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[US Federal Congressional Elections 2018] Tester Wins, AZ/FL Too Close
Let me know if this is beyond the scope of this thread and should be elsewhere, but do we think it would be a good idea to impeach Trump even if the senate will never convict?
Not yet. (ED: Probably also off-topic for this thread.)
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Let me know if this is beyond the scope of this thread and should be elsewhere, but do we think it would be a good idea to impeach Trump even if the senate will never convict?
Liberal causes should get championed some - prescription drug reform and healthcare generally are subjects people are deeply concerned about.
Investigations should occur that are both thorough but subtle - we should avoid spectacle.
I know we need to keep the base engaged and we should be looking to expose bad deeds wherever they have been concealed. But if we impeach or even just make a lot of noise about impeachment the next election will become about nothing else.
We'd need evidence that is both easy to understand and clearly linked to the President. Evidence that is unassailable itself. We'd need something awful enough to actually get Republicans to convict for fear of losing their own seats over it
Anything else won't be worth it.
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pelosi knows how to handle unpopular presidents with skeletons in their closet who are currently sitting on good economies with perhaps rickety fundamentals. i'm not worried about it.
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
I'm livid over Florida. I've seen North Florida and I know its a lost cause. But what the fuck was the rest doing...
All the population centers went for Gillum, all the rural areas went for DeSantis. Get lost with your judgemental crap.
Enc I feel really bad for you that everyone hates your state and you're so valiantly trying to defend it.
It really does suck to be told repeatedly how much of a disappointment you are while also being called Florida Man, stupid for living here, a waste of development, the place that will soon be under water, and the Bugs Bunny meme cutting us off from the country.
Especially when half the population is extremely woke and egalitarian and mostly held back by systematic republican election shenanigans going back to the reconstruction and everyone sending their elderly to retire on our coastlines and jack up GOP oppression votes.
Don't get me wrong, there are a shit ton of racists here. We have ten thousand goddamn problems in politics and society. Hell, the majority of the state's environment is actively trying to kill all humans at every possible moment. But there are a lot of good people that live here and it gets real exhausting how differently and worse we are viewed in common media compared to even the coastal/flyover state rivalry garbage.
Enc on
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
I live in a state (NC) where the GOP likes to test out all the fuckmuppetry before pushing it out nationwide (jerrymandering, intimidation, depriving minorities a proper education or polling places for lower class voters). That we got Democratic wins in the 1st Congressional District, N.C. Senate Districts 5 & 8, the N.C. Supreme Court and multiple seats on the Court of Appeals, 4 separate Board of Commissioners, the Pitt County District Attorney, Clerk of Court and Sheriff leaves me cautiously hopeful. That many of these went to minorities and the Sheriff, which is usually a good ole white boy, went to an African American woman makes me think something noticeable shifted. This is all with the current voting map that still disenfranchises the minority vote because the current district map is still tied up in the courts.
An Arizona Secretary of State’s office spokesman said approximately 600,000 early ballots have to be counted before the winner of the #AZSen race is known.
Given that it seems like in most states the GOP won the day of vote substantially more than early, that seems a good sign?
Yeah if she was just behind by 9,000 votes I don't see how she doesn't pull ahead after these are counted.
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
I'm livid over Florida. I've seen North Florida and I know its a lost cause. But what the fuck was the rest doing...
All the population centers went for Gillum, all the rural areas went for DeSantis. Get lost with your judgemental crap.
Enc I feel really bad for you that everyone hates your state and you're so valiantly trying to defend it.
It really does suck to be told repeatedly how much of a disappointment you are while also being called Florida Man, stupid for living here, a waste of development, the place that will soon be under water, and the Bugs Bunny meme cutting us off from the country.
Especially when half the population is extremely woke and egalitarian and mostly held back by systematic republican election shenanigans going back to the reformation and everyone sending their elderly to retire on our coastlines and jack up GOP oppression votes.
Damn ... y'all been fucked for a long-ass time ...
I'm livid over Florida. I've seen North Florida and I know its a lost cause. But what the fuck was the rest doing...
All the population centers went for Gillum, all the rural areas went for DeSantis. Get lost with your judgemental crap.
Enc I feel really bad for you that everyone hates your state and you're so valiantly trying to defend it.
It really does suck to be told repeatedly how much of a disappointment you are while also being called Florida Man, stupid for living here, a waste of development, the place that will soon be under water, and the Bugs Bunny meme cutting us off from the country.
Especially when half the population is extremely woke and egalitarian and mostly held back by systematic republican election shenanigans going back to the reformation and everyone sending their elderly to retire on our coastlines and jack up GOP oppression votes.
Damn ... y'all been fucked for a long-ass time ...
MO, ND, IN Senate D loss
NV D pickup
AZ too close to call potential D pickup
FL maybe too close to call potential D loss
So that'd mean its between -1D to 51R-49D to 53R-47D? Or am I off one?
Yeah you're off by one
it's 51-46 right now (after ND-D call); MS is almost certainly going R in the runoff, so I'd say it's between 52-46 (R+1 gain) to 54-46 (R+3 gain), with the latter most likely (FL looks R unless something bizarre happens, and AZ is closer but still probably R)
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
I'm livid over Florida. I've seen North Florida and I know its a lost cause. But what the fuck was the rest doing...
All the population centers went for Gillum, all the rural areas went for DeSantis. Get lost with your judgemental crap.
Enc I feel really bad for you that everyone hates your state and you're so valiantly trying to defend it.
It really does suck to be told repeatedly how much of a disappointment you are while also being called Florida Man, stupid for living here, a waste of development, the place that will soon be under water, and the Bugs Bunny meme cutting us off from the country.
Especially when half the population is extremely woke and egalitarian and mostly held back by systematic republican election shenanigans going back to the reformation and everyone sending their elderly to retire on our coastlines and jack up GOP oppression votes.
Damn ... y'all been fucked for a long-ass time ...
I'm very tired.
If it makes you feel any better, Jason Mendoza is my favorite character on The Good Place.
He/Him | "We who believe in freedom cannot rest." - Dr. Johnetta Cole, 7/22/2024
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Public statements from politicians that anyone less than the literal President are utterly meaningless to anyone besides the base and the political media.
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Let me know if this is beyond the scope of this thread and should be elsewhere, but do we think it would be a good idea to impeach Trump even if the senate will never convict?
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
This is killing me how close ME-2 is. As near as I can tell it's still within like 400-500 votes, and neither candidate has a majority so it'll go to the ranked choice system to settle it out based on who the independent votes picked as their 2nd choice.
I want Poliquin to lose so badly. But an incumbent hasn't lost re-election in this district in over 100 years...
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
So is Pelosi!
Her job is to tell the GOP to go to hell in such a manner that they look forward to the trip.
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
She will get called shrill and a bitch and all kinds of other shit and that's why she's the fucking Bat(wo)man. She's the hero democrats deserve. She can take the slings and arrows because she's already so reviled by the opposition.
She'll get shit done. Nancy Pelosi is great and with a democratic house she should inspire terror in her opposition and I can't wait to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
I'd put her under Rayburn, but over both of them. Regardless, she has the gavel (and mace) now and she knows how to weild it.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
"Best" or "effective" I suppose is the question... Gingrich would get no prizes for overall behaviour and his complicity in causing government shutdowns, destruction of norms etc are broadly regarded as extremely corrosive and Not Good by most political scientists
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
So is Pelosi!
I'll need to see evidence of that. Senate Minority Leader keeps making "deals" with McConnell, who never fails to renege on it immediately after the period ends the sentence.
If I'm not mistaken Pelosi could and would have passed single payer (although I could be thinking public option) back during the Obamacare debate but the hard pass on the Senate kept it off the docket.
She's like the anti Paul Ryan, the goal should be to give her as many liberal senators to work with as possible the next two cycles.
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People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
"Best" or "effective" I suppose is the question... Gingrich would get no prizes for overall behaviour and his complicity in causing government shutdowns, destruction of norms etc are broadly regarded as extremely corrosive and Not Good by most political scientists
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
"Best" or "effective" I suppose is the question... Gingrich would get no prizes for overall behaviour and his complicity in causing government shutdowns, destruction of norms etc are broadly regarded as extremely corrosive and Not Good by most political scientists
Plus, there's that he was a child rapist
That was Hastert.
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JakarrdIn the belly ofOklahomaRegistered Userregular
about how much things swung in various house districts
Quoting this again because it really is a great visualization of how much of an impact the "blue wave" actually had. Just looking at who won and who flipped one or another doesn't really tell the whole story. There's a lot to be optimistic about here.
ummm
were you looking at a different graphic?
that one shows a bunch of districts moved left, but the majority of the ones that did move left remained right. It ended by stating that this wave was much smaller than the ones in 06 and 10
edit: I'm super happy we have the house, but I'm not exactly on the blue wave bandwagon at all
Yeah, I'm not either.
I feel like the blue wave happened, to a certain degree - turnout WAS up, there WAS movement towards Democrats. But the wave ran into the red wall. Rural turnout was ALSO way up, with the intention of specifically mitigating any such wave. In a lot of places it wasn't enough, and the wall sprang some leaks. In others, it WAS enough, and stopped it cold. In still others, it asserted its dominance and we lost Senate seats. (Which, as a sidenote, is something that was on my mind for the last month or so - would the "wave" have happened without people talking about it and amping one another up? But at the same time, did the talking about it galvanize conservative voters who might typically have sat out a midterm when they were in control? Too many variables to know one way or another).
I'm neutral-to-happy on how the House turned out, disappointed on the Senate (which could shift back to neutral-ish if we manage to get either of AZ or FL). As I sit and mull it over, though, it's the non-headline stuff which is making me happiest: the number of governorships picked up. The number of state legislatures. Re-enfranchisement. Medicaid expansion. I am coming out of this election feeling that the country is in a better place than it was before, Senate non-withstanding.
Or to put it in another perspective with the state legislature thing - I had a legitimate fear following 2016 that the outcome of the 2018 election could set the stage for a fucking Constitutional Convention which the Republicans would have a supermajority over in terms of state legislatures. That's not happening now. Thank. Fucking. God.
exactly my feelings
we're in a better place than yesterday for now. but the blue wave will need to turn into a hurricane to make any meaningful changes in the near future.
I'm feeling happy and positive today and I guess I find the "well actually" and "we have a long way to go and we still might lose" to be exhausting
the instant (who am I kidding, many of us were PRE defeated last night) defeated mindset no matter what just doesn't help anything
think about how many people got into politics for the first time, volunteered for the first time, knocked doors for the first time, to make that electorate shift happen! it's a good thing. it's a positive result that we can build on going forward.
The big upside from this year's elections:
So many folks are getting involved, at a young age, and we're building a bench we can keep pulling new candidates from.
This year has been like a rebuilding year for sports team.
with a bonus House flip in a good economy!! And a BLUE DOT IN OKLAHOMA I'm still real excited about that
and also Dave Brat losing to an awesome woman
I was SOOOOO happy that OK5 went that route. Going into the day it was the smallest of the districts for flipping. OK1 was close at like +20 something so I was hoping something there would flip but it was not to be. OK3,4,5 are heavily rural so they were like +50 plus and no way they were going to flip. So I'm happy there was change!
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Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
So is Pelosi!
I'll need to see evidence of that. Senate Majority Minority Leader keeps making "deals" with McConnell, who never fails to renege on it immediately after the period ends the sentence.
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Liberal causes should get championed some - prescription drug reform and healthcare generally are subjects people are deeply concerned about.
Investigations should occur that are both thorough but subtle - we should avoid spectacle.
I know we need to keep the base engaged and we should be looking to expose bad deeds wherever they have been concealed. But if we impeach or even just make a lot of noise about impeachment the next election will become about nothing else.
We'd need evidence that is both easy to understand and clearly linked to the President. Evidence that is unassailable itself. We'd need something awful enough to actually get Republicans to convict for fear of losing their own seats over it
Anything else won't be worth it.
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Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
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It really does suck to be told repeatedly how much of a disappointment you are while also being called Florida Man, stupid for living here, a waste of development, the place that will soon be under water, and the Bugs Bunny meme cutting us off from the country.
Especially when half the population is extremely woke and egalitarian and mostly held back by systematic republican election shenanigans going back to the reconstruction and everyone sending their elderly to retire on our coastlines and jack up GOP oppression votes.
Don't get me wrong, there are a shit ton of racists here. We have ten thousand goddamn problems in politics and society. Hell, the majority of the state's environment is actively trying to kill all humans at every possible moment. But there are a lot of good people that live here and it gets real exhausting how differently and worse we are viewed in common media compared to even the coastal/flyover state rivalry garbage.
Exactly.
MO, ND, IN Senate D loss
NV D pickup
AZ too close to call potential D pickup
FL maybe too close to call potential D loss
So that'd mean its between -1D to 51R-49D to 53R-47D? Or am I off one?
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Yeah if she was just behind by 9,000 votes I don't see how she doesn't pull ahead after these are counted.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Damn ... y'all been fucked for a long-ass time ...
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Yeah you're off by one
it's 51-46 right now (after ND-D call); MS is almost certainly going R in the runoff, so I'd say it's between 52-46 (R+1 gain) to 54-46 (R+3 gain), with the latter most likely (FL looks R unless something bizarre happens, and AZ is closer but still probably R)
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Depending on the outcomes in AZ and FL it will be either 54-46R or 52-48R in the next Congress. I doubt we'll win the MS runoff.
So a total of between -1 to -3 for the Dems. Which, for this map, is still damn good.
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Public statements from politicians that anyone less than the literal President are utterly meaningless to anyone besides the base and the political media.
generally you leave the bomb throwing to high ranking reps and chair holders from safe districts who are free to talk shit all day.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
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Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
I want Poliquin to lose so badly. But an incumbent hasn't lost re-election in this district in over 100 years...
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
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So is Pelosi!
Her job is to tell the GOP to go to hell in such a manner that they look forward to the trip.
She will get called shrill and a bitch and all kinds of other shit and that's why she's the fucking Bat(wo)man. She's the hero democrats deserve. She can take the slings and arrows because she's already so reviled by the opposition.
She'll get shit done. Nancy Pelosi is great and with a democratic house she should inspire terror in her opposition and I can't wait to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I'd put her under Rayburn, but over both of them. Regardless, she has the gavel (and mace) now and she knows how to weild it.
"Best" or "effective" I suppose is the question... Gingrich would get no prizes for overall behaviour and his complicity in causing government shutdowns, destruction of norms etc are broadly regarded as extremely corrosive and Not Good by most political scientists
I'll need to see evidence of that. Senate Minority Leader keeps making "deals" with McConnell, who never fails to renege on it immediately after the period ends the sentence.
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She's like the anti Paul Ryan, the goal should be to give her as many liberal senators to work with as possible the next two cycles.
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Plus, there's that he was a child rapist
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That was Hastert.
I was SOOOOO happy that OK5 went that route. Going into the day it was the smallest of the districts for flipping. OK1 was close at like +20 something so I was hoping something there would flip but it was not to be. OK3,4,5 are heavily rural so they were like +50 plus and no way they were going to flip. So I'm happy there was change!
It's an important distinction.
And Democrats SHOULDNT believe it because she totally has her fingers crossed behind her back.
So, yeah. Sounds like a very effective speech.