy!! And a BLUE DOT IN OKLAHOMA I'm still real excited about that

    and also Dave Brat losing to an awesome woman

    Horn's win in Oklahoma was what surprised me the most out of everything.

    My zombie survival life simulator They Don't Sleep is out now on Steam if you want to check it out.
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    The big upside from this year's elections:

    So many folks are getting involved, at a young age, and we're building a bench we can keep pulling new candidates from.

    This year has been like a rebuilding year for sports team.

    with a bonus House flip in a good economy!! And a BLUE DOT IN OKLAHOMA I'm still real excited about that

    and also Dave Brat losing to an awesome woman

    I am so incredibly happy Brat lost. Man is one of the top shitheads in the House.

    Also Coffman losing is a personal joy. I grew up in that district. It has been Republican since the 90's. And not just Republican Coffman's predecessor was a man named Tom Tancredo who was Trump level racist before Trump.

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  • ZomroZomro Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    good data viz here

    mostly posting because i like data viz

    about how much things swung in various house districts

    Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.

    ummm

    were you looking at a different graphic?

    that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10

    edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all

    Yeah, I'm not either.

    I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).

    I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.

    Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.

    exactly my feelings

    we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.

    I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting

    the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything

    think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.

    Overall, I do feel pretty good about the results. Taking the House is huge.

    That being said, I'm in FL and that's disappointment galore for me at the moment.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I think my marquee loss this election is Dana Rohrabacher - very possibly an actual Russian asset discarded from the House, it is a good thing for the country that he's no longer in office.

  • KnightKnight Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Once the house came back to earth and I knew we would still have Medicare in 2 years and we weren’t rubber stamping a proto-fascist government I felt a lot better about everything.

    The win by 6 points and not win the house nightmare had kept me up at night like, in actuality, for weeks, so I was primed for instant defeatedness. Gotta try to be better, 2016 ptsd is hard to overcome.

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I think my marquee loss this election is Dana Rohrabacher - very possibly an actual Russian asset discarded from the House, it is a good thing for the country that he's no longer in office.

    I'm made that Nunes is still around, but at least he should be kicked of the committee he was actively stonewalling.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    I think my marquee loss this election is Dana Rohrabacher - very possibly an actual Russian asset discarded from the House, it is a good thing for the country that he's no longer in office.

    I'm made that Nunes is still around, but at least he should be kicked of the committee he was actively stonewalling.

    Just having the Democratic chair expose all the fuckery going on behind the scenes in that committee is gonna be great.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Javen wrote: »
    I was mainly hoping for more pleasant upsets to set up momentum; keep people energized the way a win in 2016 was supposed to. That could still happen, but there's a lot of bad to go along with the good.

    Dems need to execute on their platform, though, at least to the degree that they can with control of the House. Eyes will be on them.

    Maybe the way this turned out can be a positive. We made very distinct, undeniable gains that give us actual power again. We changed the local maps in ways that can reinforce democratic ideals. We put ourselves in a much better position regarding the redistricting that will happen in 2020, which can help us with elections for the next decade. And the Senate is going to be a tough nut to crack, but it's still more obtainable in 2020 than it was ever going to be in 2018.

    Meanwhile, we saw strong evidence that Trump can energize his base with his shitty fear tactics and hateful rhetoric. We saw that we still have a lot of work to do. Things went well, but not so well as to make us complacent. What i'm seeing is a democratic party that is pleased with the gains it made, but still fired up about what needs to be done from here. We have ample reason to believe we CAN do this, but also reason to believe it won't happen unless we fight to MAKE it happen.

    We're in a better place, and we have a healthy mindset. Cool cool cool. Now let's fucking fix our country.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I think my marquee loss this election is Dana Rohrabacher - very possibly an actual Russian asset discarded from the House, it is a good thing for the country that he's no longer in office.

    I'd agree, but for local Federal I'm going to say Roskam getting the boot for raising my taxes.

    Also, that the Illinois Nazi got less than crazification. Though not as much less as I hoped.

  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    If Nunes is legitimately dirty, which I definitely wouldn't put past him after some of the other things we've learned, he could end up on the wrong end of an indictment before long.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
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    another somewhat painful thing to keep in mind imo... the trouble with trump's rhetoric is NOT that it doesn't work. it's that it does work (there are other problems with it of course). I'd love for more of the country to want to make a point in standing up to it but between people that are threatened so they tune out completely and people who are emboldened by a president who says what they've apparently been thinking, well it's not surprising to me that they are energized too. but we still did better than them overall and won enough that we can slow him down at the least.

    things went basically as expected so if this was a blue wave when looking at polls I'd say it was a blue wave in outcome. I know some exciting candidates lost but they were exciting because they had a chance in places we wouldn't have expected them to. they still did really well.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    I think my marquee loss this election is Dana Rohrabacher - very possibly an actual Russian asset discarded from the House, it is a good thing for the country that he's no longer in office.

    I'm made that Nunes is still around, but at least he should be kicked of the committee he was actively stonewalling.

    Just having the Democratic chair expose all the fuckery going on behind the scenes in that committee is gonna be great.

    It is going to probably be Schiff running that committee.

    Schiff has already watched all of it. I bet he has had a release the bs list waiting for this moment.

    The more I think about it the better I feel today.

    We have a more diverse, younger, and more female House being led by the Dems.

    Even if it goes no where it is a House that can pass:
    1)Clean pathway to citizenship for DACA folks
    2)Improvements to the ACA
    3)Do its job as an oversight body of the Executive branch
    4)Never build Trump's fucking wall
    5)Determine the budget for the next two years
    6)Pass laws focused on helping us mitigate some damage the slow rolling disaster that is climate change is causing
    7)Put a lot of progressive faces of all ages, races, religions, and gender on TV and in the News hopefully moving the narrative in this country

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I think my marquee loss this election is Dana Rohrabacher - very possibly an actual Russian asset discarded from the House, it is a good thing for the country that he's no longer in office.

    FINALLY getting Walker out is mine.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Can we change the title, please?

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Can we change the title, please?

    Better?

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Sorry, had to run to a meeting so this post was half-written from the earlier conversation.

    And also, I'm going to try to clamp down on some of my more pessimistic thoughts. Getting a little off-topic, so throwing in spoilers.
    I don't think I mentioned it in here, but I got a little bit of therapy recently. Not much, but I've basically come to the realization that I'm in a place where, when work stress gets too bad, the "background radiation" stress from this shit can put me over the top. Like....after Anthony Bourdain, my wife actually talked to me out of concern levels of stuff. And while it was never there, it also wasn't an unfounded concern.

    Another Internet community I go to has been...very nihilistic of late. I'm trying to take a break from there to try to free that, but I will have to also make an effort to not BRING that with me from there to other places.

    So basically what I'm trying to say is that if I get a little down or pessimistic or nihilistic, I'm sorry. I'm trying to work through some stuff right now.

  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Let me know if this is beyond the scope of this thread and should be elsewhere, but do we think it would be a good idea to impeach Trump even if the senate will never convict?

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    While a lot of the real fun looks like it will be at the state levels where things sound like they've gone amazingly, I'm really looking forward to the House committees being led by people whose main motivation is something other than protecting the President at all costs, rejecting the Earth being more than 6000 years old, or whathaveyou.

  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Trump gave a press conference earlier and made accusations of him being unhinged earlier in the Presidency seem quaint

    Pelosi is speaking now. I need her to not be willing to compromise with Republicans. They were elected to be a check, not to water down the white supremacy.

  • XaviarXaviar Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Let me know if this is beyond the scope of this thread and should be elsewhere, but do we think it would be a good idea to impeach Trump even if the senate will never convict?

    No, and from what I understand it isn't on Pelosi's agenda.

  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    KTAR 92.3 in AZ with around how many early votes that still need to be counted.

    An Arizona Secretary of State’s office spokesman said approximately 600,000 early ballots have to be counted before the winner of the #AZSen race is known.

    Given that it seems like in most states the GOP won the day of vote substantially more than early, that seems a good sign?

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